So sick of hearing about how BAD Avery Bradley is

[greenrunsdeep41]

Im constantly here reading about how awful Avery Bradley is. Its obnoxious. In my opinion he is a solid player who I could see being a very solid role player for a championship level team. With that said, id like to dedicate this post to those of you who are so unsatisfied and give you an opportunity to list and quantify players who you think are better players for similar money. Or just guys who you think would be better suited for this team. Give details.

[piercetruth34]

I agree.  Don't listen to people like that.  AB is a good player. HE also can improve. I'm not sure he sticks though but he might.  I really like AB though.  Too many people get hung up on meaningless stuff like contracts when they don't understand the Celtics just retained their player and have to pay someone.  Having that contract and retaining a young solid hardworking player like AB is fine.

I am so glad people like that aren't GM's as well and never would go near my team as well b ecause they are petty.  It's more just about AB improving, playing well and helping his teammates. 

Ainge is not forced to do anything regarding players.   

[TheTruthFot18]

The argument on this board is ~90% because of his contract which I understand. Personally I like AB and wanted him back but $8mil is too much. 5-6 would have been better but I like what he does; provides in your face defense and is not afraid to shoot (which is lacking on this team).

Not to mention he could end up being a bargain with the new salary cap situation. Not like we went all in on Melo since I bet a lot of the people bashing AB would've given Melo anything to come here.

[piercetruth34]

I'd rather have AB than not.  I'm glad he is shooting more too now.  He's not quite as good as Jeff Green as a #1 option but improving his game nonetheless. NEitehr guy is a #1 option that's the whole thing but if AB can improve that's good.

My main concern with him is Young might actually be more efficient ultimately.  Bradley is good with his D and can hit shots though but he is somewhat of a volume shooter and bricklayer in ways.  He can hit shots though.  He also doesn't do a ton elsewhere.

Tommy is right that AB needs to be more aggressive taking the ball the basket working off cuts etc and being a more well rounded offensive player.

[HomerSapien]

AB isn't a bad player and he's shown improvement this year, and I expect will do so next year as well.  His contract extension IS a bit of an overpay however.  My biggest issues with Avery are, A) he definitely appears to be an SG, as opposed to a combo guard, and B) he's too short to be a pure SG.  I just think this limits his effectiveness.

Guys I'd rather have that have signed similar contracts are (not rookie deals, but extensions/FA deals):
Jeff Teague
Kyle Korver
Gerald Henderson (maybe)
Monte Ellis
Aaron Afflalo
JJ Redick
Jrue Holiday
Goran Dragic
Darren Collison
Greivis Vasquez (maybe)

Ultimately, I'm glad Ainge kept Bradley because I'd rather have talent than not, and he has continued to improve but wish Danny had let him test RFA and hopefully matched a $6-7M per year offer sheet as opposed to the 4/$32M.

[sahara]

Thank you for this. I am about to ditch this forum because of the negativity.

"Jeff Green is a scrub, he wouldn´t do crap for a contender"

[Atzar]

Thank you for this. I am about to ditch this forum because of the negativity.

"Jeff Green is a scrub, he wouldn´t do crap for a contender"

Admittedly the constant negativity is a major reason why I don't post here very often anymore.  I know this is a tough time, but much of this criticism falls somewhere between ridiculous and unreasonable.

[Sketch5]

AB is a solid player, and so far this season he's been pretty healthy which is why I didn't like the contract to begin with. But in a couple years when the Cap goes up, his contract will be a bargain, closer to the 5-6 mill that people wanted under todays Cap.

Problem is he would be a better guard coming off the bench where untraditional players are better suited. I don't know if he would be okay next season coming off the bench if Young improves enough.

I wouldn't be surprised if he gets moved by the deadline or during the summer along with a pick or two, he's become valuable enough to move in that kind of deal.

[jyyzzoel]

dude avery is not a starting caliber shooting guard in the nba. he does not deserve 8 mill a year. players i would rather have who are off their rookie contract (because being on their rookie contract the list would be huge) who getting paid less money. and btw not being as famous as avery is not the same as not being as good as avery so keep that in mind.

also some of these guys i would want to keep around for the long haul, some however are just on such good contracts i just cant pass them up even if they go for one or two years i'd play them, let them expire then do something else with the cap space:

kyle korver
sefolosha
jodie meeks
wesley mathews
grevis vasquez
lou williams
monta ellis
aaron afflalo
jj reddick
jamal crawford
courtney lee
kevin martin
goran dragic
gerald green
manu ginobilli
danny green

those are just the shooting guards who make as much, or less than avery (who are off their rookie deals) i would rather have on the team. if i was to tell you the guys of other positions who are better than avery getting paid the same or less, even if some are at the back end of their careers:

jeff teague
mike conley
pau gasol
taj gibson
brandon jennings
amir johnson
patrick patterson
paul pierce
kris humphries
dirk norwitzki
omer asik
isaiah thomas
robin lopez
darren collison

but really it would just be good to use the cap space on anyone else on a short term deal, not one that goes for 4 years. i would have paid him 4 mill. 5 mill max - and that's really pushing it if i was going all out to construct a championship team. but really, i would probably have just let walk or do a sign and trade for a washing machine. there are a lot of players who are just as effective who are on deals wayyyyy less than avery... if in doubt i could just sign a guy from europe for cheaper.

[CFAN38]

I agree AB is attached for the size of his deal. He is over payed by past standards but will be under payed half way thru this deal even if his play stays at its current level.

[Celticfan68]

Hello I am new here to the boards, but I have been reading on this site since 2005.  Anyways I am a big fan of players like Avery Bradley, to me it's important to have guys that get drafted and developed by the franchise.  You can't just have all stars on your roster, you need glue guys, plus he is still very young and improving every year IMO.  There are some great posters on this site, and I really like reading their stuff, however there are alot of GM's here, who if they ran this team, would have the C's in constant rebuilding mode for 20 years.  I still recall many berating Danny for choosing Rajon over the infamous Marcus Williams in 2006.  I have my opinions like every other Celtic fan, but in the end I choose to trust in Danny, because I don't know the first thing about being a GM in the NBA, and he has a Ring so I will defer to him 
Roger

[jambr380]

There are some very convincing reasons for why AB is a good fit and a good player for the Cs, but the major one against him is his contract.

The fact is, we are apparently trying to shed as much salary as possible and AB / Wallace are the main culprits left. If we want to try and sign some big FAs (D Jordan, Butler, Dragic, Monroe, etc), we are going to need as much cap space as possible. Avery is a very good player and one that most any team would love coming off the bench as the third guard, but as a core 'star' player, he doesn't quite cut it, and that is what we should be spending our cap space on.

[Scottie]

Thank you for this. I am about to ditch this forum because of the negativity.

"Jeff Green is a scrub, he wouldn´t do crap for a contender"

Admittedly the constant negativity is a major reason why I don't post here very often anymore.  I know this is a tough time, but much of this criticism falls somewhere between ridiculous and unreasonable.

Same...

[mctyson]

The argument on this board is ~90% because of his contract which I understand. Personally I like AB and wanted him back but $8mil is too much. 5-6 would have been better but I like what he does; provides in your face defense and is not afraid to shoot (which is lacking on this team).

Not to mention he could end up being a bargain with the new salary cap situation. Not like we went all in on Melo since I bet a lot of the people bashing AB would've given Melo anything to come here.

Another team would have taken him away if that's all he was offered.  Remember Tony Allen.

I am sure letting Tony Allen walk has haunted Danny for many days.  He was not going to let that happen again with AB - a slightly inferior. defensive talent with better offensive skills.

[GreenWarrior]

I would have no problem with Bradley if he would stop taking contested shots early in the shot clock, while he does make a good amount of these, they don't fall in crunch time.

and while he has improved offensively I do believe it's been at the expense of his defense. I don't like the trade off much.

throw all that in with the contract and well I can't say i'm much of a fan