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Re: Rondo vs Thomas
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2015, 11:41:57 AM »

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Now we will see how they like the allen Iverson type......keep the ball, go to the hole.....while the rest of the team starves or rebounds for him..? hopefully not his way, but we will see..!!! Rondo was made for the Celtics system.....in Dallas, not as much.....he needs to leave that team.....I watched it the other day and they don't move for him...all they want to do is shoot from outside....chandler is a big, talented WORTHLESS cry baby....zeller would do more for dallas because he puts most into it.....chandler thinks he did it yesterday so it should be good enough.....
Rondo wasn't made for the celtics system.  The celtics system was made for rondo. 

As long as his team next year is prepared to cater to his strengths and weaknesses, he can be right back to getting his big stats.   As soon as Boston hired brad Stevens, moving rondo became inevitable.  Brad clearly wanted to run a ball-sharing offense that rondo can't be effective in. 

Re: Rondo vs Thomas
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2015, 11:57:38 AM »

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This. ENOUGH with Rondo. Honestly. Some people just can't get the hate out of their system and need to find any way they can to throw dirt on the guy.

I like following how Rondo does in Dallas and I think it is going to be interesting to follow how he does in FA.  I also like following how Pierce does in Washington and I will even be interested in how Prince does in Dallas.  Since Thomas is sort of Rondo's replacement, isn't it natural to want to debate Rondo vs Thomas on a forum whose whole purpose in life is to provide a place to debate all things Celtics?

Why is that "hate" or "throwing dirt" on Rondo?  I don't get why debating Rondo bothers people so much that they (you are certainly not the only one) call out people for it.  There is not that much else right now with this team.

It does seem like the people that Rondo is proving right by not playing well are more present in the forums than those not.  Maybe Rondo will start playing great, Mavs go on a winning streak and we will start hearing more from the "Rondo is a top 5 PG" crowd, and quiet the others.
You only have to look at who the OP is to know the intent of the post.  How does a comparison between Rondo and Thomas mean anything when Thomas hasn't even played a minute for the Celtics yet?  Sacramento was happy to be rid of Thomas and so are the Suns.  So I see no reason to think that he'll be who we need as our starting PG. 

Re: Rondo vs Thomas
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2015, 12:00:04 PM »

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Gimmicky mini guards like him never start long-term.  He's gonna be an Earl Boykins energy guy who will give you 12-15 off the bench.

Not true. I have stood face to face with Steve Nash. Dude is 5'11" tops. That's only 2 inches taller then IT. Not a big difference considering Nash's athelticism.

It's not like he's 5'5" (boykins) or 5'3" (mugsy). He's 2 inches shorter then Nash and honestly only 3 inches shorter then iverson (also met) and the other Isiah Thomas. Both iverson and Thomas are 6'0" on a good day. The NBA is generous with measurements.

Nash, iverson, and Thomas are all hall of famers. Now Thomas isn't that kind of talent but I'm not quick to say he's a gimmick in today's NBA and the way it's played and officiated.

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The 5-foot-9 Thomas has potential to give Boston's offense a big-time jolt. In his final season with Sacramento during the 2013-14 campaign, Thomas averaged 20.3 points and 6.3 assists over 34.7 minutes per game. Despite playing only 25.7 minutes per game this season in Phoenix's overstocked backcourt, he still averaged 15.2 points on four fewer shots per game and his 3-point percentage climbed to a career-best 39.1 percent.

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=bostonceltics&id=4717860

20 points per game and 6 assists per game isn't gimmicky. Now can he duplicate that? I don't know. Based on his numbers in Phoenix the per minute production was still there.


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Re: Rondo vs Thomas
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2015, 12:59:12 PM »

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Now we will see how they like the allen Iverson type......keep the ball, go to the hole.....while the rest of the team starves or rebounds for him..? hopefully not his way, but we will see..!!! Rondo was made for the Celtics system.....in Dallas, not as much.....he needs to leave that team.....I watched it the other day and they don't move for him...all they want to do is shoot from outside....chandler is a big, talented WORTHLESS cry baby....zeller would do more for dallas because he puts most into it.....chandler thinks he did it yesterday so it should be good enough.....
Rondo wasn't made for the celtics system.  The celtics system was made for rondo. 

As long as his team next year is prepared to cater to his strengths and weaknesses, he can be right back to getting his big stats.   As soon as Boston hired brad Stevens, moving rondo became inevitable.  Brad clearly wanted to run a ball-sharing offense that rondo can't be effective in.
The Stevens hiring, with the 6 year contract, was the signal that the Celtics management were satisfied going into a long term rebuild.  You don't hire a mid-major college coach with no NBA experience if you are serious about trying to compete in the short term.  I agree Rondo wasn't a great fit for Stevens' system but Rondo did try to fit into the system just like he is trying to fit into Carlisle's system now.  Its funny all the bashing Rondo gets when he is really a team player.  As opposed to someone like Dragic who gets his panties in a twist and forces a trade because he's not being used correctly.

Personally I'm not sold on Stevens or his system.  Hopefully he'll prove me wrong and develop into a good NBA coach but I expect that he'll be back in college coaching in a few years.     
 

Re: Rondo vs Thomas
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2015, 01:21:42 PM »

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Gimmicky mini guards like him never start long-term.  He's gonna be an Earl Boykins energy guy who will give you 12-15 off the bench.

Not true. I have stood face to face with Steve Nash. Dude is 5'11" tops. That's only 2 inches taller then IT. Not a big difference considering Nash's athelticism.

It's not like he's 5'5" (boykins) or 5'3" (mugsy). He's 2 inches shorter then Nash and honestly only 3 inches shorter then iverson (also met) and the other Isiah Thomas. Both iverson and Thomas are 6'0" on a good day. The NBA is generous with measurements.

Nash, iverson, and Thomas are all hall of famers. Now Thomas isn't that kind of talent but I'm not quick to say he's a gimmick in today's NBA and the way it's played and officiated.

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The 5-foot-9 Thomas has potential to give Boston's offense a big-time jolt. In his final season with Sacramento during the 2013-14 campaign, Thomas averaged 20.3 points and 6.3 assists over 34.7 minutes per game. Despite playing only 25.7 minutes per game this season in Phoenix's overstocked backcourt, he still averaged 15.2 points on four fewer shots per game and his 3-point percentage climbed to a career-best 39.1 percent.

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=bostonceltics&id=4717860

20 points per game and 6 assists per game isn't gimmicky. Now can he duplicate that? I don't know. Based on his numbers in Phoenix the per minute production was still there.
Steve Nash is 6'1 without shoes. Isaiah Thomas is 5'8.75 without shoes. That's 4.25 difference. Not a 2 inch difference.

This is from draftexpress.com that has the actual measurements pre-draft.

Re: Rondo vs Thomas
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2015, 01:59:52 PM »

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Re: Rondo vs Thomas
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2015, 04:59:15 PM »

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Gimmicky mini guards like him never start long-term.  He's gonna be an Earl Boykins energy guy who will give you 12-15 off the bench.

Not true. I have stood face to face with Steve Nash. Dude is 5'11" tops. That's only 2 inches taller then IT. Not a big difference considering Nash's athelticism.

It's not like he's 5'5" (boykins) or 5'3" (mugsy). He's 2 inches shorter then Nash and honestly only 3 inches shorter then iverson (also met) and the other Isiah Thomas. Both iverson and Thomas are 6'0" on a good day. The NBA is generous with measurements.

Nash, iverson, and Thomas are all hall of famers. Now Thomas isn't that kind of talent but I'm not quick to say he's a gimmick in today's NBA and the way it's played and officiated.

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The 5-foot-9 Thomas has potential to give Boston's offense a big-time jolt. In his final season with Sacramento during the 2013-14 campaign, Thomas averaged 20.3 points and 6.3 assists over 34.7 minutes per game. Despite playing only 25.7 minutes per game this season in Phoenix's overstocked backcourt, he still averaged 15.2 points on four fewer shots per game and his 3-point percentage climbed to a career-best 39.1 percent.

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=bostonceltics&id=4717860

20 points per game and 6 assists per game isn't gimmicky. Now can he duplicate that? I don't know. Based on his numbers in Phoenix the per minute production was still there.

Yeah Chris Paul's standing reach is only 1.5" higher than Thomas' also. Thomas is small, but let's not pretend small players haven't found success in the league before. It's the reason he fell to 60 in the draft (reasonable), but he has proven he can be a successful offensive player despite that.

Re: Rondo vs Thomas
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2015, 05:07:12 PM »

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In my mind IT reminds me of Spud Web .....without the crazy dunks Spud was famous for ;)

Re: Rondo vs Thomas
« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2015, 05:11:49 PM »

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Nobody said IT was going to stay for five years .

IT may be gone in a year .


I think he is a temporary experiment .

To work KO and Zeller  into better pick and roll bigs .

When he has trained KO and Zeller ...I expect he ll be moved on and Smart will take over .

Re: Rondo vs Thomas
« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2015, 05:44:31 PM »

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One cool thing about Rondo's education was that his GM was a former all-star PG, his coach was a former all-star PG, he spent his rookie season fighting for minutes with Delonte West and Sebastian Telfair (both were above him in the depth chart), his second season they brought in Sam Cassell to mentor him, his third season they brought in former all-star PG Marbury...  Rondo had a ton of PG mentors to learn and pick up tricks from.

Smart got to spent a couple months learning from Rondo.  Now Smart will get a chance to see how a completely different quality PG handles his job.   Both should help in Smart's development.

Re: Rondo vs Thomas
« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2015, 02:23:02 PM »

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Thomas is exactly the type of pg this group needs. 

Thomas on the other hand would of not been the ideal pg for the 2008-2010 Celtics squad.

Everything has worked out for the best.  It's too bad , rumor was we could of had Thomas, Mclemore and a 1st last season for Rondo, then could of possibly signed him as a FA in the offseason without giving up a 1st . A little more expensive route to get him also we have one of the best bargain contracts in the league.  Thank you RM

I can't stop watching the last two plays from yesterdays game to seal the deal .  It's been a long time since we had a guy that made consecutive plays like with less than 2 minutes to go. Maybe Pierce? 

Isaiah kind of reminds me of a smaller Pierce at times.  Those step back mid range jumpers are definitely Pierce like.


Re: Rondo vs Thomas
« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2015, 06:43:15 PM »

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Let me preface my comments by stating that I route for the little guy. I even liked Nate Robinson until I met him and he was sort of a jerk in person, (at least to me and my wife), at a public autograph signing.

Let me preface my comments by stating I knew nothing about Isaiah Thomas before he was drafted. Once he hit the NBA and I started watching him, (on occasion), and reviewing his stats, I had to start routing for, and loving the guy. He's 5 foot 9 and scoring 20 a game with great passing, yeah I took notice.

When the proposed trade to send Rondo for Isaiah Thomas, Ben McLemore and a #1 pick I was all for it. When it didn't happen I thought we'd never see Isaiah in Celtic green and I was pretty bummed.

When he ended up with the Suns and agreed to come off the bench, I again thought highly of him, taking up the role the Suns wanted to use him in, rather than the role he deserves. This is something you don't see often with players of his talent level.

Now please understand, I have met with, and talked to Rajon Rondo. He is a nice man, shy, but very intelligent. I'll never forget the years he put in with the team, and I will always be appreciative for his years of service.

But I think Isaiah Thomas is a much better basketball player.

Isaiah is an excellent passer who excels at finding the open man, and a better scorer than Rondo. His defense, the one area in which Rondo may have been better in years past, is better than I thought it would be, and his dedication to his craft seems to be, (although I have nothing concrete to back this up), more intense than Rondo's.

Yes, I very well have a man crush on Isaiah, but I sincerely hope he remains a Celtic for a long time to come.

And I also wish Rondo the very best, and feel bad for the luck he's had over the last couple of seasons, (not that I for one minute believe he fractured his hand "falling down").

Re: Rondo vs Thomas
« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2015, 06:45:49 PM »

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Does everybody compare everything to Rondo.

Rondo vs a Honda

Rondo. Vs. Ham sandwich

Rondo vs Godzilla

Re: Rondo vs Thomas
« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2015, 08:35:03 PM »

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Remember all the wailing and gnashing of teeth when Rondo was traded.

Thomas is better. Much better.

Re: Rondo vs Thomas
« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2015, 08:43:40 PM »

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Does everybody compare everything to Rondo.

Rondo vs a Honda

Rondo. Vs. Ham sandwich

Rondo vs Godzilla

Rondo, Rondo, Godzilla.  Unless it's vs Godzilla at Connect 4, in which case Rondo.