Anyone else cringe watching Olynk play D?

[GratefulCs]

For as long as there are naive idiots that believe in Olynyk's potential or see him as a net positive player - trade him, for anything

Oh, so i'm naive AND i'm an idiot!? How dare you sir? 



Why is it that if a player isn't going to turn into a star, he sucks?


And you don't see him as a net positive player? He's LITERALLY. A net positive player. Good +\- and the team plays well with him out there. (I know, i know, plus minus doesn't mean jack)


Do people really not see how well the ball moves when he's in? I feel like i'm taking crazy pills.

[thirstyboots18]

Too often, yes.

[KeepRondo]

Why has Olynyk become the designated whipping boy of this team? 

Mike

Because Rondo got traded and Sullinger got injured.

You know I hate relying on stats but I'm curious what the numbers show since Sullinger went down. Are we better on D without him?

Also, you know by my screen name that I'm a huge Rondo fan but I can still say his game has fallen apart this year. Reason I'm saying this is you have to be the biggest Sullinger fan on here and you throughout the season tried to convince people that he played good defense. With Sully now admitting he was out of shape and coasting at times, can you at least admit that you might had been wrong? Forget whatever stats you were using before but the eye test showed a guy who was slow when rotating and slow when cutting off the lane. He also seemed out of position a number of times or lacked the effort to slide over when he should have.

I don't think I ever defended Sullinger's weight. I've always been supportive of the idea that a lighter Sully is a better one. My quip was consistently that Sullinger's weight has not prevented him from becoming a legitimate NBA player. His room for improvement is not reason enough to call him a bad player. By that logic (extreme example), Andrew Wiggins is bad because he can be so much better.

I certainly think Sullinger was lazy at times on both ends of the floor, probably more than I would've thought about a month back. I think he got fed up with the losing and quit quicker than he should have. Losing leads to lackadaisical play and bad habits. Sullinger gave into this so quickly that it's probably a cause for concern. However, I think people purposely confuse off-season/off-court laziness (coming into camp out of shape) with in-season/on-court laziness to further their agenda. I don't think Sullinger is the type to never give his all on the floor. When the team started to turn around following the departures of Green and Rondo, I noticed Sullinger playing a lot harder on both ends. People who dislike Sullinger like to forget that he was a part of the turnaround in the beginning, but he certainly was contributing in a lot of those wins before his injury. That is the good news, that he responds to a winning culture.

Ultimately I'll concede that I was wrong about Sullinger's maturity, but I still don't think I'm wrong about his game. And I definitely don't remember ever saying something as ridiculous as suggesting he didn't need to lose weight.

We both agree that Sullinger has a very nice offensive game. I think if he gets into better shape, that he could potentially make an all star game. But the point I'm making is, you consistently said Sully was a good defender. We went back and forth on this on a number of threads. I'm just curious if the stats show us doing better or worse since Sully's injury.

[DarkAzcura]

For as long as there are naive idiots that believe in Olynyk's potential or see him as a net positive player - trade him, for anything

Oh, so i'm naive AND i'm an idiot!? How dare you sir? 



Why is it that if a player isn't going to turn into a star, he sucks?


And you don't see him as a net positive player? He's LITERALLY. A net positive player. Good +\- and the team plays well with him out there. (I know, i know, plus minus doesn't mean jack)


Do people really not see how well the ball moves when he's in? I feel like i'm taking crazy pills.

Don't worry you aren't taking crazy pills. This is a plus for Sully also. The passing and ball movement that Sully and Oly bring from the perimeter is invaluable (relative to the current talent level of the roster). They are the only frontcourt players on this team that can help set this offense up consistently, and that is very invaluable trait in an offensive system set up to have every player be a playmaker. It goes unnoticed with Olynyk, and it drives me crazy. His off ball movement is very good too.

[Celtics4ever]

Don't worry you aren't taking crazy pills. This is a plus for Sully also. The passing and ball movement that Sully and Oly bring from the perimeter is invaluable (relative to the current talent level of the roster). They are the only frontcourt players on this team that can help set this offense up consistently, and that is very invaluable trait in an offensive system set up to have every player be a playmaker. It goes unnoticed with Olynyk, and it drives me crazy. His off ball movement is very good too.

They both are decent offensive players who are always a threat to get blocked because they lack athletic ability.   I too, think they are good passer.   But the above statement is false, Datome and Jerebko can both both pass.  Neither is as good as KO or JS at passing but I have seen them set guys up to score nicely.  Zeller has almost as many APG as KO  it is like 1.8 to 1.3.

All the good though is taken away on the defensive end, which is half of the game though.   KO and JS are slow of foot and they both make me cringe on defense.  KO at least tries and makes more effort and I have seen some changes in his physique in a good way.

[kraidstar]

a lot of pessimism here for just a second-year player coming off an injury.
and i actually think KO's D has improved since coming back from the injury. his post defense is solid, though he struggles in the quick help situations. he's improved, he still needs to be a little more decisive there.

on offense he moves the ball very well, his quick decision-making and precision with the pass make for more efficient possessions. he needs more consistency hitting his outside shot, and i think he's capable of that; he also needs to drive to the rim more, he collapses the defense very well, and can make the pass to the open man.

it's still way too early in his career to make any definitive judgments on what he'll end up being. KO obviously has some physical limitations, but i do think a lot of his problems are mental (like AB early in his career), i don't see the focus from him that he needs to take the next step. hopefully that comes with age and playing time.

[gpap]

Guess some of us need a magnifying glass to see the "great" things that Olynyk does on the floor.

Because from what I see, he's turnover prone, always falls down, misses shots, and looks lost on the floor.

Is it possible the Olynyk fans just think he has pretty hair?

[clover]

Don't worry you aren't taking crazy pills. This is a plus for Sully also. The passing and ball movement that Sully and Oly bring from the perimeter is invaluable (relative to the current talent level of the roster). They are the only frontcourt players on this team that can help set this offense up consistently, and that is very invaluable trait in an offensive system set up to have every player be a playmaker. It goes unnoticed with Olynyk, and it drives me crazy. His off ball movement is very good too.

They both are decent offensive players who are always a threat to get blocked because they lack athletic ability.   I too, think they are good passer.   But the above statement is false, Datome and Jerebko can both both pass.  Neither is as good as KO or JS at passing but I have seen them set guys up to score nicely.  Zeller has almost as many APG as KO  it is like 1.8 to 1.3.

All the good though is taken away on the defensive end, which is half of the game though.   KO and JS are slow of foot and they both make me cringe on defense.  KO at least tries and makes more effort and I have seen some changes in his physique in a good way.

I think it's clear KO still hasn't harnessed his full potential and he does do lots of the little, unmeasured stuff. But as a second-year guy, even his conventional stats, at 16-8 per 36, aren't that bad.

[Rosco917]

I'd like to say Kelly will become an effective guy off the bench for a team that can afford his type of skill set.
Of late, he looks so ineffective, so uncomfortable, I'm having a hard time letting the words flow out of my mouth.

I'm going to buy into the thought that Kelly is still suffering from the effects of the ankle sprain, and by years end, will be an offensive weapon of some kind off the bench.

Last year, as the season ended it looked like Kelly was heading in the right direction, after looking especially lost during the early season. This year he doesn't appear to have taken any type of step forward.

I guess some of us are getting suspicious that Kelly may not be able to take any significant strides forward. 

 

[Celtics18]

Guess some of us need a magnifying glass to see the "great" things that Olynyk does on the floor.

Because from what I see, he's turnover prone, always falls down, misses shots, and looks lost on the floor.

Is it possible the Olynyk fans just think he has pretty hair?

Yeah, that must be it. 

[Monkhouse]

Guess some of us need a magnifying glass to see the "great" things that Olynyk does on the floor.

Because from what I see, he's turnover prone, always falls down, misses shots, and looks lost on the floor.

Is it possible the Olynyk fans just think he has pretty hair?

KO should focus on improving his offense, because his defense will never be above average, but at least he'll make up for his defensive mishaps with his offense.

[thirstyboots18]

I often forget my own assertions...that it takes point guards and centers longer to mature into their roles.  I think KO needs more time.  For those of us who have been around for a while, unless they were very unusual, players usually rode the pine their rookie year and "might" sniff some playing time their second year.  Kelly has been thrown in to the fray very young and is kind of learning on the fly.  How much better he could have already been with KG mentoring him is hard to judge, but especially since he doesn't have a mentor to show him the ins and outs of his position and also to guide him through what is/will be expected of him, I would hope we give him another year or so to see if his basketball self does develop physically And mentally.

[Celtics4ever]

I think it's clear KO still hasn't harnessed his full potential and he does do lots of the little, unmeasured stuff.

  He has a great basketball IQ.  He does not have a ton of athletic potential though.  I think his skills could grow some like his shooting and especially his confidence.  This kid can play when he has confidence but in games where he does not get it going he is a detriment.

[rollie mass]

i don't care what anyone says he not anywhere up to speed,his ankle and legs arn't right  he's much slower getting up court and clumsy at the moment-if you were a player that had this injury or a knee you would know it takes time.Everything he is doing is measured and  in slow motion -he has to think not re act-he's not leaving his feet where he used to-he is out there but not carefree----this is a 7ft guy running on a bad ankle and just coming back-he still doesn't trust it-

[dreamgreen]

Guess some of us need a magnifying glass to see the "great" things that Olynyk does on the floor.

Because from what I see, he's turnover prone, always falls down, misses shots, and looks lost on the floor.

Is it possible the Olynyk fans just think he has pretty hair?

I think I counted 5x last game that he fell on the floor, drives me crazy!!!