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Re: Sick of people saying Smart can't shoot.
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2015, 07:02:07 AM »

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He's never going to be a 25 PPG type of player. So if your heart is set on that type player, look elsewhere.

Smart will be a valuable player in that he's going to have so many "play's of the game" under his belt yearly.

Don't forget something, what's he played 20 games!

I wouldn't dismiss him that quickly. If he can become an 85% free throw shooter and remain at around 40% 3pt shooting then his ability to get to the line and take contact will make him an All Star.

Right now the game is still going fast for him as a rookie.
He's the man on this team now and as he gains more confidence the game will slow down for him and his dribble penetration game will come to life.

He's got the body, power and athleticism of an NFL running back with the vision, instincts and soft touch of a quarterback.

He's got to be the closest top 6 pick to Dwayne wade since Dwayne Wade's draft in regards to athleticism and physicality around the rim/getting to the line.

Compare their college numbers.
wade was obviously better,  but some pretty good numbers in the more important areas of success at the next level.

He's also got the alpha dog mentality needed too.


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Re: Sick of people saying Smart can't shoot.
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2015, 07:35:51 AM »

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Why? If you can't handle the truth then don't listen. He isn't a bad shooter. He's a terrible one. This could change in time if he reaches his ceiling as a defensive role player with below average shot. Think of a poor man's Tony Allen. Banks 2.0 will be in a rotation for a bunch of years but as far as a starter he's not that guy. Randle has a much better future. Smart out of that loaded draft is going to be looked at as a missed opportunity just like Vonleh but that's a much different story.

Re: Sick of people saying Smart can't shoot.
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2015, 07:54:47 AM »

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I can't get it out of my head how marcus took apart cousins by playing tough d ,he gave the big guy some pain going over the top of screen and then boxed him out like i was taught and if everybody in NBA played with his intensity the sport would have to be renamed.So marcus will get a rep and others the old pros  will say"" thats marcus" and continue to play soft ,till fourth quarter and then for full games in playoffs-I think the addition of Crowder goes way beyond pt's scored for the additional support to marcus of tough defensive style freeing up Bradley to concentrate offensively while still playing good d.Then the spillover to KO and Turner--you can see it in Kellys gym work and his game now but it sometimes leads to him being muscled and looking ackward and weak but he is first in and last out of gym,he started in such bad shape, i remember summer league what a difference.Marcus a 20yr old rookie not on d ask Cousins.Crowder like a high draft pick for his team chemistry and hair.
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Re: Sick of people saying Smart can't shoot.
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2015, 07:55:52 AM »

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The past 10-ish games Smart has been shooting very nice percentages.

Love the sound of that. This is a step in legitimizing his jumpshot.

I wonder if this could be an aftermath of Rondo. Making a 20 year old jack up 3's is better than trying to teach a 27 year old shoot, I guess (not a Rondo-hater, by the way).

Good job, Smart. Good job, coaching staff.

Having a catapult like that will open up lanes for this wrecking ball to destroy! (Even his jumper looks like a catapult).

Only thing is he hasn't been a good playmaker so far from what I've heard...but that may be because of his shot jacking.

Re: Sick of people saying Smart can't shoot.
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2015, 08:04:44 AM »

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This isn't a matter of opinion. On the year he is sub 40% from the field and sub 70% from the line. Until those numbers get better I don't even have to consider him an ok or average shooter.

At the present time KO, Avery, and Evan T are all significantly better shooters.

I'm also used to pgs that rebound and pass and so far he's not doing that. I see why people like him. He's very athletic and intense, but as of now this isn't what I signed up for. He's not doing half of what Victor O did last year, in a supposedly weak draft class.

Considering there are only 25 qualified players in the NBA shooting 40% from the 3, that seems a poor standard for whether a player is an okay or average shooter.

Re: Sick of people saying Smart can't shoot.
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2015, 08:25:47 AM »

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This isn't a matter of opinion. On the year he is sub 40% from the field and sub 70% from the line. Until those numbers get better I don't even have to consider him an ok or average shooter.

At the present time KO, Avery, and Evan T are all significantly better shooters.

I'm also used to pgs that rebound and pass and so far he's not doing that. I see why people like him. He's very athletic and intense, but as of now this isn't what I signed up for. He's not doing half of what Victor O did last year, in a supposedly weak draft class.

Considering there are only 25 qualified players in the NBA shooting 40% from the 3, that seems a poor standard for whether a player is an okay or average shooter.
I said the field

Re: Sick of people saying Smart can't shoot.
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2015, 08:53:32 AM »

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This isn't a matter of opinion. On the year he is sub 40% from the field and sub 70% from the line. Until those numbers get better I don't even have to consider him an ok or average shooter.

At the present time KO, Avery, and Evan T are all significantly better shooters.

I'm also used to pgs that rebound and pass and so far he's not doing that. I see why people like him. He's very athletic and intense, but as of now this isn't what I signed up for. He's not doing half of what Victor O did last year, in a supposedly weak draft class.

Considering there are only 25 qualified players in the NBA shooting 40% from the 3, that seems a poor standard for whether a player is an okay or average shooter.
I said the field

Ah, yes, sorry. but such combined numbers aren't really relevant on their own, short of a pure 3 floor.

Re: Sick of people saying Smart can't shoot.
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2015, 08:57:26 AM »

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well, most of those criticism were justified, prior to his ankle injury, his 3 pt shooting has been atrocious. After returning from his injury, his shot is getting more consistent. I think Celticslife covered this piece last week

http://www.celticslife.com/2015/01/marcus-smarts-three-point-shooting-is.html

Re: Sick of people saying Smart can't shoot.
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2015, 09:56:04 AM »

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He's never going to be a 25 PPG type of player. So if your heart is set on that type player, look elsewhere.

Smart will be a valuable player in that he's going to have so many "play's of the game" under his belt yearly.

Don't forget something, what's he played 20 games!


I agree Marcus is never going to be a Rose/Westbrook scoring PG. I like the improvements we are already seeing shooting the ball. I expect DA and BS have a plan laid out for his development. 1. Get up to speed with NBA defense. (this was accomplished in camp) 2. Focus on hitting shots and making smart plays on O (on going this season) 3. Learn to run a team as a PG (I expect this is goal for next season)

What I personally would love to see Marcus add to his offensive game is a touch of the Mark Jackson back down. Andre Miller does a great job of this. While most guys add this late to compensate for a lack of quickness I think Marcus could have a field day backing down guards 20lbs lighter then him. This and cutting into a post up are two easy way I think Marcus can attack a teams D.

I ultimately predict Smart to be a 15pt 5rb 6ast 1.5stl guy who plays 1st team all NBA D and is efficient yet not spectacular on offense.   
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Re: Sick of people saying Smart can't shoot.
« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2015, 09:59:11 AM »

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Why? If you can't handle the truth then don't listen. He isn't a bad shooter. He's a terrible one. This could change in time if he reaches his ceiling as a defensive role player with below average shot. Think of a poor man's Tony Allen. Banks 2.0 will be in a rotation for a bunch of years but as far as a starter he's not that guy. Randle has a much better future. Smart out of that loaded draft is going to be looked at as a missed opportunity just like Vonleh but that's a much different story.

you need to put down the haterade.
sayig it repeatedly won't make it come true.
youre comparing tony allen's offensive skill set to marcus smart's?
that's not insulting, it's funny.
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Re: Sick of people saying Smart can't shoot.
« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2015, 10:19:03 AM »

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So, on the up side he's a D. Wade, and on the down side he's Tony Allen?

Lets say he ends up as something between the both players. He will not be D. Wade, but he will be better than Tony Allen. (I remember TA before the two knee operations, and he was coming on like a freight train)

Then you have a guy that can play 3 positions and defend them well. He will score 12-15 a game, pass better than average, and play his normal "manimal" style of defense. Smart hurts people while playing defense, ask Cousins. When team mates see a player defend like him, they step it up or get embarrassed.

I'll take that on my team all day long! Pair him with the right players and you have a team backbone.   
 

Re: Sick of people saying Smart can't shoot.
« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2015, 10:20:58 AM »

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Better than Tony Allen, eh?
At least a goldfish with a Lincoln Log on its back goin' across your floor to your sock drawer has a miraculous connotation to it.

Re: Sick of people saying Smart can't shoot.
« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2015, 10:32:14 AM »

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22 games into his career - he is shooting 40% from the field, 35% from three and 69% from the line.  Considering he missed a lot of time and is coming off a pretty bad high ankle sprain I will take it.  Anyone that has watched the last 10 games or so, it's pretty easy to see that he is getting more and more confident on the offensive end.  I never thought he would sniff 35% from three at any point this year, considering the start he had....

Re: Sick of people saying Smart can't shoot.
« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2015, 10:32:34 AM »

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Smart couldn't shoot in college. He couldn't shoot to start the year.  For the last 13 games, he's shown huge improvement, but are people really "simply not" knowledgeable fans just because they're using a few years worth of shooting over 13 games worth? I agree that Smart seems to have improved, but we need more games before we'll know for sure. There's no need to insult people for not being convinced yet.

A lot of folks are not swayed easily from their first judgment of someone and our first judgment of Smart was not the best. he does need some more work but I personally think he's a winner. 

Re: Sick of people saying Smart can't shoot.
« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2015, 11:16:06 AM »

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The haters make me laugh. When did people who actually played basketball really find their stroke for their high % shot? As in when were you $ shooting?  18 probably not given how the majority of college basketball players shoot. It's more like 23 or as late as 29 based off NBA (you know best players on the planet). Scoring using athletic ability and I.Q. is the only way to compensate early on in a career. In today's NBA no 20 year old PG under 6'4 will both mentally and physically dominate. Have patience on the scoring and shooting clearly the game of basketball requires it.