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Re: Austin Rivers
« Reply #210 on: May 09, 2015, 04:59:47 PM »

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So one good game and everyone is gushing over him? Don't forget he also had that bad turnover in game 2.
It's not exactly just one good game. He was very good in Game 4 vs. San Antonio (16 points on 7-8) and he played decently in Game 1 vs Houston (17 points with 4-6 from 3).

Eh, a few good games here and there aren't enough to sway me. I still find him a bad one dimensional player.

Re: Austin Rivers
« Reply #211 on: May 09, 2015, 05:28:31 PM »

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we should of kept Rivers imo.

CBS would of done the same thing Rivers is doing for his son

Re: Austin Rivers
« Reply #212 on: May 09, 2015, 05:39:32 PM »

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I don't think his dad will let  him to go away.
Kid is too young.

Re: Austin Rivers
« Reply #213 on: May 09, 2015, 05:44:32 PM »

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I'd be surprised if a team WOULDN'T give up a 2nd for Rivers.  He's bad, but he's not THAT bad.  He's like 22 years old and showing some progress.
I agree with what I said in January... He was 22 and showing some progress.  Still not blown away by him, but he's a young player with some potential.

Re: Austin Rivers
« Reply #214 on: May 09, 2015, 06:04:45 PM »

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It's a shame how fiercely judgemental people / "experts" and others are when it comes to these young guys.

What were they saying about Whiteside?

I was and still am confounded by the negativity on Austin at such a young age. Have we not learned that the NBA is super tough and some guys need time?

I'm not saying Austin is amazing .... but he's certainly proven he's nowhere close to the dog doo he's been characterized by many Internet experts (not even referring to Celticsblog).  The 2nd rounder didn't seem like much at the time. I'd rather have kept him to see what we had and have a chance at a cheap resign or for use in a summer trade bundle.

Re: Austin Rivers
« Reply #215 on: May 09, 2015, 06:23:22 PM »

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I had not comment about him figuring I did not watch him play hardly at all. I didn't understand why we gave him up to the Clips, seemed he was a young guy to take a look at. Seems like every time I see the Clips or a scoreboard he is doing pretty well. As this post points out all the experts on here said he sucks and can't play. Once again they are wrong.

Re: Austin Rivers
« Reply #216 on: May 10, 2015, 03:15:03 AM »

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I had not comment about him figuring I did not watch him play hardly at all. I didn't understand why we gave him up to the Clips, seemed he was a young guy to take a look at. Seems like every time I see the Clips or a scoreboard he is doing pretty well. As this post points out all the experts on here said he sucks and can't play. Once again they are wrong.

He's still a bad player, a few good games aren't enough to convince me. I'm happy that the Celtics got a second rounder.

Re: Austin Rivers
« Reply #217 on: May 10, 2015, 04:03:40 AM »

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Everybody can look good for a stretch of games.  I suspect the slightly better Austin Rivers we saw in LA during the regular season is closer to reality than the much better version we've seen in the playoffs.

It would be nice, however, if Rivers' performance would cool off some of the hot takes around here about how Player X sucks but Player Y is great.

Mike

I would say he's 22, and the final version of Austin Rivers has yet to be written.  What this stretch of games does is get him an opportunity to show what he can become for a few more years.

And what would really be nice is if Rivers improvement at the end of his third year actually cools down the talk of how Player X is a bust after his rookie or even sophomore year, or even just assume that what you see is what you get.  It won't, but people really need to realize how long it can take to adjust to the NBA, and how much growth can occur , especially in the years 3-5 stretch.

Re: Austin Rivers
« Reply #218 on: May 10, 2015, 04:06:44 AM »

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Tell that to the people who constantly criticize the Celtics young players. But I would like to see more games of Austin Rivers (yeah I know I'm repeating myself) before judging Danny for getting rid of him.

Re: Austin Rivers
« Reply #219 on: May 10, 2015, 04:09:18 AM »

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I'm happy for Doc and Austin. 

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Re: Austin Rivers
« Reply #220 on: May 10, 2015, 07:01:43 AM »

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So one good game and everyone is gushing over him? Don't forget he also had that bad turnover in game 2.
It's not exactly just one good game. He was very good in Game 4 vs. San Antonio (16 points on 7-8) and he played decently in Game 1 vs Houston (17 points with 4-6 from 3).

Eh, a few good games here and there aren't enough to sway me. I still find him a bad one dimensional player.

One dimensional? 
Have you watched him play ?
He's been attacking off the dribble, running the floor in fast breaks and draining threes.
Also been pretty solid defensively apart from his pick and roll coverage and tendency to over guard and get burned on the perimeter.
Has looked like a great move by Doc.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

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Re: Austin Rivers
« Reply #221 on: May 10, 2015, 08:03:54 AM »

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It's a shame how fiercely judgemental people / "experts" and others are when it comes to these young guys.

What were they saying about Whiteside?

I was and still am confounded by the negativity on Austin at such a young age. Have we not learned that the NBA is super tough and some guys need time?

I'm not saying Austin is amazing .... but he's certainly proven he's nowhere close to the dog doo he's been characterized by many Internet experts (not even referring to Celticsblog).  The 2nd rounder didn't seem like much at the time. I'd rather have kept him to see what we had and have a chance at a cheap resign or for use in a summer trade bundle.

There's not much room for middle ground for most online posters.  It's either "hate him" or "love him".  If you're not a star immediately, you're a bust.

While there are some players whose college careers will never translate to becoming a premier NBA talent, there are others who still need to be chiseled here and there, rough edges smoothed, flaws corrected, etc.  Sometimes these take years...but in our generation of "give me what I want yesterday", it's hard to afford them the time to reach their potential.

Enter Austin Rivers...how much of what we are seeing lately with him is his talent level and how much is his relationship with his dad?  We will see in the coming years.

I wish all NBA players, as I do all people, to be the best they can be...you look for the best in all people and express that to them, then that gives them incentive to reach that kind of goal.  It's how I can look at our mish mashed team of players and realizing...they ARE a team, and that gave them the success they had late in the year.

You're right...there is a lot of negativity.  Would that we could turn a switch and change that to positivity, across the Internet.  Think about all the good that would come of it.

Congrats Austin...keep up the good work...make your dad proud, and your mom too since it's Mother's day :)

Rak

Re: Austin Rivers
« Reply #222 on: May 10, 2015, 10:05:53 AM »

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The Pelicans and Celtic's talent evaluators both passed

Clippers took him because he was Docs kid and now he played well against a team without their starting point guard.

I would say that the Celtics made the right decision.

People must remember, 2 games do not make a prospect.

Is Rivers better than Isaiah Thomas or Bradley or Smart?  No, so he had no place and had to be traded or stashed in the D-League.

Also,

People have issues with Rivers because of more than just whether he is a talented prospect or a bust, his attitude is terrible.  He was **** at Duke and he rubs people and players the wrong way.

Even in Fridays game he was acting like **** again and this is from a guy who almost got cut or sent to the D-League and needed his dad to save him.

Austin Rivers has always been a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. and that has hurt his stock as well.  Watch him closely, you would think humility would be something he would of learned by now, but he hasnt.


Re: Austin Rivers
« Reply #223 on: May 10, 2015, 10:25:03 AM »

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I stand by my assessment that Austin Rivers isn't a good prospect.  Even though his numbers improved a bit in LA, he was still well below average, and his shooting efficiency placed him in the bottom 6% of all rotation players (1500+ minutes).

Being worse than 94% of the league at something as important as shooting generally makes you a pretty bad player.  And again, that's including his numbers after the trade, where he saw a slight bump.  Before the trade, he was possibly the worst rotation player in the entire NBA.


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Re: Austin Rivers
« Reply #224 on: May 10, 2015, 10:29:16 AM »

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I keep seeing references to people "gushing" over Rivers.  I don't think anything I read of the recent posts qualifies as gushing.  What we have seen is a player that many felt was a throw in bust turn into a legitimate NBA player that has helped a team win some playoff games.  At his current best he is just a rotation bench player but that is still a giant leap forward for him.

As for the trade from the Celtics, I think Danny made it happen as a favor to Doc.  Rivers wasn't really needed to make the Green trade work, they could have put that together around the main pieces any number of ways.  Once we had him, there wasn't a roster spot so someone had to go.  A second rounder is fine.

I bet even Danny is surprised at how well he has played though.