#DeflateGate (Court of Appeals Reinstates Suspension)

[Evantime34]

With regards to the jets game what about the text to his wife where he says, they were at 16, they were supposed to be at 13.  Are we to believe be lied to his wife?  What was his motivation for lying to his wife via text. 

This also comes after the deflator text.

I'm confused. In the appeal testimony Brady said he had never known the PSI rule until after the Jets game, because that is when the equipment guy looked it up for him. So him texting his wife that they were at 16 and should have been at 13 doesn't seem like he was lying about anything.

It seems pretty beyond belief that Brady wouldn't know the PSI requirement without being seriously affected by the brain damage that comes with playing professional football.

He does not appear to be suffering from that to this point. Would you agree?

Him saying he didn't know the exact number early last season before all this started isn't ridiculous. I'm sure there are very few basketball players who know what the legal psi for a basketball is.

Considering Brady showed the refs what the rule was, indicates that the refs didn't know what the rule was at that point either. So no I can't fault him for not knowing a requirement the refs weren't sure as to the specifics of.

[D.o.s.]

Fair point.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I don't remember, but I glazed over in my own readings of the transcripts etc. after a certain point.

Maybe someone else knows?

Don't remember either, but I seem to recall an exchange about him asking what the rule said and then he subsequently asking for them to show the rules to refs, etc.

Might be wrong, but there's so much garbage around hard to find the details.

[Evantime34]

Fair point.

I'm a die hard Pats fan and I think the Pats certainly did something wrong.

My issue is that this was a minor rule that no one knew (apparently not even the refs) or cared about that was punished as if it was something much worse. The commissioner acted unfairly in the first place and acted even more unfairly during the appeal. All the while spreading lies in the media to make things look worse.

I'm tired of having to hear about how bad of cheaters the Patriots are when the infraction that was committed usually only incurs a small fine.

BTW tp for the response, getting something like that on celticsblog is rare and I kind of don't know what to do.

[cometboy]

Fair point.

I'm a die hard Pats fan and I think the Pats certainly did something wrong.

My issue is that this was a minor rule that no one knew (apparently not even the refs) or cared about that was punished as if it was something much worse. The commissioner acted unfairly in the first place and acted even more unfairly during the appeal. All the while spreading lies in the media to make things look worse.

I'm tired of having to hear about how bad of cheaters the Patriots are when the infraction that was committed usually only incurs a small fine.

BTW tp for the response, getting something like that on celticsblog is rare and I kind of don't know what to do.

well said

[Rondo2287]

Fair point.

I'm a die hard Pats fan and I think the Pats certainly did something wrong.

My issue is that this was a minor rule that no one knew (apparently not even the refs) or cared about that was punished as if it was something much worse. The commissioner acted unfairly in the first place and acted even more unfairly during the appeal. All the while spreading lies in the media to make things look worse.

I'm tired of having to hear about how bad of cheaters the Patriots are when the infraction that was committed usually only incurs a small fine.

BTW tp for the response, getting something like that on celticsblog is rare and I kind of don't know what to do.

your point was way off base.... 

(happy now?)

[D.o.s.]

Fair point.

I'm a die hard Pats fan and I think the Pats certainly did something wrong.

My issue is that this was a minor rule that no one knew (apparently not even the refs) or cared about that was punished as if it was something much worse. The commissioner acted unfairly in the first place and acted even more unfairly during the appeal. All the while spreading lies in the media to make things look worse.

I'm tired of having to hear about how bad of cheaters the Patriots are when the infraction that was committed usually only incurs a small fine.

BTW tp for the response, getting something like that on celticsblog is rare and I kind of don't know what to do.

It's not really that rare when we actually have things to talk about. Offseason makes everyone a little testy.

In general I think the league treats their players and fans like absolute garbage in pretty much every aspect of their careers and I very much enjoy watching this aspect of the NFL be brought to light, especially when it's something mundane like the PSI of a football.

[Roy H.]

I wonder if Brady had turned over his phone and there were no [dang]ing texts, whether the NFL would have given him any punishment.

Maybe not, but then the NFL would have set a precedent where they can demand a player turn over there phone to investigate any infraction.

I don't buy the "precedent" thing.  Richie Incognito turned over his cell phone.  That didn't create a precedent where Brady was forced to turn over his.

[Rondo2287]

I wonder if Brady had turned over his phone and there were no [dang]ing texts, whether the NFL would have given him any punishment.

Maybe not, but then the NFL would have set a precedent where they can demand a player turn over there phone to investigate any infraction.

I don't buy the "precedent" thing.  Richie Incognito turned over his cell phone.  That didn't create a precedent where Brady was forced to turn over his.

Didn't Wells say it was the worst move he has seen in 50 years in part because he had no problem getting the dolphin's cell phones?

[Roy H.]

I wonder if Brady had turned over his phone and there were no [dang]ing texts, whether the NFL would have given him any punishment.

Maybe not, but then the NFL would have set a precedent where they can demand a player turn over there phone to investigate any infraction.

I don't buy the "precedent" thing.  Richie Incognito turned over his cell phone.  That didn't create a precedent where Brady was forced to turn over his.

Didn't Wells say it was the worst move he has seen in 50 years in part because he had no problem getting the dolphin's cell phones?

I don't think he linked those two things.  I know he said that it was a poor decision because not turning over the requested documents instantly damaged Brady's credibility.

Regardless, though, there's no precedent.  Brady obviously didn't feel pressured to turn over his phone just because Incognito had.

[Evantime34]

I wonder if Brady had turned over his phone and there were no [dang]ing texts, whether the NFL would have given him any punishment.

Maybe not, but then the NFL would have set a precedent where they can demand a player turn over there phone to investigate any infraction.

I don't buy the "precedent" thing.  Richie Incognito turned over his cell phone.  That didn't create a precedent where Brady was forced to turn over his.

I guess but at the same time Brady's name carries a lot more weight. It's much easier for the NFL to convince a player to turn over his phone because Brady did it than to say well this second rung lineman one time gave us your phone so you should too.

With all the leaks that the NFL has been behind lately would you trust them with your phone? One that I'm assuming has naked pictures of your Super Model wife on them?

If you were Brady's counsel would you have told him to hand over your phone?

[Evantime34]

Fair point.

I'm a die hard Pats fan and I think the Pats certainly did something wrong.

My issue is that this was a minor rule that no one knew (apparently not even the refs) or cared about that was punished as if it was something much worse. The commissioner acted unfairly in the first place and acted even more unfairly during the appeal. All the while spreading lies in the media to make things look worse.

I'm tired of having to hear about how bad of cheaters the Patriots are when the infraction that was committed usually only incurs a small fine.

BTW tp for the response, getting something like that on celticsblog is rare and I kind of don't know what to do.

It's not really that rare when we actually have things to talk about. Offseason makes everyone a little testy.

In general I think the league treats their players and fans like absolute garbage in pretty much every aspect of their careers and I very much enjoy watching this aspect of the NFL be brought to light, especially when it's something mundane like the PSI of a football.

It's sad because they have a product that people love and it seems like at every turn they are doing something to hurt their brand.

Even though the NFL is making a record amount of money I still think they should force Goodell out. In my opinion all of the money being made by the NFL would have still been made without him and I wouldn't feel like I need a cold shower after saying I support the NFL.

[BballTim]

So right now, I think the only thing that people can reasonably accuse the patriots of is acting guilty in certain circumstances 

Luckily acting guilty doesn't mean you did it.

  You have the possibility that the patriots did something against the rules followed by all that acting guilty though. You can't be overly surprised by the conclusions people are coming to.

[Rondo2287]

So right now, I think the only thing that people can reasonably accuse the patriots of is acting guilty in certain circumstances 

Luckily acting guilty doesn't mean you did it.

  You have the possibility that the patriots did something against the rules followed by all that acting guilty though. You can't be overly surprised by the conclusions people are coming to.

I can when the overwhelming evidence shows they didn't do anything

[Roy H.]

I wonder if Brady had turned over his phone and there were no [dang]ing texts, whether the NFL would have given him any punishment.

Maybe not, but then the NFL would have set a precedent where they can demand a player turn over there phone to investigate any infraction.

I don't buy the "precedent" thing.  Richie Incognito turned over his cell phone.  That didn't create a precedent where Brady was forced to turn over his.

I guess but at the same time Brady's name carries a lot more weight. It's much easier for the NFL to convince a player to turn over his phone because Brady did it than to say well this second rung lineman one time gave us your phone so you should too.

With all the leaks that the NFL has been behind lately would you trust them with your phone? One that I'm assuming has naked pictures of your Super Model wife on them?

The phone, no.  Transcripts of texts that his attorney reviewed?  Yes.

If you were Brady's counsel would you have told him to hand over your phone?

Well, first the obvious part:  it depends upon what was on the phone.  If it established guilt, then probably not.  If there was something clearly exonerating him, then probably so.

I think the request to have Brady's attorney provide a transcript of those texts that were responsive to the inquiry was extremely reasonable. 

Also, I certainly wouldn't have told Brady to destroy his phone.