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Re: Kyle Korver named to the All-Star game to replace Dwyane Wade ... really???
« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2015, 11:51:46 PM »

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Korver splashes treys, which are all the rage now.  Wouldn't be surprised to see him sinking a shot or two from half court for the hell of it.

Re: Kyle Korver named to the All-Star game to replace Dwyane Wade ... really???
« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2015, 11:55:50 PM »

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I don't have a big problem with it at all, but it seems awkward to me that a guy gets in for basically having a very efficient season. Ok, it's a historically efficient shooting season, but still.

Go look at Dennis Rodman stats and then look at how he went to two all star games.  I'm not saying two wrongs make a a right or that only guys that score a lot should get in, but I think there are a lot of players out there that are better than him

Funny you mention that, I was thinking also that Rodman is probably the best analogy, in terms of being historically good but in a pretty unusual (or one-dimensional) way.


the rodman situation is completely different cuz he was dominant at rebounding and great defensively (despite the stats not showing during those all star appearances)

while korver was selected for being efficient at scoring

Re: Kyle Korver named to the All-Star game to replace Dwyane Wade ... really???
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2015, 12:00:40 AM »

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 I'm not mad that he made the team but he is the worst all star ever. 13 points 5 rebounds 3 assists. That's awful for an all star. I think it shows the lack of talent currently in the NBA especially in the east.

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« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2015, 12:07:47 AM »

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What guard in the East do you think should make it over him?
Victor Oladipo, Joe Johnson, DeMarr DeRozen, Beal, Giannis, Derrik Rose, MCW....all having better years, at least statistically.
Certainly not in any statistic that involves making the shots that they take.

Re: Kyle Korver named to the All-Star game to replace Dwyane Wade ... really???
« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2015, 12:42:15 AM »

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I'd just say that I agree with the Rodman comp (in a positive way) and I agree with Lowe's analysis. If you don't think that Korver deserves to be there you're not paying attention. He's always been a great shooter, but now he's being allowed to do so much more ans it's helping the Hawks tremendously.

Of course, I think having 4 Hawks in the ASG is a bit absurd -- they're hardly the 86 Celtics -- but I have no beef with Korver getting the nod.
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« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2015, 02:05:36 AM »

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Brandon Knight got shafted here.
Korver's playing great but he's a role player.
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« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2015, 04:21:40 AM »

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Why is somebody comparing Rodman to Korver? That guy is a rebounding beast, winning the category in seven seasons plus multiple DPOY and Defensive team awards.

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« Reply #37 on: February 11, 2015, 07:33:27 AM »

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I don't have a big problem with it at all, but it seems awkward to me that a guy gets in for basically having a very efficient season. Ok, it's a historically efficient shooting season, but still.

Go look at Dennis Rodman stats and then look at how he went to two all star games.  I'm not saying two wrongs make a a right or that only guys that score a lot should get in, but I think there are a lot of players out there that are better than him

Funny you mention that, I was thinking also that Rodman is probably the best analogy, in terms of being historically good but in a pretty unusual (or one-dimensional) way.


the rodman situation is completely different cuz he was dominant at rebounding and great defensively (despite the stats not showing during those all star appearances)

while korver was selected for being efficient at scoring

I'm not sure you or another poster above understand what "best analogy in terms of being historically good but in a pretty unusual way" means.

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« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2015, 07:44:36 AM »

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I think we as Celtics fans with numerous players in Celtics history sacrificing individual stats for the team ought to know better then judge a player value with stats. Nobody on the Hawks have spectacular stats! Similarly to lots of good Cs teams from the past that had nobody in the PPG top 20.

Do the Hawks have the spacing they have without Korver? How much easier is their HC O when the D needs to account for Korver? Do they run as efficiently if Korver is not in their part of their early offense?

I don't mean to say Knight and others are not deserving. Probably, they are and have a solid case themselves. But Korver is posting the best shooting season in the history of the game on the best team in the NBA this year. You can say it is up for debate and preferences but it is definitely not a stretch. 
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« Reply #39 on: February 11, 2015, 07:48:33 AM »

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What guard in the East do you think should make it over him?
Victor Oladipo, Joe Johnson, DeMarr DeRozen, Beal, Giannis, Derrik Rose, MCW....all having better years, at least statistically.
Certainly not in any statistic that involves making the shots that they take.
Nobody does, so maybe Korver is the best player in the league

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« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2015, 07:55:11 AM »

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Now that I think about it if Rodman could have two maybe Korver is due for one. It's just that I think of Rodman as having been a lot better. Possibly because Rodman played at his high level his whole career, whereas we saw a lot of nothing great from Korver for a long time up till now. So it's ingrained in our heads that he's not great, when actually he's having a historically great year

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« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2015, 07:57:20 AM »

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What guard in the East do you think should make it over him?
Victor Oladipo, Joe Johnson, DeMarr DeRozen, Beal, Giannis, Derrik Rose, MCW....all having better years, at least statistically.
Certainly not in any statistic that involves making the shots that they take.
Nobody does, so maybe Korver is the best player in the league
Maybe Carter Williams is the worst.

I love the Rodman analogy.

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« Reply #42 on: February 11, 2015, 08:04:10 AM »

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Now that I think about it if Rodman could have two maybe Korver is due for one. It's just that I think of Rodman as having been a lot better. Possibly because Rodman played at his high level his whole career, whereas we saw a lot of nothing great from Korver for a long time up till now. So it's ingrained in our heads that he's not great, when actually he's having a historically great year

As further context, Rodman's two AS appearances were at the beginning of his career - one in 1990 when he wasn't even a full-time starter, and one in 1992 which was the first year he led the league in rebounding. Both were in his Detroit years.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rodmade01.html

I do think you're right though about the fact that Korver's late-career success is throwing people for a loop. He really only became a full-time starter after the age of 31. Very unusual.

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« Reply #43 on: February 11, 2015, 08:12:09 AM »

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Now that I think about it if Rodman could have two maybe Korver is due for one. It's just that I think of Rodman as having been a lot better. Possibly because Rodman played at his high level his whole career, whereas we saw a lot of nothing great from Korver for a long time up till now. So it's ingrained in our heads that he's not great, when actually he's having a historically great year

As further context, Rodman's two AS appearances were at the beginning of his career - one in 1990 when he wasn't even a full-time starter, and one in 1992 which was the first year he led the league in rebounding. Both were in his Detroit years.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rodmade01.html

I do think you're right though about the fact that Korver's late-career success is throwing people for a loop. He really only became a full-time starter after the age of 31. Very unusual.
He only became a full starter, but it isn't like he wasn't a great 3 point shooter his entire career.  His career low is 37.5% from three.  Has been below 40% just three times, and this year at 52.8% thus far isn't even his career high.  In 09-10 in Utah he shot 53.6% from three (granted he didn't have the shots he has now).  Korver has always been an excellent shooter.  He also started for two years early in his career in Philly.  Basically just Utah and Chicago where he was a bench guy. 
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« Reply #44 on: February 11, 2015, 08:34:34 AM »

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...of course, maybe I'm just excited to finally break out an Adam Silver conspiracy theory.  We miss ya, David.

You should do some research into how the apparent decrease in the value of home court advantage this season may be related to ref performance, which may be related to Silver replacing Stern.  Adam Silver may be part of a massive conspiracy involving the Bilderburg Group, the Stone Cutters, Opus Dei, the Skull and Bones fraternity, and the Elders of Zion in an attempt to create fairer games.

This (the first half) is really interesting - got a decent starting point?  I've heard of the drop in HCA, but Google isn't much help on the reffing connection.
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