How is Danny Ainge different from Sam Hinkie?

[SHAQATTACK]

Well.....Danny has dumped all the talent from the team .

I d say he pretty much is betting his picks and luck will save his job .

It come to that .

[Celtics18]

Because Ainge got more picks?

Honestly, you make a good point. I dont know the answer to this. I'm interested in what everyone is going to say.

Much better quality in addition to quantity. Sixers were selling off their vets for pennies on the dollar just to be bad. Danny has been getting much better value for his players, and he did the trades to get more assets rather than just to tank and be bad. I think there's a big difference between the picks Danny has attained and the 2nd rounders Hinkie settled for.

EDIT: I forgot about the Holiday trade. He did get good value for that one.

Joel Embiid, Nerlens Noel, Dario Saric, Michael Carter-Williams, Tony Wroten . . . plus, the picks they have (this year's guaranteed to be high lottery again).

I'd say the Sixers are ahead of us in the rebuild. 

[MBunge]

Because Ainge got more picks?

Honestly, you make a good point. I dont know the answer to this. I'm interested in what everyone is going to say.

Much better quality in addition to quantity. Sixers were selling off their vets for pennies on the dollar just to be bad. Danny has been getting much better value for his players, and he did the trades to get more assets rather than just to tank and be bad. I think there's a big difference between the picks Danny has attained and the 2nd rounders Hinkie settled for.

EDIT: I forgot about the Holiday trade. He did get good value for that one.

Joel Embiid, Nerlens Noel, Dario Saric, Michael Carter-Williams, Tony Wroten . . . plus, the picks they have (this year's guaranteed to be high lottery again).

I'd say the Sixers are ahead of us in the rebuild.

MCW has a PER this season of 11.2.
Marcus Smart has a PER of 11.

Noel has a rookie PER of 10.2.
I think Sully's PER as a rookie was 13.5.

Two of the guys you mention haven't played a minute in the NBA and could be complete busts.

Wroten is the only guy you mention that might be better than somebody on Boston's roster.  Is he worth throwing two entire seasons away?

Mike

[Celtics18]

Because Ainge got more picks?

Honestly, you make a good point. I dont know the answer to this. I'm interested in what everyone is going to say.

Much better quality in addition to quantity. Sixers were selling off their vets for pennies on the dollar just to be bad. Danny has been getting much better value for his players, and he did the trades to get more assets rather than just to tank and be bad. I think there's a big difference between the picks Danny has attained and the 2nd rounders Hinkie settled for.

EDIT: I forgot about the Holiday trade. He did get good value for that one.

Joel Embiid, Nerlens Noel, Dario Saric, Michael Carter-Williams, Tony Wroten . . . plus, the picks they have (this year's guaranteed to be high lottery again).

I'd say the Sixers are ahead of us in the rebuild.

MCW has a PER this season of 11.2.
Marcus Smart has a PER of 11.

Noel has a rookie PER of 10.2.
I think Sully's PER as a rookie was 13.5.

Two of the guys you mention haven't played a minute in the NBA and could be complete busts.

Wroten is the only guy you mention that might be better than somebody on Boston's roster.  Is he worth throwing two entire seasons away?

Mike

Every single one of our future draft picks "haven't played a minute in the NBA and could be complete busts."

I'm not willing to bet on which of the two teams will be the first to win the next NBA title, though.  There will simply be too many variables and changes with each franchise over the course of the next twenty years to be able to make any kind of educated guess either way. 

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I thought this was about the difference between the approach of the two? How is it now about who picked better (when Danny was picking mid to late and Hinkie had top picks anyway)?

You can't really argue picks anyway b/c 6ers started tanking long before we did. Now, a few years from now we can argue who did it better.

The only asset you can say Hinkie got for his players is Noel, I agree that was a nice get for Holiday. Other than that, he just cleaned house. You can't even really argue that he cleaned house to lose b/c they sucked b4 they sent those players out.

Ultimately, we will see who did it better but you definitely can't say who right now.

Edit:

I'd say we started tanking from go last season (my denial has ended). So, it's really, Ko+Smart+Young+Colton (he's a buy so I'm not sure he counts) Vs. MCW+Noel+Embiid so far. I truly don't believe we were set to tank even after we didn't get Love this season, we only decided to sometime before we got rid of RR b/c we weren't as good as they hoped we would be (in the terrible East).

I still don't think you can say who won until we see everyone play. So again... more waiting...

[MBunge]

Because Ainge got more picks?

Honestly, you make a good point. I dont know the answer to this. I'm interested in what everyone is going to say.

Much better quality in addition to quantity. Sixers were selling off their vets for pennies on the dollar just to be bad. Danny has been getting much better value for his players, and he did the trades to get more assets rather than just to tank and be bad. I think there's a big difference between the picks Danny has attained and the 2nd rounders Hinkie settled for.

EDIT: I forgot about the Holiday trade. He did get good value for that one.

Joel Embiid, Nerlens Noel, Dario Saric, Michael Carter-Williams, Tony Wroten . . . plus, the picks they have (this year's guaranteed to be high lottery again).

I'd say the Sixers are ahead of us in the rebuild.

MCW has a PER this season of 11.2.
Marcus Smart has a PER of 11.

Noel has a rookie PER of 10.2.
I think Sully's PER as a rookie was 13.5.

Two of the guys you mention haven't played a minute in the NBA and could be complete busts.

Wroten is the only guy you mention that might be better than somebody on Boston's roster.  Is he worth throwing two entire seasons away?

Mike

Every single one of our future draft picks "haven't played a minute in the NBA and could be complete busts."

That's true, which is why no one is talking about them like they ar guaranteed superstars, unlike Embiid.

Mike

[Chris22]

How is Danny Ainge different than Sam Hinkie?

Danny Ainge has a championship ring.

[PickNRoll]

How is Danny Ainge different than Sam Hinkie?

Danny Ainge has a championship ring.

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[PickNRoll]

Because Ainge got more picks?

Honestly, you make a good point. I dont know the answer to this. I'm interested in what everyone is going to say.

Much better quality in addition to quantity. Sixers were selling off their vets for pennies on the dollar just to be bad. Danny has been getting much better value for his players, and he did the trades to get more assets rather than just to tank and be bad. I think there's a big difference between the picks Danny has attained and the 2nd rounders Hinkie settled for.

EDIT: I forgot about the Holiday trade. He did get good value for that one.

Joel Embiid, Nerlens Noel, Dario Saric, Michael Carter-Williams, Tony Wroten . . . plus, the picks they have (this year's guaranteed to be high lottery again).

I'd say the Sixers are ahead of us in the rebuild.

I think Embiid is going to be a good player, but  a couple years on I don't even think Noel was a good pick.  Mclemore, Giannis, Dieng, Gobert, Hardaway... even a guy like Shabazz Muhammad is putting up 16 and 5 on good efficiency lately.  I don't like Noel's game much at all.  I'm not saying all of these guys are better, but I'd rather have Gobert or Dieng and I'd have to think about the others.

[inverselock]

Hinkie traded:

Andre Iguodala, Maurice Harkless (E) / Moe Harkless (CBC CBS SN), Nikola Vucevic, first round pick (from 76ers, two years after 76ers convey first round pick to Heat from earlier trade, protected top 14 in 2015-16, top 11 in 2017, top 8 in 2018, thereafter 2018 and 2019 second round picks) (?-?)

for

Andrew Bynum, Jason Richardson

[banty19]

I like what the Sixers are doing but the difference is Danny actually has a rotation of NBA-caliber players drafted before the second round (except Phil Pressey).

The Sixers are basically Nerlens Noel, MCW, Embiid (not playing) and a roster full of second-round picks/undrafted free agents who are told to go and chuck 3s. The C's have a nucleus of:

Smart: High 1st
Bradley: Mid 1st
Olynyk: Mid 1st
Sullinger: Mid 1st
Turner: High 1st
Young: Mid 1st
Zeller: Mid 1st
Crowder: High 2nd

The Sixers only have 3 rotation players drafted in the 1st round.

Nerlens: High 1st
MCW: Mid 1st
Tony Wroten: Late 1st

The amount of undrafted players they give minutes to is a joke.