Welp, here we go...Rondo and Carlisle going at each other

[GreenFaith1819]

Good for the Mavs to back up Carlisle. Rondo's baggage doesn't match his game anymore.

He's had issues with everyone. From his HS coach who suspended him for 12 games, with Tubby Smith at Kentucky, with Doc, with Stevens (birthday party incident), with refs, with a cameraman, with Heat sideline reporter Jason Jackson, and now with Carlisle.

Glad you've been keeping score.

You've got more dirt on Rondo than the FBI......

It's no secret, his apologists just like to keep their eyes tightly closed and pretend he's a boy scout.

Or, perhaps his apologists just tend to remember the Good Times he had in BOS, along with Ray, Perk, KG and PP.....you know, "The Starting Five that never lost a Series".

Boy those were good times.........right?

So he gets carte blanche? Awesome stuff.

Well, as a fan that's what I do.

I'm certainly not going to share with my sons or my friends or co-workers the "bad" times, lol.....I don't think many fans do.

Only the ones with a personal agenda or bent towards a player or players will remember the miniscule dirt on the players they watch.

So you turn a blind eye to all his incidents? When do the free passes stop?

As a fan, I don't track the bad stuff, eddie20...I personally think it's creepy to do so - especially when that is all that some fans tend to do.

Of course I keep it all in mind, but oftentimes where you focus on is where your mind remains.

For me, there are just too many good times that Rajon Rondo had here in BOS for me to focus on the negative stuff...way too many.

Our 17th Banner came at the expense of the Los Angeles Lakers - our bitter rivals - and Rajon Rondo was indeed a part of it - remember?

Our team - with Rajon Rondo in tow - was the one that upset CLE and send LeBron James packing to MIA - with Rajon Rondo having a HUGE series.

For me, I don't summarily dismiss the good times because of Rajon's bouts with his coaches. He is a load to manage and perhaps could handle things better.

But I sympathize with him and won't ever throw him under the bus.

Oftentimes, there are things we don't see that are the root cause for things happening. With Rajon Rondo, unfortunately - all some see is the bad.

See, the problem is that the incidents are reoccurring. It's always one thing or another with this guy. He's always the common denominator. I would be more sympathetic if his issues were with one individual or spread out at length between incidents. Fact is, Rondo is a jerk. A jerk that helped us win games, but a jerk nonetheless.

Yes, and Kobe's been called a jerk, too....as well as Michael Jordan.

Gotta love those jerks.

The difference is, those guys can actually consistently make a jump shot, and they didn't shoot under 40% from the free throw line.  Maybe things will magically turn around once the playoffs start, but there's no denying the fact that as of right now, Rondo doesn't look like he fits in the Dallas system.  The too ball-dominant problem is an issue, but Chris Paul is very ball-dominant as well, the difference is, the defense still has to be prepared for his offensive game.  Not only has Rondo never been that good of an offensive player, but he's gotten worse.  A lot worse.  The only "out" he had so to speak was to drive to the hoop and he barely even does that anymore since he knows how horrific he is at the free throw line.

And all of that is effort outside of the 48 minutes of game time.  The fact that he never put in the real work to improve his jump shot or free throws early on in his career is REALLY gonna come back to bite him in his veteran years.

Well, even with all this, the story is still being written.

We can evaluate Rondo and this season in DAL again as time goes on and when DAL finishes the season.

To me, I'll remember Rajon Rondo's good times in BOS. I'll cheer him and DAL if they can put it all together - with Rajon making significant contributions - in June. I they can't, that won't change my fondness and remembrance of him.

I'll still be sporting my Green number 9, as well as my Green 5, 20 and 34.

[Eja117]

You can say what you want about Rondo, but personally I'm not very impressed with Carlisle.

For all of Doc's "coaching" he was able to keep Rondo very productive and Stevens had Rondo just a couple months ago playing completely differently than this.

And Rondo isn't the only player in Dallas having a noticably down year. Anyone following Parsons? He isn't playing at last year's level either. What's the excuse there?

The Mavs are a stacked team and they aren't playing like one. I put that at Carlisle's feet. Now he's got Amare to help. Let's see how that goes.

You do remember that Carlisle won a title in 2011, right?

God I had practically forgotten. You know it's not 2011, right?

You know the last time Rondo was any good was 2012, right?

Oh 2012. So thaaaatt's when he led the league in assists and his position at rebs.

Not sure. Maybe. However, the leading rebounds for a PG is such an empty stat. It's like being the best shotblocking PG, it doesn't make much of a difference in wins and losses.

What is your stance, though? Are you saying that Rondo is still a good player or was a good player?

Was a great player. Isn't as good as he should be. Hard to say exactly why. I think he'll be better next year than he is now (not saying lots) and could likely become better this year. Quite possibly will be pretty good in the playoffs.

[CoachBo]

I appreciate everything Rondo did in green but I certainly won't miss him because of stuff like this. I really do wonder if anyone will give him a max deal next year. I don't think Cuban will the way Rondo looks now.

That's been the issue with Rondo for a few years now.  He thinks he's a max player, and he's just simply not.  Now that won't stop a dumb and desperate team from giving him a max deal (LAKERS), but any basketball fan with eyes knows he's not worth max money.

That 2012 eastern conference final against the Heat was the closest I've seen him play to a max player level.  He was unreal in that series.  But since that time, he's torn his ACL, committed more turnovers, gotten worse at the free throw line, and admitted to the Dallas media that he basically just hasn't put in any effort on defense the last 2 years.

TP for truth. The poor guy Rondo is killing his game because he thinks he's a lot better than he actually is - kind of like a lot of regular posters on this blog.

Meanwhile, the evidence to the contrary piles up, like the snow in Boston.

Bottom line, he's gone. The Celtics are better off for it.

[Eja117]

I am curious. For the people out there saying Rondo makes teams worse....do they believe if Rondo leaves the Mavs that the Mavs will be better next year? Is that the idea?

[GreenFaith1819]

I appreciate everything Rondo did in green but I certainly won't miss him because of stuff like this. I really do wonder if anyone will give him a max deal next year. I don't think Cuban will the way Rondo looks now.

That's been the issue with Rondo for a few years now.  He thinks he's a max player, and he's just simply not.  Now that won't stop a dumb and desperate team from giving him a max deal (LAKERS), but any basketball fan with eyes knows he's not worth max money.

That 2012 eastern conference final against the Heat was the closest I've seen him play to a max player level.  He was unreal in that series.  But since that time, he's torn his ACL, committed more turnovers, gotten worse at the free throw line, and admitted to the Dallas media that he basically just hasn't put in any effort on defense the last 2 years.

TP for truth. The poor guy Rondo is killing his game because he thinks he's a lot better than he actually is - kind of like a lot of regular posters on this blog.

Meanwhile, the evidence to the contrary piles up, like the snow in Boston.

Bottom line, he's gone. The Celtics are better off for it.

Are we better off?

How far you expect us to go without Sully or KO?

Will IT put us on his back and carry us into the playoffs? While I hope so, I realistically think not.

[MBunge]

I appreciate everything Rondo did in green but I certainly won't miss him because of stuff like this. I really do wonder if anyone will give him a max deal next year. I don't think Cuban will the way Rondo looks now.

That's been the issue with Rondo for a few years now.  He thinks he's a max player, and he's just simply not.  Now that won't stop a dumb and desperate team from giving him a max deal (LAKERS), but any basketball fan with eyes knows he's not worth max money.

That 2012 eastern conference final against the Heat was the closest I've seen him play to a max player level.  He was unreal in that series.  But since that time, he's torn his ACL, committed more turnovers, gotten worse at the free throw line, and admitted to the Dallas media that he basically just hasn't put in any effort on defense the last 2 years.

TP for truth. The poor guy Rondo is killing his game because he thinks he's a lot better than he actually is - kind of like a lot of regular posters on this blog.

Meanwhile, the evidence to the contrary piles up, like the snow in Boston.

Bottom line, he's gone. The Celtics are better off for it.

Are we better off?

How far you expect us to go without Sully or KO?

Will IT put us on his back and carry us into the playoffs? While I hope so, I realistically think not.

When did Rondo ever "carry" a team into the playoffs?  He sure as heck didn't do anything to elevate the Celtics when he was here this season.

Mike

[Rondo9]

You can say what you want about Rondo, but personally I'm not very impressed with Carlisle.

For all of Doc's "coaching" he was able to keep Rondo very productive and Stevens had Rondo just a couple months ago playing completely differently than this.

And Rondo isn't the only player in Dallas having a noticably down year. Anyone following Parsons? He isn't playing at last year's level either. What's the excuse there?

The Mavs are a stacked team and they aren't playing like one. I put that at Carlisle's feet. Now he's got Amare to help. Let's see how that goes.

You do remember that Carlisle won a title in 2011, right?

God I had practically forgotten. You know it's not 2011, right?

You know the last time Rondo was any good was 2012, right?

Oh 2012. So thaaaatt's when he led the league in assists and his position at rebs.

Not sure. Maybe. However, the leading rebounds for a PG is such an empty stat. It's like being the best shotblocking PG, it doesn't make much of a difference in wins and losses.

What is your stance, though? Are you saying that Rondo is still a good player or was a good player?

Rebounding as a PG is an asset, especially if you have problems rebounding the ball.

[SHAQATTACK]

We got the best player I the trade with Mavs

Crowder is way better team player than Rondo

Because he actually gives a rats tail about the team .....no being a drama queen

[CoachBo]

I appreciate everything Rondo did in green but I certainly won't miss him because of stuff like this. I really do wonder if anyone will give him a max deal next year. I don't think Cuban will the way Rondo looks now.

That's been the issue with Rondo for a few years now.  He thinks he's a max player, and he's just simply not.  Now that won't stop a dumb and desperate team from giving him a max deal (LAKERS), but any basketball fan with eyes knows he's not worth max money.

That 2012 eastern conference final against the Heat was the closest I've seen him play to a max player level.  He was unreal in that series.  But since that time, he's torn his ACL, committed more turnovers, gotten worse at the free throw line, and admitted to the Dallas media that he basically just hasn't put in any effort on defense the last 2 years.

TP for truth. The poor guy Rondo is killing his game because he thinks he's a lot better than he actually is - kind of like a lot of regular posters on this blog.

Meanwhile, the evidence to the contrary piles up, like the snow in Boston.

Bottom line, he's gone. The Celtics are better off for it.

Are we better off?

How far you expect us to go without Sully or KO?

Will IT put us on his back and carry us into the playoffs? While I hope so, I realistically think not.

When did Rondo ever "carry" a team into the playoffs?  He sure as heck didn't do anything to elevate the Celtics when he was here this season.

Mike

Precisely.

Not entirely unexpected to see posters here get back into what this blog does best - conflating Rondo's ability and contributions to the Celtics.

Good player who quit caring about his game and became all but useless to the Celtics. He's fast reaching that point in Dallas. Going to play and pout himself out of the league if he's not careful - and people will still be proclaiming him the greatest on this blog.

[ssspence]

I am curious. For the people out there saying Rondo makes teams worse....do they believe if Rondo leaves the Mavs that the Mavs will be better next year? Is that the idea?

Yep. He's not adding value there. It's a ****** fit. Don't you see that?

[Eja117]

I am curious. For the people out there saying Rondo makes teams worse....do they believe if Rondo leaves the Mavs that the Mavs will be better next year? Is that the idea?

Yep. He's not adding value there. It's a ****** fit. Don't you see that?

So just to double check they were better off (or would have been better off) with Jameer Nelson? Hmmm...ok. Give me Rondo.

[Rondo9]

I appreciate everything Rondo did in green but I certainly won't miss him because of stuff like this. I really do wonder if anyone will give him a max deal next year. I don't think Cuban will the way Rondo looks now.

That's been the issue with Rondo for a few years now.  He thinks he's a max player, and he's just simply not.  Now that won't stop a dumb and desperate team from giving him a max deal (LAKERS), but any basketball fan with eyes knows he's not worth max money.

That 2012 eastern conference final against the Heat was the closest I've seen him play to a max player level.  He was unreal in that series.  But since that time, he's torn his ACL, committed more turnovers, gotten worse at the free throw line, and admitted to the Dallas media that he basically just hasn't put in any effort on defense the last 2 years.

TP for truth. The poor guy Rondo is killing his game because he thinks he's a lot better than he actually is - kind of like a lot of regular posters on this blog.

Meanwhile, the evidence to the contrary piles up, like the snow in Boston.

Bottom line, he's gone. The Celtics are better off for it.

Are we better off?

How far you expect us to go without Sully or KO?

Will IT put us on his back and carry us into the playoffs? While I hope so, I realistically think not.

When did Rondo ever "carry" a team into the playoffs?  He sure as heck didn't do anything to elevate the Celtics when he was here this season.

Mike

Precisely.

Not entirely unexpected to see posters here get back into what this blog does best - conflating Rondo's ability and contributions to the Celtics.

Good player who quit caring about his game and became all but useless to the Celtics. He's fast reaching that point in Dallas. Going to play and pout himself out of the league if he's not careful - and people will still be proclaiming him the greatest on this blog.

All I see are people still thrashing him even after he left, including you apparently

[Clench123]

And they lost without him. 

It sickens me how people here dump on the guy so much, someone who was a big part of our championship run.  That alone should command respect.  How can we forget so fast everything he did here?  Smh.

[GreenFaith1819]

Well, at least we can't blame Rondo for DAL's thrashing at the hands of ATL tonight......oh, wait.

Dirk shot a blistering 2-7, as well.....but gets a free pass, I'm sure.

[MBunge]

I am curious. For the people out there saying Rondo makes teams worse....do they believe if Rondo leaves the Mavs that the Mavs will be better next year? Is that the idea?

Yep. He's not adding value there. It's a ****** fit. Don't you see that?

So just to double check they were better off (or would have been better off) with Jameer Nelson? Hmmm...ok. Give me Rondo.

Were they better off with Nelson, Crowder, Wright and a pick?

Mike