Welp, here we go...Rondo and Carlisle going at each other

[Roy H.]

Rondo never has been an outstanding point guard.

I don't know if I agree with that.  I'd be quite happy building around the Rondo from 2010 or so.

[Tr1boy]

Tim's still around. There's just not much to talk about now that the C's roster is devoid of good players and is definitely in for a longish rebuild.

Not sure about your theory. All he did was talk about Rondo this or Rondo that. 

And this is becoming a faster rebuild than you think.  The 76ers, Magic , Jazz are in for a long long rebuild. The Celts are progressing game after game. I can't remember the last time we got blown out.   

[GreenFaith1819]

And they lost without him. 

It sickens me how people here dump on the guy so much, someone who was a big part of our championship run.  That alone should command respect.  How can we forget so fast everything he did here?  Smh.

If Rondo wanted respect in Boston, perhaps he should have thought twice before pouting himself out of town. So long, and thanks for all the fish.

Wow.  How exactly did he "pout" himself out of town?

Where do I start? How about by handing the ball off on offense and standing around? Or refusing to take shots? Or not playing defense?

You want him to break his back on a team that was clearly organized to lose huh?  He was being hounded on the point that he was holding onto the ball way too long, and when he decided to dish it early, you still criticize him.  [dang] if you do, [dang] if you don't.  That's not "pouting" by the way.

I want him to be a professional and do the thing he is being paid millions of dollars to do. I don't understand why so many people are so eager to provide excuses of "poor environment" and "bad team" to excuse Rondo for his obvious lack of motivation and everything else the last couple of years. It doesn't fly in the real world, so I don't understand why we think it should fly for some of the most priveleged and wealthy individuals in the world.

And I'm sure Slick Rick was being professional, too.

It takes two to tango.

And the coach isn't always right - just ask a certain Jason Kidd.

I wasn't referring to the whole Carlisle situation. Rather, I was referring to his time here.

That being said, the coach is the coach. He blatantly ignored a play Carlisle was wanting him to run and didn't even acknowledge him. Quetz' post is spot on. Doc gave him alot more freedom, but Carlisle just doesn't seem to be that type of coach, especially with a player that's only been there as long as Rondo has been. I think a divorce is inevitable.

Look - for the record, Rondo was wrong for what he did...let me be clear about that.

But Rick was wrong, too. Yes - he is the coach. But Rajon Rondo did not just overnight curse at Rick out of the blue.

Something has been simmering for a while, now.

It was not Rajon's choice to be traded. He was placed in a situation (and seemingly a good one at 1st), and now the team is old, players are showing their age, Dirk gets a free pass (and seemingly has mailed it in during the season, at least), and there seems to be some division.

Rick handed Jason Kidd the keys, eventually - while in the world he hasn't did that with Rajon yet is beyond me and is insulting to Rajon.

If the coach (and Rondo to some extent) can't compromise then Rajon needs to move on. Let Dirk ride off into the sunset with his 1 ring...he doesn't seem to have the desire for a 2nd.

This is not ALL about Rajon...that is what has me so irritated about the climate on this Blog.

[Tr1boy]

And they lost without him. 

It sickens me how people here dump on the guy so much, someone who was a big part of our championship run.  That alone should command respect.  How can we forget so fast everything he did here?  Smh.

If Rondo wanted respect in Boston, perhaps he should have thought twice before pouting himself out of town. So long, and thanks for all the fish.

Wow.  How exactly did he "pout" himself out of town?

Where do I start? How about by handing the ball off on offense and standing around? Or refusing to take shots? Or not playing defense?

You want him to break his back on a team that was clearly organized to lose huh?  He was being hounded on the point that he was holding onto the ball way too long, and when he decided to dish it early, you still criticize him.  [dang] if you do, [dang] if you don't.  That's not "pouting" by the way.

I want him to be a professional and do the thing he is being paid millions of dollars to do. I don't understand why so many people are so eager to provide excuses of "poor environment" and "bad team" to excuse Rondo for his obvious lack of motivation and everything else the last couple of years. It doesn't fly in the real world, so I don't understand why we think it should fly for some of the most priveleged and wealthy individuals in the world.

And I'm sure Slick Rick was being professional, too.

It takes two to tango.

And the coach isn't always right - just ask a certain Jason Kidd.

I wasn't referring to the whole Carlisle situation. Rather, I was referring to his time here.

That being said, the coach is the coach. He blatantly ignored a play Carlisle was wanting him to run and didn't even acknowledge him. Quetz' post is spot on. Doc gave him alot more freedom, but Carlisle just doesn't seem to be that type of coach, especially with a player that's only been there as long as Rondo has been. I think a divorce is inevitable.

Look - for the record, Rondo was wrong for what he did...let me be clear about that.

But Rick was wrong, too. Yes - he is the coach. But Rajon Rondo did not just overnight curse at Rick out of the blue.

Something has been simmering for a while, now.

It was not Rajon's choice to be traded. He was placed in a situation (and seemingly a good one at 1st), and now the team is old, players are showing their age, Dirk gets a free pass (and seemingly has mailed it in during the season, at least), and there seems to be some division.

Rick handed Jason Kidd the keys, eventually - while in the world he hasn't did that with Rajon yet is beyond me and is insulting to Rajon.

If the coach (and Rondo to some extent) can't compromise then Rajon needs to move on. Let Dirk ride off into the sunset with his 1 ring...he doesn't seem to have the desire for a 2nd.

This is not ALL about Rajon...that is what has me so irritated about the climate on this Blog.

This is 90 percent on Rondo and 10 percent on Carlisle

Rondo should listen to the coach not do what he thinks is best for the team.  Rondo was lucky Doc (after 2010 season) and Stevens didn't say anything when he was freestyling on the offensive end, but Carlisle is not taking bs. Good for Carlisle

The only thing Carlisle did was bad was lose his composure in front of the team and fans.  He could of benched him without a fuss

[inverselock]

Tim's still around. There's just not much to talk about now that the C's roster is devoid of good players and is definitely in for a longish rebuild.

We haven't had any good players for a couple of years.

[Tr1boy]

Tim's still around. There's just not much to talk about now that the C's roster is devoid of good players and is definitely in for a longish rebuild.

We haven't had any good players for a couple of years.

imo it doesn't matter. We have a good unit.  This unit plays hard and is overachieving. Now we add Thomas and we are going to develop at an even faster rate.

[sed522002]

Earlier in the year when Carlisle called out Parsons on his weight and apologized, Chandler said that they were always going at it on what they thought heavy was. Carlisle shoots from the hip and doesn't care who you are..it's his team. They traded for Rondo (when they didn't have to) being fully aware of his capabilities,strengths, and weaknesses. It's up to them (Rondo and Rick) to make it work if they want it to.

[inverselock]

Tim's still around. There's just not much to talk about now that the C's roster is devoid of good players and is definitely in for a longish rebuild.

We haven't had any good players for a couple of years.

imo it doesn't matter. We have a good unit.  This unit plays hard and is overachieving. Now we add Thomas and we are going to develop at an even faster rate.

It was more to the point that there's nothing to talk about now,  but its been that way for a while.

I enjoy watching and talking about our rebuilding.   They play to win, its great.   Really sucks Sully is out.   Could have been a really good run to the end of the season.   

[D.o.s.]

Tim's still around. There's just not much to talk about now that the C's roster is devoid of good players and is definitely in for a longish rebuild.

We haven't had any good players for a couple of years.

Agreed, save Green, Rondo and probably Bass (who were/are good players), but the chance for a quick turnaround following Pierce and KG's exit was still a possibility until Rondo got injured and subsequently traded.

It's hard to get excited about the Brandon Wrights and the Jae Crowders when you know they're just stopping in for coffee, and IT22 is cool but he was the same way on the Kings, so the new toy feeling isn't there for me.

[jpotter33]

And they lost without him. 

It sickens me how people here dump on the guy so much, someone who was a big part of our championship run.  That alone should command respect.  How can we forget so fast everything he did here?  Smh.

If Rondo wanted respect in Boston, perhaps he should have thought twice before pouting himself out of town. So long, and thanks for all the fish.

Wow.  How exactly did he "pout" himself out of town?

Where do I start? How about by handing the ball off on offense and standing around? Or refusing to take shots? Or not playing defense?

You want him to break his back on a team that was clearly organized to lose huh?  He was being hounded on the point that he was holding onto the ball way too long, and when he decided to dish it early, you still criticize him.  [dang] if you do, [dang] if you don't.  That's not "pouting" by the way.

I want him to be a professional and do the thing he is being paid millions of dollars to do. I don't understand why so many people are so eager to provide excuses of "poor environment" and "bad team" to excuse Rondo for his obvious lack of motivation and everything else the last couple of years. It doesn't fly in the real world, so I don't understand why we think it should fly for some of the most priveleged and wealthy individuals in the world.

And I'm sure Slick Rick was being professional, too.

It takes two to tango.

And the coach isn't always right - just ask a certain Jason Kidd.

I wasn't referring to the whole Carlisle situation. Rather, I was referring to his time here.

That being said, the coach is the coach. He blatantly ignored a play Carlisle was wanting him to run and didn't even acknowledge him. Quetz' post is spot on. Doc gave him alot more freedom, but Carlisle just doesn't seem to be that type of coach, especially with a player that's only been there as long as Rondo has been. I think a divorce is inevitable.

Look - for the record, Rondo was wrong for what he did...let me be clear about that.

But Rick was wrong, too. Yes - he is the coach. But Rajon Rondo did not just overnight curse at Rick out of the blue.

Something has been simmering for a while, now.

It was not Rajon's choice to be traded. He was placed in a situation (and seemingly a good one at 1st), and now the team is old, players are showing their age, Dirk gets a free pass (and seemingly has mailed it in during the season, at least), and there seems to be some division.

Rick handed Jason Kidd the keys, eventually - while in the world he hasn't did that with Rajon yet is beyond me and is insulting to Rajon.

If the coach (and Rondo to some extent) can't compromise then Rajon needs to move on. Let Dirk ride off into the sunset with his 1 ring...he doesn't seem to have the desire for a 2nd.

This is not ALL about Rajon...that is what has me so irritated about the climate on this Blog.

I don't know. Maybe I'm too old-school, or maybe my philosophy doesn't translate to the pros. But I don't think most players should be questioning coaches. They're there for a reason. I just don't think Rondo is good enough right now to be questioning his coach and going against his plans, at least not in this stage of his career with how he's been playing. If this was Lebron, that's different, because he's the best player in the world. But has Rondo really been good enough this year to be questioning Carlisle's decisions? I don't think he has.

But you're totally right on Nowitzki getting a free pass. Actually, I liked him all the way up until this year when I started watching more of him. Big big baby.

[Eja117]

I am curious. For the people out there saying Rondo makes teams worse....do they believe if Rondo leaves the Mavs that the Mavs will be better next year? Is that the idea?

Yep. He's not adding value there. It's a ****** fit. Don't you see that?

So just to double check they were better off (or would have been better off) with Jameer Nelson? Hmmm...ok. Give me Rondo.

Were they better off with Nelson, Crowder, Wright and a pick?

Mike

No

[inverselock]

Tim's still around. There's just not much to talk about now that the C's roster is devoid of good players and is definitely in for a longish rebuild.

We haven't had any good players for a couple of years.

Agreed, save Green, Rondo and probably Bass (who were/are good players), but the chance for a quick turnaround following Pierce and KG's exit was still a possibility until Rondo got injured and subsequently traded.

It's hard to get excited about the Brandon Wrights and the Jae Crowders when you know they're just stopping in for coffee, and IT22 is cool but he was the same way on the Kings, so the new toy feeling isn't there for me.

I want to see how our picks develop.  AB (time for his development is almost over), Sully, KO, Smart, Young. 

IT's a badass little man.  He's fun to watch and drives to the basket unlike someone who had the skills to, but wouldn't due to being scared of shooting free throws.

Getting a superstar isn't easy.  Danny's got enough chips to buy us back into the game.  Just have to be patient.  No easy fix.

Find yourself a silver lining or rebuilding is going to be miserable.

[greg683x]

I personally think Rondo is autistic. He is awkward, brilliant, and wants to be a perfectionist in certain things. Also, I remember reading something about him saying he drank 6 bottles of water on the way to the TD Garden because he didn't want to be bothered wasting time on in game hydration. Also, wasn't he the one that took 3 pre-game showers EXACTLY at the same time each game? These are all autistic traits. 

In basketball this doesn't mean anything, but it's something I've been observing for a few years now.

im pretty sure you dont know how autism works.

[Jonny CC]

I am curious. For the people out there saying Rondo makes teams worse....do they believe if Rondo leaves the Mavs that the Mavs will be better next year? Is that the idea?

Yep. He's not adding value there. It's a ****** fit. Don't you see that?

So just to double check they were better off (or would have been better off) with Jameer Nelson? Hmmm...ok. Give me Rondo.

Were they better off with Nelson, Crowder, Wright and a pick?

Mike

No

Please explain how Dallas is better off with Rondo vs Nelson, Crowder, Wright and a 1st rd pick??

[GreenFaith1819]

And they lost without him. 

It sickens me how people here dump on the guy so much, someone who was a big part of our championship run.  That alone should command respect.  How can we forget so fast everything he did here?  Smh.

If Rondo wanted respect in Boston, perhaps he should have thought twice before pouting himself out of town. So long, and thanks for all the fish.

Wow.  How exactly did he "pout" himself out of town?

Where do I start? How about by handing the ball off on offense and standing around? Or refusing to take shots? Or not playing defense?

You want him to break his back on a team that was clearly organized to lose huh?  He was being hounded on the point that he was holding onto the ball way too long, and when he decided to dish it early, you still criticize him.  [dang] if you do, [dang] if you don't.  That's not "pouting" by the way.

I want him to be a professional and do the thing he is being paid millions of dollars to do. I don't understand why so many people are so eager to provide excuses of "poor environment" and "bad team" to excuse Rondo for his obvious lack of motivation and everything else the last couple of years. It doesn't fly in the real world, so I don't understand why we think it should fly for some of the most priveleged and wealthy individuals in the world.

And I'm sure Slick Rick was being professional, too.

It takes two to tango.

And the coach isn't always right - just ask a certain Jason Kidd.

I wasn't referring to the whole Carlisle situation. Rather, I was referring to his time here.

That being said, the coach is the coach. He blatantly ignored a play Carlisle was wanting him to run and didn't even acknowledge him. Quetz' post is spot on. Doc gave him alot more freedom, but Carlisle just doesn't seem to be that type of coach, especially with a player that's only been there as long as Rondo has been. I think a divorce is inevitable.

Look - for the record, Rondo was wrong for what he did...let me be clear about that.

But Rick was wrong, too. Yes - he is the coach. But Rajon Rondo did not just overnight curse at Rick out of the blue.

Something has been simmering for a while, now.

It was not Rajon's choice to be traded. He was placed in a situation (and seemingly a good one at 1st), and now the team is old, players are showing their age, Dirk gets a free pass (and seemingly has mailed it in during the season, at least), and there seems to be some division.

Rick handed Jason Kidd the keys, eventually - while in the world he hasn't did that with Rajon yet is beyond me and is insulting to Rajon.

If the coach (and Rondo to some extent) can't compromise then Rajon needs to move on. Let Dirk ride off into the sunset with his 1 ring...he doesn't seem to have the desire for a 2nd.

This is not ALL about Rajon...that is what has me so irritated about the climate on this Blog.

I don't know. Maybe I'm too old-school, or maybe my philosophy doesn't translate to the pros. But I don't think most players should be questioning coaches. They're there for a reason. I just don't think Rondo is good enough right now to be questioning his coach and going against his plans, at least not in this stage of his career with how he's been playing. If this was Lebron, that's different, because he's the best player in the world. But has Rondo really been good enough this year to be questioning Carlisle's decisions? I don't think he has.

But you're totally right on Nowitzki getting a free pass. Actually, I liked him all the way up until this year when I started watching more of him. Big big baby.

I'm old school, too - very much so. Can't stand most of the music nowadays, everything.

Rondo should not be questioning his coaches, but for Rick to state that he and Rondo needs to talk more is telling, to say the least.

Why hasn't he sought out Rondo until now? Did Jason Kidd ruffle his feathers to the point where he was going to try to make an example out of Rajon?

Maybe Rajon is looking at the roster and seeing that ONLY Tyson has a defensive mindset. Monta is coming along, but the Bookend Forwards can't guard a turtle.

KG and Pierce were a GREAT defensive tandem - even up till 2012.

And as for Rajon being good enough? Oh wow - people seem to have forgotten 09-12.....even May 09 series with CHI and ORL, where Rajon stepped up once KG and Powe went down.

I don't and will never forget the things that Rajon Rondo did here in Green.

Rajon "Was" that good....he "Can" be, and "Will" be "That" good again. The naysayers here don't want him to be, to prove their inane theories about him.