#DeflateGate (Court of Appeals Reinstates Suspension)

[Fan from VT]

With regards to the jets game what about the text to his wife where he says, they were at 16, they were supposed to be at 13.  Are we to believe be lied to his wife?  What was his motivation for lying to his wife via text. 

This also comes after the deflator text.

This is what keeps drivingme crazy. In this caseit keeps seeming that absence of evidence is interpreted as proof of conspiracy and cover up. Any inconsistency or not knowing exactly what you did when is proof of lying (rather than, say, the natural tendency to forget specifics when you are doing innocent things that someone then later asks you to recall). And yet, the only concrete things, like the specific mention of 13 psi, is ignored. Why?

[JSD]

At the AFC Championship, the Patriots presented the footballs at the lowest point possible (12.5 PSI) then the cold air dropped the levels slightly. All this other stuff is unsubstantiated nonsense rooted in jealousy (teams) and supported by a league more concerned about public perception than doing the right thing.

Has anyone listened to the Serial Podcast? If not, I highly recommend it. Anyway, in the first episode they discuss recollection and the difficulties of recalling even the bigger of details days after the fact. I could quiz anyone reading this about what they did, in detail, say, on July 28th,  and every one of you would get things wrong. Especially minor details like where a stall was in a bathroom. Who cares? Did he bring the balls in the bathroom to deflate the balls or take a pee? He took a pee.

[JSD]

With regards to the jets game what about the text to his wife where he says, they were at 16, they were supposed to be at 13.  Are we to believe be lied to his wife?  What was his motivation for lying to his wife via text. 

This also comes after the deflator text.

This is what keeps drivingme crazy. In this caseit keeps seeming that absence of evidence is interpreted as proof of conspiracy and cover up. Any inconsistency or not knowing exactly what you did when is proof of lying (rather than, say, the natural tendency to forget specifics when you are doing innocent things that someone then later asks you to recall). And yet, the only concrete things, like the specific mention of 13 psi, is ignored. Why?

TP. How some smart and rational people are viewing this situation just totally baffles me.

Roy H. if this was criminal, the case would have been thrown out at the complaint hearing.

[Moranis]

At the AFC Championship, the Patriots presented the footballs at the lowest point possible (12.5 PSI) then the cold air dropped the levels slightly. All this other stuff is unsubstantiated nonsense rooted in jealousy (teams) and supported by a league more concerned about public perception than doing the right thing.

Has anyone listened to the Serial Podcast? If not, I highly recommend it. Anyway, in the first episode they discuss recollection and the difficulties of recalling even the bigger of details days after the fact. I could quiz anyone reading this about what they did, in detail, on July 28th and everyone of you when get things wrongs. Especially minor details like where a stall was in a bathroom. Who cares? Did he bring the balls in the bathroom to deflate the balls or take a pee? He took a pee.

The thing is, all he had to do was say I went in there to take a pee.  And if asked a direct question, he could have said I don't remember if it was a urinal or toilet, it was awhile ago.  One of the first things I tell every person about to be deposed or questioned under oath is that if you are going to say anything, make sure you know it for sure.  Don't guess, don't infer, if you don't know say you don't remember.  Much better answer than saying things that aren't true because it makes you look like a liar, even if it was an honest mistake.

[Rondo2287]

So right now, I think the only thing that people can reasonably accuse the patriots of is acting guilty in certain circumstances 

Luckily acting guilty doesn't mean you did it. 

[footey]

I wonder if Brady had turned over his phone and there were no [dang]ing texts, whether the NFL would have given him any punishment. 

[Evantime34]

I wonder if Brady had turned over his phone and there were no [dang]ing texts, whether the NFL would have given him any punishment.

Maybe not, but then the NFL would have set a precedent where they can demand a player turn over there phone to investigate any infraction.

[Celtics4ever]

Roy H. if this was criminal, the case would have been thrown out at the complaint hearing.

It is not criminal, it is the NFL and what the commissioner says is the law.  The problem is, that people cannot separate in their minds that is it a sport preceding not a criminal one.  Here is a great example of sports over legal.

Shoeless Joe Jackson batted .375 in the Black Sox Scandal Series.

During the series, Jackson had 12 hits (a Series record) and a .375 batting average—leading individual statistics for both teams. He committed no errors and threw out a runner at the plate.[13]

Despite a lot of evidence that he played well that series he was still lumped in with the others and tossed out of baseball forever.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoeless_Joe_Jackson 

In short, this is not a legal matter.  Roger Goodell can do whatever he wants as long as the owners support him.   You really think, other the other owner want to bail out Kraft, they probably love this folks.  There is no day in court and due process.

[Evantime34]

With regards to the jets game what about the text to his wife where he says, they were at 16, they were supposed to be at 13.  Are we to believe be lied to his wife?  What was his motivation for lying to his wife via text. 

This also comes after the deflator text.

I'm confused. In the appeal testimony Brady said he had never known the PSI rule until after the Jets game, because that is when the equipment guy looked it up for him. So him texting his wife that they were at 16 and should have been at 13 doesn't seem like he was lying about anything.

[Smokeeye123]

The fact you see that as making him less than honest says more about your position than his honesty

No.  I think that anybody with common sense knows the difference between a toilet and a urinal.  The "I didn't pay attention to whether it was a urinal or a toilet" doesn't ring true at all to me.  Every man who has ever used one knows that there's a difference; you're not going to get them confused because you weren't "paying attention".

I would expect that people who accept that testimony as credible are also the type that accept that the nickname "deflator" was in reference to weight loss.

If there was a sink on the right I'd be more inclined to call the guy[ a liar.

My educated guess is that you would then posit that people get their left from their right mixed up frequently, and that the contradictory testimony means very little.

Wasnt he interviewed like 3-4 weeks after the incident? He goes to different stadiums and facilities every day so I dont think it's that crazy of an idea he didnt remember what he used to take a leak.

The deflator text is [dang]ing though.

[D.o.s.]

With regards to the jets game what about the text to his wife where he says, they were at 16, they were supposed to be at 13.  Are we to believe be lied to his wife?  What was his motivation for lying to his wife via text. 

This also comes after the deflator text.

I'm confused. In the appeal testimony Brady said he had never known the PSI rule until after the Jets game, because that is when the equipment guy looked it up for him. So him texting his wife that they were at 16 and should have been at 13 doesn't seem like he was lying about anything.

It seems pretty beyond belief that Brady wouldn't know the PSI requirement without being seriously affected by the brain damage that comes with playing professional football.

He does not appear to be suffering from that to this point. Would you agree?

[Roy H.]

Roy H. if this was criminal, the case would have been thrown out at the complaint hearing.

It's not criminal, though. The standard of proof is wildly different.

[BudweiserCeltic]

With regards to the jets game what about the text to his wife where he says, they were at 16, they were supposed to be at 13.  Are we to believe be lied to his wife?  What was his motivation for lying to his wife via text. 

This also comes after the deflator text.

I'm confused. In the appeal testimony Brady said he had never known the PSI rule until after the Jets game, because that is when the equipment guy looked it up for him. So him texting his wife that they were at 16 and should have been at 13 doesn't seem like he was lying about anything.

It seems pretty beyond belief that Brady wouldn't know the PSI requirement without being seriously affected by the brain damage that comes with playing professional football.

He does not appear to be suffering from that to this point. Would you agree?

Yet isn't there a text message from Brady proving that he didn't, since he was basically asking what they were, etc.?

[D.o.s.]

I don't remember, but I glazed over in my own readings of the transcripts etc. after a certain point.

Maybe someone else knows?

[green_bballers13]

I'll be honest here- as a Pats fan, I don't really mind all of this Deflategate crap. I actually like it.

Having watched the season, both playoff games and the Super Bowl, it was an incredibly emotional conclusion to the season (who didn't jump out of their seat when Butler intercepted Wilson?). While the 5th ring is huge for B&B's combined legacy, this may have been the year to relax, especially with a depleted secondary and continuing to grow with a young defense. Brady is 38 and looks like he can play through his mid-40's. No joke. If we assume that Brady has a superior diet/workout regime (which it appears he does), he could play for another 5+ years. Peyton Manning looks like his father out there, and he still will probably play for another 2-3 years.

5 years to get one more ring- I would understand if the Pats took the foot off the gas this year to prepare for next year. Then the rumblings happened that one fateful Sunday night in January.

Now that Brady/Belichick/Kraft have been through the ringer over the last half of a year, there's no relenting. They are going to pound teams. Remember the 52-7 win over the Redskins in 2007? 59-0 in the snow over the Titans in 2009? The Pats play both teams again this year, and this time it could get worse. The NFL just lit a fire under the one QB-coaching combo that has the ability to impose a crazy amount of football hurt on the rest of the league. Those 4 suspension games (still could get reduced) will pale in comparison to the focused lionesque plan of attack that the Patriots are going to bring this year.

While deflated footballs might shape a couple of opinions, the on-field product will impress a lot more. Patriots fans will be laughing about this in due time. We just need to weather the storm until the Stephen A. Smith's of the world focus on actual football, not politics. When that happens, there will be no doubt about Brady's legacy.