#DeflateGate (Court of Appeals Reinstates Suspension)

[mef730]

Dumb question of the day: Is there any circumstances under which the Pats could get their draft picks returned?

Thanks,
Mike

[D.o.s.]

Probably not, no.

[GratefulCs]

I'm just curious, when are they going to start investigating Jerry Rice and what will his penalty be?

Mike

  Probably depends on whether or not he throws his phone in the microwave before he heads out to be interviewed.

always comes back to the phone


The nfl wins

[Fan from VT]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/opinions/dowd-nfl-brady-investigation/

[Jon]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/opinions/dowd-nfl-brady-investigation/

Seems like the tide is really turning on Goodell. Not only does it look like he will lose this, he might now lose his job.

Talk about ultimate vindication for the Pats.

Do they get the picks back if Goodell gets canned?

[steve]

Will the NFL take into account science when they measure the balls this season? Or will they open an investigation every time weather drops the PSI by .03?

This is a legitimate question because right now the NFL does NOT believe in science. So every football they will think has been illegally deflated by the team.

[GratefulCs]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/opinions/dowd-nfl-brady-investigation/

Seems like the tide is really turning on Goodell. Not only does it look like he will lose this, he might now lose his job.

Talk about ultimate vindication for the Pats.

Do they get the picks back if Goodell gets canned?

they should get the picks back. But that's a good question

[BballTim]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/opinions/dowd-nfl-brady-investigation/

  The nfl doesn't seem to be faring too well in this, but the author of the article seems pretty clueless. First of all, I'm not sure why so many people think "I don't need to personally examine your phone, I just want some data that's stored on it" means "go ahead and destroy the phone (and the data on it), I don't mind". I'd guess I shouldn't be surprised that many of those same people think that supplying someone with a list of who you sent texts to counts as fully cooperating with a request for the content of some texts.

  Also, while it's easy to buy Brady's claim that he'd have turned over his phone if he knew he might get punished if he didn't, and it's easy to believe that he wasn't going to turn over his texts and emails because of the precedent that it would set for other players, it's kind of a stretch to believe them both.

[Jon]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/opinions/dowd-nfl-brady-investigation/

  The nfl doesn't seem to be faring too well in this, but the author of the article seems pretty clueless. First of all, I'm not sure why so many people think "I don't need to personally examine your phone, I just want some data that's stored on it" means "go ahead and destroy the phone (and the data on it), I don't mind". I'd guess I shouldn't be surprised that many of those same people think that supplying someone with a list of who you sent texts to counts as fully cooperating with a request for the content of some texts.

  Also, while it's easy to buy Brady's claim that he'd have turned over his phone if he knew he might get punished if he didn't, and it's easy to believe that he wasn't going to turn over his texts and emails because of the precedent that it would set for other players, it's kind of a stretch to believe them both.

That may all be true from a theoretical standpoint, but if you are the disciplinarian in a case and don't clearly make your expectations clear, then you are to blame.

And I don't blame Brady for destroying his phone. Of the emails he released, several are already all over the Internet (the pool cover, messages about his oldest son, comments about Peyton). God know what would have come out about his personal life of the NFL (who already has leaked numerous things) had gotten hold of it.

[Moranis]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/opinions/dowd-nfl-brady-investigation/

  The nfl doesn't seem to be faring too well in this, but the author of the article seems pretty clueless. First of all, I'm not sure why so many people think "I don't need to personally examine your phone, I just want some data that's stored on it" means "go ahead and destroy the phone (and the data on it), I don't mind". I'd guess I shouldn't be surprised that many of those same people think that supplying someone with a list of who you sent texts to counts as fully cooperating with a request for the content of some texts.

  Also, while it's easy to buy Brady's claim that he'd have turned over his phone if he knew he might get punished if he didn't, and it's easy to believe that he wasn't going to turn over his texts and emails because of the precedent that it would set for other players, it's kind of a stretch to believe them both.

That may all be true from a theoretical standpoint, but if you are the disciplinarian in a case and don't clearly make your expectations clear, then you are to blame.

And I don't blame Brady for destroying his phone. Of the emails he released, several are already all over the Internet (the pool cover, messages about his oldest son, comments about Peyton). God know what would have come out about his personal life of the NFL (who already has leaked numerous things) had gotten hold of it.

You know you have to cooperate.  You know you didn't fully cooperate.  They shouldn't have to tell you if you don't turn something over you will be punished.  It is implied.  It would be different if he was told if you don't turn them over you won't be punished, but that didn't happen here the NFL just didn't say he would.

[BballTim]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/opinions/dowd-nfl-brady-investigation/

  The nfl doesn't seem to be faring too well in this, but the author of the article seems pretty clueless. First of all, I'm not sure why so many people think "I don't need to personally examine your phone, I just want some data that's stored on it" means "go ahead and destroy the phone (and the data on it), I don't mind". I'd guess I shouldn't be surprised that many of those same people think that supplying someone with a list of who you sent texts to counts as fully cooperating with a request for the content of some texts.

  Also, while it's easy to buy Brady's claim that he'd have turned over his phone if he knew he might get punished if he didn't, and it's easy to believe that he wasn't going to turn over his texts and emails because of the precedent that it would set for other players, it's kind of a stretch to believe them both.

That may all be true from a theoretical standpoint, but if you are the disciplinarian in a case and don't clearly make your expectations clear, then you are to blame.

And I don't blame Brady for destroying his phone. Of the emails he released, several are already all over the Internet (the pool cover, messages about his oldest son, comments about Peyton). God know what would have come out about his personal life of the NFL (who already has leaked numerous things) had gotten hold of it.

  I think that would be a solid argument for not handing over his phone to let the investigators rummage through all of his personal texts and emails. They sought to alleviate those concerns by having Brady's team go through the data on the phone and only turn over the relevant texts, and they seemed to be pretty clear in what they were asking for.

[BudweiserCeltic]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/opinions/dowd-nfl-brady-investigation/

  The nfl doesn't seem to be faring too well in this, but the author of the article seems pretty clueless. First of all, I'm not sure why so many people think "I don't need to personally examine your phone, I just want some data that's stored on it" means "go ahead and destroy the phone (and the data on it), I don't mind". I'd guess I shouldn't be surprised that many of those same people think that supplying someone with a list of who you sent texts to counts as fully cooperating with a request for the content of some texts.

  Also, while it's easy to buy Brady's claim that he'd have turned over his phone if he knew he might get punished if he didn't, and it's easy to believe that he wasn't going to turn over his texts and emails because of the precedent that it would set for other players, it's kind of a stretch to believe them both.

That may all be true from a theoretical standpoint, but if you are the disciplinarian in a case and don't clearly make your expectations clear, then you are to blame.

And I don't blame Brady for destroying his phone. Of the emails he released, several are already all over the Internet (the pool cover, messages about his oldest son, comments about Peyton). God know what would have come out about his personal life of the NFL (who already has leaked numerous things) had gotten hold of it.

  I think that would be a solid argument for not handing over his phone to let the investigators rummage through all of his personal texts and emails. They sought to alleviate those concerns by having Brady's team go through the data on the phone and only turn over the relevant texts, and they seemed to be pretty clear in what they were asking for.

That's not enough, as even the most limited scope of texts are susceptible to being leaked.

[BballTim]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/opinions/dowd-nfl-brady-investigation/

  The nfl doesn't seem to be faring too well in this, but the author of the article seems pretty clueless. First of all, I'm not sure why so many people think "I don't need to personally examine your phone, I just want some data that's stored on it" means "go ahead and destroy the phone (and the data on it), I don't mind". I'd guess I shouldn't be surprised that many of those same people think that supplying someone with a list of who you sent texts to counts as fully cooperating with a request for the content of some texts.

  Also, while it's easy to buy Brady's claim that he'd have turned over his phone if he knew he might get punished if he didn't, and it's easy to believe that he wasn't going to turn over his texts and emails because of the precedent that it would set for other players, it's kind of a stretch to believe them both.

That may all be true from a theoretical standpoint, but if you are the disciplinarian in a case and don't clearly make your expectations clear, then you are to blame.

And I don't blame Brady for destroying his phone. Of the emails he released, several are already all over the Internet (the pool cover, messages about his oldest son, comments about Peyton). God know what would have come out about his personal life of the NFL (who already has leaked numerous things) had gotten hold of it.

  I think that would be a solid argument for not handing over his phone to let the investigators rummage through all of his personal texts and emails. They sought to alleviate those concerns by having Brady's team go through the data on the phone and only turn over the relevant texts, and they seemed to be pretty clear in what they were asking for.

That's not enough, as even the most limited scope of texts are susceptible to being leaked.

  Texts relevant to whether the balls were deflated are more susceptible to being part of the final report. The texts and emails that are related to Brady's personal life (i.e. what wasn't asked for) are what would be more likely to be "leaked".

[Csfan1984]

I don't know how much of this really matters in the, "they cheated" debate. If the appeal process is what is being appealed then the NFL and Pats haters have already won their victory. Even if Brady gets no games the Wells report (though bogus), Vincent and Goddell (the league office) have all decided Pats and Brady cheated. The league will stick with the claim as badly as Mortenson has stuck with his first report. There is no way the haters or uninformed  masses get by those judgments like the masses that have no clue on spygate. They will see this appeal like AP, Hardy, and Rice appeals as simply get your punishment reduced. Patriots lost this national debate no matter what.

[nickagneta]

If the new standards for checking balls being properly inflated and documented before the game and at half, creates data which show cold weather environments deflate footballs in the same range that the Pateiots balls deflated, the league is going to look absolutely foolish. By the same token the opposite can happen and confirm Brady was guilty. In this  circumstance the league has more to lose than Brady. Brady is already perceived as guilty around most of the country. Confirmation of Brady's guilt would mean little to most people.

But if the NFL has data that shows this was a witchhunt, is the league going to give back the Pats million dollars, the NFLPA's money spent on defending Brady, Brady for retaining Lessler, and the US Court system for bringing forth a frivolous case and will the Pats get their draft picks back?

I think we all know the answer to that question.