Be Honest: Celtics make the playoffs - Good or Bad Thing?

[jpotter33]

Because the C' s have been doing well of late I see it seems okay to change the language from tanking or not tanking to Celtics in playoffs, good thing or bad thing??? how white of you!!!

for the record here's the difference between tanking and not tanking....tanking takes no brains, no skills, no energy, just go out there, play sloppy basketball, and lose.  for this you are rewarded with the possibility of gaining nothing at all.
 on the other hand not tanking makes men out of boys because it makes you learn how to play hard when all the odds are against you it makes winning one game the best feeling in your life. a feeling you will find out you cannot do without. if, by giving it your best, you make the playoffs, you will learn even more important things by players; that do it the best!!!

tanking is all about the luck of the draw, it's a gamble that doesn't even favor you and teaches you nothing but bad work habits.  but putting in the work and winning is a whole different ball game that teaches you how to be a man.

[Snakehead]

I don't think Ainge ever really wanted to bottom out.  He just wanted assets, including young players of which we have multiple promising ones.  The addition of Thomas was all about, yes liking him, and also value on his contract.  I think Ainge is willing to win if he likes the assets he has.  I think it will help the players and I think the results from Stevens are a great thing.  The reward for such a coach should not be making his roster worse on purpose.

His fate is also not tied to a single draft pick AND we have cap room, which the franchise has basically never had the likes of.

LOL he tried. He just doesn't have it in him to drop assets for nothing. He had no choice but to give up what he did for IT, that was a no-brainer deal. DA is human, he will make mistakes but he likes to come out of deals like any good GM, feeling like he won the trade. He wasn't just going to give a guy like Bass away just because he could. Nope, DA lost the battle against himself.

I agree with all of this.  I think Ainge would be be fine with having the worst record in the league right now as long as he thought he won all of his trades.

It comes down to a lot more than trades.  We have multiple strong young players we drafted.

Point is Ainge doesn't mine being good.  He wants as many assets as possible more than a high draft pick.

[Nerf DPOY]

Because the C' s have been doing well of late I see it seems okay to change the language from tanking or not tanking to Celtics in playoffs, good thing or bad thing??? how white of you!!!

for the record here's the difference between tanking and not tanking....tanking takes no brains, no skills, no energy, just go out there, play sloppy basketball, and lose.  for this you are rewarded with the possibility of gaining nothing at all.
 on the other hand not tanking makes men out of boys because it makes you learn how to play hard when all the odds are against you it makes winning one game the best feeling in your life. a feeling you will find out you cannot do without. if, by giving it your best, you make the playoffs, you will learn even more important things by players; that do it the best!!!

tanking is all about the luck of the draw, it's a gamble that doesn't even favor you and teaches you nothing but bad work habits.  but putting in the work and winning is a whole different ball game that teaches you how to be a man.

I think this is what he meant.

Per Urban Dictionary:

mighty white of you
Used to describe someone who thinks they've done a great deed, charitable action or sacrifice, but in reality they've done very little to help the human condition.
Earl: I gave that homeless man my half eaten apple.
Roger: Wow, thats mighty white of you.

[jpotter33]

Because the C' s have been doing well of late I see it seems okay to change the language from tanking or not tanking to Celtics in playoffs, good thing or bad thing??? how white of you!!!

for the record here's the difference between tanking and not tanking....tanking takes no brains, no skills, no energy, just go out there, play sloppy basketball, and lose.  for this you are rewarded with the possibility of gaining nothing at all.
 on the other hand not tanking makes men out of boys because it makes you learn how to play hard when all the odds are against you it makes winning one game the best feeling in your life. a feeling you will find out you cannot do without. if, by giving it your best, you make the playoffs, you will learn even more important things by players; that do it the best!!!

tanking is all about the luck of the draw, it's a gamble that doesn't even favor you and teaches you nothing but bad work habits.  but putting in the work and winning is a whole different ball game that teaches you how to be a man.

I think this is what he meant.

Per Urban Dictionary:

mighty white of you
Used to describe someone who thinks they've done a great deed, charitable action or sacrifice, but in reality they've done very little to help the human condition.
Earl: I gave that homeless man my half eaten apple.
Roger: Wow, thats mighty white of you.

Yeah, but it's been traditionally used in a racist way, though it technically didn't originate as a racist notion.

Still, probably a saying that shouldn't be used in modern-day language lol

[flybono]

Can anyone explain why GWALLACE does not play a single minute?

[JHTruth]

I don't think Ainge ever really wanted to bottom out.  He just wanted assets, including young players of which we have multiple promising ones.  The addition of Thomas was all about, yes liking him, and also value on his contract.  I think Ainge is willing to win if he likes the assets he has.  I think it will help the players and I think the results from Stevens are a great thing.  The reward for such a coach should not be making his roster worse on purpose.

His fate is also not tied to a single draft pick AND we have cap room, which the franchise has basically never had the likes of.

LOL he tried. He just doesn't have it in him to drop assets for nothing. He had no choice but to give up what he did for IT, that was a no-brainer deal. DA is human, he will make mistakes but he likes to come out of deals like any good GM, feeling like he won the trade. He wasn't just going to give a guy like Bass away just because he could. Nope, DA lost the battle against himself.

I don't know ainge could not have expected us to bottom out. Our best player is Kelly freaking olynyk at this point. Ainge has tanked before, he will again. Guy just wants pieces for his next huge trade that builds the title team. He couldn't care less about any of these guys on the roster..

[Eja117]

I think we just saw that if Bron was on the Sixers it wouldn't make a difference. Tanking...it almost never works

[Eric M VAN]

I think we just saw that if Bron was on the Sixers it wouldn't make a difference. Tanking...it almost never works

The tanking conversation......

It hasn't worked because the draft and player evaluation is/has and will probably always be an inexact science.

It makes perfect sense from the perspective that

1) There are X amount of players to be drafted
2) Some subset of X will be more successful than others
3) Given that , it's better to have a shot at picking from All of X than X-3 or 5 or 10 or 13 or 29
a team should attempt to gain the highest possible chance of choosing from all of X

Does it work? No, but not because the logic isn't sound but because player evaluation isn't sound.

This is why IMHO The Ainge method IS sound because it has parallel roads to improve the team with lots of different on and off ramps.

[moiso]

I don't think Ainge ever really wanted to bottom out.  He just wanted assets, including young players of which we have multiple promising ones.  The addition of Thomas was all about, yes liking him, and also value on his contract.  I think Ainge is willing to win if he likes the assets he has.  I think it will help the players and I think the results from Stevens are a great thing.  The reward for such a coach should not be making his roster worse on purpose.

His fate is also not tied to a single draft pick AND we have cap room, which the franchise has basically never had the likes of.

LOL he tried. He just doesn't have it in him to drop assets for nothing. He had no choice but to give up what he did for IT, that was a no-brainer deal. DA is human, he will make mistakes but he likes to come out of deals like any good GM, feeling like he won the trade. He wasn't just going to give a guy like Bass away just because he could. Nope, DA lost the battle against himself.

I agree with all of this.  I think Ainge would be be fine with having the worst record in the league right now as long as he thought he won all of his trades.

It comes down to a lot more than trades.  We have multiple strong young players we drafted.

Point is Ainge doesn't mine being good.  He wants as many assets as possible more than a high draft pick.

I'm sure he would prefer to have his cake and eat it too. 

[freshinthehouse]

I'm gonna let our friends in King Tough speak for me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eghg8092l_E

[cman88]

I will pose a question. who do you feel is closer to contending? the 76ers or Celtics? it seems a lot of fans seem to think the "tank like the 76ers" is the only way to go...

but if I had to put a number on it, I would like where the Celtics are right now rather than the 76ers

[wdleehi]

I will pose a question. who do you feel is closer to contending? the 76ers or Celtics? it seems a lot of fans seem to think the "tank like the 76ers" is the only way to go...

but if I had to put a number on it, I would like where the Celtics are right now rather than the 76ers

The 76ers are in a better position to add that star (or multitude of stars) then the Celtics are but the Celtics are playing in a manner that is keeping young talent from developing bad habits. 



Celtics really need that young star who wants to go to Boston that can then draw other good players to Boston. 

[Snakehead]

I don't think Ainge ever really wanted to bottom out.  He just wanted assets, including young players of which we have multiple promising ones.  The addition of Thomas was all about, yes liking him, and also value on his contract.  I think Ainge is willing to win if he likes the assets he has.  I think it will help the players and I think the results from Stevens are a great thing.  The reward for such a coach should not be making his roster worse on purpose.

His fate is also not tied to a single draft pick AND we have cap room, which the franchise has basically never had the likes of.

LOL he tried. He just doesn't have it in him to drop assets for nothing. He had no choice but to give up what he did for IT, that was a no-brainer deal. DA is human, he will make mistakes but he likes to come out of deals like any good GM, feeling like he won the trade. He wasn't just going to give a guy like Bass away just because he could. Nope, DA lost the battle against himself.

I agree with all of this.  I think Ainge would be be fine with having the worst record in the league right now as long as he thought he won all of his trades.

It comes down to a lot more than trades.  We have multiple strong young players we drafted.

Point is Ainge doesn't mine being good.  He wants as many assets as possible more than a high draft pick.

I'm sure he would prefer to have his cake and eat it too.

Trust me, I'm sure he'd love a shot at one of the promising young bigs at the top of the draft but in the long run I think it doesn't matter.  He's just getting assets until the team is a contender and he doesn't worry so much about any one pick.

[nickagneta]

I think we just saw that if Bron was on the Sixers it wouldn't make a difference. Tanking...it almost never works

The tanking conversation......

It hasn't worked because the draft and player evaluation is/has and will probably always be an inexact science.

It makes perfect sense from the perspective that

1) There are X amount of players to be drafted
2) Some subset of X will be more successful than others
3) Given that , it's better to have a shot at picking from All of X than X-3 or 5 or 10 or 13 or 29
a team should attempt to gain the highest possible chance of choosing from all of X

Does it work? No, but not because the logic isn't sound but because player evaluation isn't sound.

This is why IMHO The Ainge method IS sound because it has parallel roads to improve the team with lots of different on and off ramps.

TP for the math analogy

[tazzmaniac]

 

I think we just saw that if Bron was on the Sixers it wouldn't make a difference. Tanking...it almost never works

The tanking conversation......

It hasn't worked because the draft and player evaluation is/has and will probably always be an inexact science.

It makes perfect sense from the perspective that

1) There are X amount of players to be drafted
2) Some subset of X will be more successful than others
3) Given that , it's better to have a shot at picking from All of X than X-3 or 5 or 10 or 13 or 29
a team should attempt to gain the highest possible chance of choosing from all of X

Does it work? No, but not because the logic isn't sound but because player evaluation isn't sound.

This is why IMHO The Ainge method IS sound because it has parallel roads to improve the team with lots of different on and off ramps.

The draft is an inexact science but so are trades and free agency.  The good thing about the draft is you are not investing that much money.  Drafting higher doesn't guarantee that you'll get a good player but the chances of successfully doing so are much higher.  The Sixers are tanking multiple years and acquiring additional 1st rounders to maximize their chances.  They are not counting on a single draft pick or a single draft to produce a home run. 

What road to improve the team does Ainge have that Hinkie doesn't have?  The Sixers have better cap space.  So much so that they were able to take on JaVale McGee's to pick up another 1st round pick and they still could sign a couple MAX free agents.  The Sixers draft picks are plentiful and better quality unless the Nets picks turn out to be really good.  The potential of the Sixers young talent is better albeit primarily because of Embiid who has a significant injury concern.  I don't see free agents clamoring to join the Celtics or Sixers so I'd call free agency a wash.  If a star (e.g. Cousins) becomes available via trade, I don't see how we'd have the assets to outbid the Sixers.