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Re: Kyle Korver named to the All-Star game to replace Dwyane Wade ... really???
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2015, 10:09:45 PM »

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He is certainly having a pretty insane year. I mean 50, 50, and 90...Has anyone ever done that before?

An All-Star.... Eh, its a stretch. I don't agree with four Hawks being on the squad and even though Kyle Korver is a valuable piece, I'm not sure I could call him a league all star. But I guess  in regards to his season it is nonetheless deserved.

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Re: Kyle Korver named to the All-Star game to replace Dwyane Wade ... really???
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2015, 10:22:43 PM »

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He is certainly having a pretty insane year. I mean 50, 50, and 90...Has anyone ever done that before?

An All-Star.... Eh, its a stretch. I don't agree with four Hawks being on the squad and even though Kyle Korver is a valuable piece, I'm not sure I could call him a league all star. But I guess  in regards to his season it is nonetheless deserved.

I get the impression that the Silver admin is making a deliberate effort to make the game more about promoting team identity and less about marketing individual stars - similar to the NFL model.  The selection of all 5 Hawks starters as co-Player of the Month, and now putting a 4th player on the All-Star team as a commish's choice, seems like the league treating their kind of success very favorably.

...of course, maybe I'm just excited to finally break out an Adam Silver conspiracy theory.  We miss ya, David.

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He is certainly having a pretty insane year. I mean 50, 50, and 90...Has anyone ever done that before?

An All-Star.... Eh, its a stretch. I don't agree with four Hawks being on the squad and even though Kyle Korver is a valuable piece, I'm not sure I could call him a league all star. But I guess  in regards to his season it is nonetheless deserved.
No, I believe it would be the first 50-50-90 season if he can sustain it, which is basically the only justification for his selection.
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Re: Kyle Korver named to the All-Star game to replace Dwyane Wade ... really???
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2015, 10:37:09 PM »

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...of course, maybe I'm just excited to finally break out an Adam Silver conspiracy theory.  We miss ya, David.

You should do some research into how the apparent decrease in the value of home court advantage this season may be related to ref performance, which may be related to Silver replacing Stern.  Adam Silver may be part of a massive conspiracy involving the Bilderburg Group, the Stone Cutters, Opus Dei, the Skull and Bones fraternity, and the Elders of Zion in an attempt to create fairer games.
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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2015, 10:42:25 PM »

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I'm essentially copying and pasting something I wrote a while ago, but Korver's season is extraordinary. Consider:

(1) Korver is currently on pace to break the all-time NBA single-season record for TS% - and the current top 15 there is populated almost completely by centers who did nothing but dunk (Chandler, Gilmore, Chamberlain, Dawkins etc.).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ts_pct_season.html

(If you don't feel like clicking, Tyson Chandler is currently #1 at 0.708, and Korver is currently at 0.736. He's not just challenging the record, he's threatening to obliterate it).

(2) He's also challenging for the all-time single-season 3PT% record, which he already holds:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg3_pct_season.html

(He's at 0.528 and the record is 0.536)

But those numbers don't do his season justice. Every single other player who's shot similarly efficiently has been either a straight up dunker (a la Artis Gilmore), or a part-time, low-volume sharpshooter (a la Kerr or Legler).

As an example Korver's 3pt% this year is almost the best ever...and he's doing it at 3 times the shooting volume of his own prior record (5.7 attempts vs 2.1).

Indeed, no one else in the top 10 all-time got there by shooting more than 3.1 attempts per game. Most were shooting 1 or 2 threes per game in limited roles coming off the bench. (No one else in the top 10 was a starter except Schrempf, who shot <1 three per game and during the brief 94-96 period when the line was moved in).

Korver's doing it as a full-time player on one of the best teams in the league. He doesn't do a lot else, but compared to the rest of the guys on these lists he's Oscar Robertson.


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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2015, 10:46:56 PM »

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What guard in the East do you think should make it over him?
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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2015, 10:50:46 PM »

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Korver is an All-Star. His impact on a team offense is unbelievable. In my opinion the Hawks would show their true colors if not for him. He's having an all-time "stat sheet doesn't fully encompass how good he's been" season. When he steps on the floor, every opponent is watching him. When he shoots multiple defenders lunge at him as if he's about to commit murder. All that stuff and more create an abundance of open looks for his teammates.


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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2015, 11:05:58 PM »

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I don't have a big problem with it at all, but it seems awkward to me that a guy gets in for basically having a very efficient season. Ok, it's a historically efficient shooting season, but still.

Go look at Dennis Rodman stats and then look at how he went to two all star games.  I'm not saying two wrongs make a a right or that only guys that score a lot should get in, but I think there are a lot of players out there that are better than him

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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2015, 11:19:44 PM »

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For being efficient? Wow.

I'd take Brandon Knight or Nikola Vucevic over him. I have mad respect for how ridiculous Korver is shooting this year, but he's not an All-Star.
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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2015, 11:34:36 PM »

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He's turning 34 in a month, putting up a historic shooting season that's literally never been accomplished before at his volume, and this is probably the only All-Star game he'll ever make in his NBA career.  I don't have any problem with it.  Knight, Vucevic, and everyone else widely viewed as "snubs" will have plenty of opportunities in the future.

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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2015, 11:38:05 PM »

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One thing possibly giving Korver the edge over Knight that I haven't seen anybody talk about, the East already has 4 point guards on the roster (Wall, Lowry, Irving, Teague), has any All-Star team every had 5 players that play the same position (especially the more unambiguous positions like PG or C)?

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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2015, 11:39:08 PM »

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I don't have a big problem with it at all, but it seems awkward to me that a guy gets in for basically having a very efficient season. Ok, it's a historically efficient shooting season, but still.

Go look at Dennis Rodman stats and then look at how he went to two all star games.  I'm not saying two wrongs make a a right or that only guys that score a lot should get in, but I think there are a lot of players out there that are better than him

Funny you mention that, I was thinking also that Rodman is probably the best analogy, in terms of being historically good but in a pretty unusual (or one-dimensional) way.


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« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2015, 11:46:01 PM »

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I don't have a big problem with it at all, but it seems awkward to me that a guy gets in for basically having a very efficient season. Ok, it's a historically efficient shooting season, but still.

Go look at Dennis Rodman stats and then look at how he went to two all star games.  I'm not saying two wrongs make a a right or that only guys that score a lot should get in, but I think there are a lot of players out there that are better than him

Funny you mention that, I was thinking also that Rodman is probably the best analogy, in terms of being historically good but in a pretty unusual (or one-dimensional) way.
I partly thought of it because of the comments about being game changing and doing things nobody sees

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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2015, 11:49:56 PM »

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korver's shooting has been probably one of the greatest shooting seasons in history in terms of efficiency

but i feel he doesnt really fit the all star game mold
hes not very flashy which sort a hurts in terms of entertainment value cuz the ASG is pretty much a fun playground style showcase
he doesnt really do much in any other category to warrant selection as stated by the OP his ppg, rpg, apg, spg, bpg are all average or below average

does he deserve to be a starter in the league = yes he does, hands down. he is a major part of the hawks offense even though he only has few touches, by forcing wing defenders to stay on him and not help out and double team millsap, teague or horford

i think his selection into the ASG shows that the criteria has perhaps changed - with more emphasis on winning rather than high stats on bad teams

or it could reflect the lack of talent in the east
i mean who do u select if not Korver = brandon knight (his team is barely winning), vucevic (he has a losing record) or kevin love (having an off year)