Sick of people saying Smart can't shoot.

[Celtics4ever]

When did people who actually played basketball really find their stroke for their high % shot? As in when were you $ shooting?  18 probably not given how the majority of college basketball players shoot. It's more like 23 or as late as 29 based off NBA (you know best players on the planet). Scoring using athletic ability and I.Q. is the only way to compensate early on in a career. In today's NBA no 20 year old PG under 6'4 will both mentally and physically dominate. Have patience on the scoring and shooting clearly the game of basketball requires it.

James Young has his stroke already, and he is younger than Smart, so much for your theory/post.   Some guys come into the league with a jumpshot and some do not, it's life.  Some guys never learn how to shoot, see Rondo.  This has nothing to do with hate.   Some people see reality and some people wear green shaded homer glass and are blinded by their love of the team.

During the early part of the season, his shooting was bad.   Excuses are like you know what and everyone has them.   He is a rookie, etc.   He did not demonstrate a high level of skill at shooting in college so I fully expected him to struggle.   He has shown some improvement as the season wears on, but he dug himself a big hole to climb out of folks.   

I think the kid will be ok.   He is a rookie, he plays hard, I think he has a tremendous work ethic and will practive a lot and improve.   Stevens said once, he thinks that Smart just needs repetitions on his shot.

[Csfan1984]

When did people who actually played basketball really find their stroke for their high % shot? As in when were you $ shooting?  18 probably not given how the majority of college basketball players shoot. It's more like 23 or as late as 29 based off NBA (you know best players on the planet). Scoring using athletic ability and I.Q. is the only way to compensate early on in a career. In today's NBA no 20 year old PG under 6'4 will both mentally and physically dominate. Have patience on the scoring and shooting clearly the game of basketball requires it.

James Young has his stroke already, and he is younger than Smart, so much for your theory/post.   Some guys come into the league with a jumpshot and some do not, it's life.  Some guys never learn how to shoot, see Rondo.  This has nothing to do with hate.   Some people see reality and some people wear green shaded homer glass and are blinded by their love of the team.

During the early part of the season, his shooting was bad.   Excuses are like you know what and everyone has them.   He is a rookie, etc.   He did not demonstrate a high level of skill at shooting in college so I fully expected him to struggle.   He has shown some improvement as the season wears on, but he dug himself a big hole to climb out of folks.   

I think the kid will be ok.   He is a rookie, he plays hard, I think he has a tremendous work ethic and will practive a lot and improve.   Stevens said once, he thinks that Smart just needs repetitions on his shot.

Lol look at the league not one player. If I was going to take rare cases I'd say oh what about Steph Curry smh.. It's the average player takes quite a while. It's not an argument it's a fact.

[Depalma2002]

He's never going to be a 25 PPG type of player. So if your heart is set on that type player, look elsewhere.

Smart will be a valuable player in that he's going to have so many "play's of the game" under his belt yearly.

Don't forget something, what's he played 20 games!

 

There are very few of those left in the league. I do think if Smart can eventually get 36-40 minutes per game he could easily be an 18-8 or even 20-10 guy. Depends on how well he develops and how much court time he gets.

Hope you're right, I haven't seen it yet, and I believe that if he's going to be that guy, we should have seen glimpses of it by now.

Why do we always boil a player's worth down to offensive stats?

Smart may never be an 18-8 guy, but if he becomes a 14-8 guy that is also a guy that turns the guy he's guarding into an 8pt 6 turnover guy, than I'll take him over many of these 18-8 guys.

[rollie mass]

The way marcus plays d ,we will be lucky if he survives,this kid is the mike tyson of defense at the moment.Avery has got to teach him some tricks He is like a counter puncher that will take shots to kill with a body blows.This kid can be taught to shoot,it's just the right coach and repetition but you can't teach that fury he brings to defense.It is almost incompatible with the timing and finesse of being a point guard.

[PickNRoll]

He's never going to be a 25 PPG type of player. So if your heart is set on that type player, look elsewhere.

Smart will be a valuable player in that he's going to have so many "play's of the game" under his belt yearly.

Don't forget something, what's he played 20 games!

 

There are very few of those left in the league. I do think if Smart can eventually get 36-40 minutes per game he could easily be an 18-8 or even 20-10 guy. Depends on how well he develops and how much court time he gets.

Hope you're right, I haven't seen it yet, and I believe that if he's going to be that guy, we should have seen glimpses of it by now.

Why do we always boil a player's worth down to offensive stats?

Smart may never be an 18-8 guy, but if he becomes a 14-8 guy that is also a guy that turns the guy he's guarding into an 8pt 6 turnover guy, than I'll take him over many of these 18-8 guys.

Dennis Johnson's career numbers
14 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists

Perfect example

[kozlodoev]

He's never going to be a 25 PPG type of player. So if your heart is set on that type player, look elsewhere.

Smart will be a valuable player in that he's going to have so many "play's of the game" under his belt yearly.

Don't forget something, what's he played 20 games!

 

There are very few of those left in the league. I do think if Smart can eventually get 36-40 minutes per game he could easily be an 18-8 or even 20-10 guy. Depends on how well he develops and how much court time he gets.

Hope you're right, I haven't seen it yet, and I believe that if he's going to be that guy, we should have seen glimpses of it by now.

Why do we always boil a player's worth down to offensive stats?

Smart may never be an 18-8 guy, but if he becomes a 14-8 guy that is also a guy that turns the guy he's guarding into an 8pt 6 turnover guy, than I'll take him over many of these 18-8 guys.

Dennis Johnson's career numbers
14 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists

Perfect example

See, therein lies the rub: it's great to have DJ if you already have Bird, McHale, and Parish (Boston), not so great if you don't (Phoenix).

[Monkhouse]

He's never going to be a 25 PPG type of player. So if your heart is set on that type player, look elsewhere.

Smart will be a valuable player in that he's going to have so many "play's of the game" under his belt yearly.

Don't forget something, what's he played 20 games!

 

There are very few of those left in the league. I do think if Smart can eventually get 36-40 minutes per game he could easily be an 18-8 or even 20-10 guy. Depends on how well he develops and how much court time he gets.

Hope you're right, I haven't seen it yet, and I believe that if he's going to be that guy, we should have seen glimpses of it by now.

Why do we always boil a player's worth down to offensive stats?

Smart may never be an 18-8 guy, but if he becomes a 14-8 guy that is also a guy that turns the guy he's guarding into an 8pt 6 turnover guy, than I'll take him over many of these 18-8 guys.

Dennis Johnson's career numbers
14 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists

Perfect example

See, therein lies the rub: it's great to have DJ if you already have Bird, McHale, and Parish (Boston), not so great if you don't (Phoenix).

Agreed on both posts. DJ great player, known for being a great prototypical all around guy. While he was amazing, Bird/Parish were the go to guys.

[Boris Badenov]

He's never going to be a 25 PPG type of player. So if your heart is set on that type player, look elsewhere.

Smart will be a valuable player in that he's going to have so many "play's of the game" under his belt yearly.

Don't forget something, what's he played 20 games!

 

There are very few of those left in the league. I do think if Smart can eventually get 36-40 minutes per game he could easily be an 18-8 or even 20-10 guy. Depends on how well he develops and how much court time he gets.

Hope you're right, I haven't seen it yet, and I believe that if he's going to be that guy, we should have seen glimpses of it by now.

Why do we always boil a player's worth down to offensive stats?

Smart may never be an 18-8 guy, but if he becomes a 14-8 guy that is also a guy that turns the guy he's guarding into an 8pt 6 turnover guy, than I'll take him over many of these 18-8 guys.

Dennis Johnson's career numbers
14 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists

Perfect example

See, therein lies the rub: it's great to have DJ if you already have Bird, McHale, and Parish (Boston), not so great if you don't (Phoenix).

I think it's important in this discussion to clarify whether we mean the savvy veteran DJ who played for the Celtics, or the DJ was Finals MVP in Seattle and a four-time All-Star before joining the Celtics.

[PickNRoll]

He's never going to be a 25 PPG type of player. So if your heart is set on that type player, look elsewhere.

Smart will be a valuable player in that he's going to have so many "play's of the game" under his belt yearly.

Don't forget something, what's he played 20 games!

 

There are very few of those left in the league. I do think if Smart can eventually get 36-40 minutes per game he could easily be an 18-8 or even 20-10 guy. Depends on how well he develops and how much court time he gets.

Hope you're right, I haven't seen it yet, and I believe that if he's going to be that guy, we should have seen glimpses of it by now.

Why do we always boil a player's worth down to offensive stats?

Smart may never be an 18-8 guy, but if he becomes a 14-8 guy that is also a guy that turns the guy he's guarding into an 8pt 6 turnover guy, than I'll take him over many of these 18-8 guys.

Dennis Johnson's career numbers
14 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists

Perfect example

See, therein lies the rub: it's great to have DJ if you already have Bird, McHale, and Parish (Boston), not so great if you don't (Phoenix).

I think it's important in this discussion to clarify whether we mean the savvy veteran DJ who played for the Celtics, or the DJ was Finals MVP in Seattle and a four-time All-Star before joining the Celtics.

I meant savvy vet DJ.  Seattle DJ was a really skilled scorer and I think Smart projects as the savvy, gritty defender with long arms variety.

[Boris Badenov]

He's never going to be a 25 PPG type of player. So if your heart is set on that type player, look elsewhere.

Smart will be a valuable player in that he's going to have so many "play's of the game" under his belt yearly.

Don't forget something, what's he played 20 games!

 

There are very few of those left in the league. I do think if Smart can eventually get 36-40 minutes per game he could easily be an 18-8 or even 20-10 guy. Depends on how well he develops and how much court time he gets.

Hope you're right, I haven't seen it yet, and I believe that if he's going to be that guy, we should have seen glimpses of it by now.

Why do we always boil a player's worth down to offensive stats?

Smart may never be an 18-8 guy, but if he becomes a 14-8 guy that is also a guy that turns the guy he's guarding into an 8pt 6 turnover guy, than I'll take him over many of these 18-8 guys.

Dennis Johnson's career numbers
14 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists

Perfect example

See, therein lies the rub: it's great to have DJ if you already have Bird, McHale, and Parish (Boston), not so great if you don't (Phoenix).

I think it's important in this discussion to clarify whether we mean the savvy veteran DJ who played for the Celtics, or the DJ was Finals MVP in Seattle and a four-time All-Star before joining the Celtics.

I meant savvy vet DJ.  Seattle DJ was a really skilled scorer and I think Smart projects as the savvy, gritty defender with long arms variety.

If Smart can nail clutch 15-footers like savvy vet DJ, he will have a long and successful career.

[Beat LA]

He's never going to be a 25 PPG type of player. So if your heart is set on that type player, look elsewhere.

Smart will be a valuable player in that he's going to have so many "play's of the game" under his belt yearly.

Don't forget something, what's he played 20 games!

 

There are very few of those left in the league. I do think if Smart can eventually get 36-40 minutes per game he could easily be an 18-8 or even 20-10 guy. Depends on how well he develops and how much court time he gets.

Hope you're right, I haven't seen it yet, and I believe that if he's going to be that guy, we should have seen glimpses of it by now.

Why do we always boil a player's worth down to offensive stats?

Smart may never be an 18-8 guy, but if he becomes a 14-8 guy that is also a guy that turns the guy he's guarding into an 8pt 6 turnover guy, than I'll take him over many of these 18-8 guys.

Dennis Johnson's career numbers
14 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists

Perfect example

See, therein lies the rub: it's great to have DJ if you already have Bird, McHale, and Parish (Boston), not so great if you don't (Phoenix).

Agreed on both posts. DJ great player, known for being a great prototypical all around guy. While he was amazing, Bird/Parish were the go to guys.

I thought that Bird and McHale were the primary go-to guys.  As for the DJ comparison, Smart isn't nearly as athletic, nor is he even close in terms of rebounding, and the difference in passing is just laughable, lol.

[PickNRoll]

He's never going to be a 25 PPG type of player. So if your heart is set on that type player, look elsewhere.

Smart will be a valuable player in that he's going to have so many "play's of the game" under his belt yearly.

Don't forget something, what's he played 20 games!

 

There are very few of those left in the league. I do think if Smart can eventually get 36-40 minutes per game he could easily be an 18-8 or even 20-10 guy. Depends on how well he develops and how much court time he gets.

Hope you're right, I haven't seen it yet, and I believe that if he's going to be that guy, we should have seen glimpses of it by now.

Why do we always boil a player's worth down to offensive stats?

Smart may never be an 18-8 guy, but if he becomes a 14-8 guy that is also a guy that turns the guy he's guarding into an 8pt 6 turnover guy, than I'll take him over many of these 18-8 guys.

Dennis Johnson's career numbers
14 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists

Perfect example

See, therein lies the rub: it's great to have DJ if you already have Bird, McHale, and Parish (Boston), not so great if you don't (Phoenix).

Agreed on both posts. DJ great player, known for being a great prototypical all around guy. While he was amazing, Bird/Parish were the go to guys.

I thought that Bird and McHale were the primary go-to guys.  As for the DJ comparison, Smart isn't nearly as athletic, nor is he even close in terms of rebounding, and the difference in passing is just laughable, lol.

I disagree.  Smart can be every bit the rebounder and athlete that DJ was.  Passing I'm not sure about.  He's not there yet, but let's give the 20 year old a break for not being a hall of famer yet.

[Celtics18]

Now that Marcus is starting to prove that he can shoot, it seems that less and less people are still making the claim that he can't shoot.