Should we have gone after Shumpert?

[littleteapot]

No, we already have our own Shumpert signed to a long term deal, his name is Avery Bradley.

Shumpert is bigger and a better passer and ball handler. I would have a lot more tolerance to Bradley's issues if he could rebound his position and could guard bigger guys like Derozan.

[KGs Knee]

Shumpert was the cost of getting rid of Smith.

Yeah, I don't think simply offering NY our TPE for Shumpert would have been enough to tempt them.

Cleveland being willing to take on JR Smith was what prompted NY to make the deal. And with that being the case, no way do I want Smith on the Celtics. Shumpert isn't worth taking on that headache.

[KGs Knee]

Also, if I'm Cleveland I might give serious thought to simply waiving JR Smith.

I'm not sure introducing a headcase like Smith into a lockeroom already a bit fragile is a good idea at all.

I do like the Shumpert acquisition for them, though. Should provide them with improved perimeter defense on opposing guards.

[Rondo9]

No, we already have our own Shumpert signed to a long term deal, his name is Avery Bradley.

Shumpert is bigger and a better passer and ball handler. I would have a lot more tolerance to Bradley's issues if he could rebound his position and could guard bigger guys like Derozan.

He's not that much better of a ball handler and passer than Bradley.

[Who]

Shumpert is the type of guy you for when you already have a few of your key pieces already in place. A title contender like Cleveland is a good fit. Another example would be Oklahoma when they had Westbrook and Durant from the draft but were still losing a huge amount of games and then went out and got Thabo Sefolosha. A young glue-guy with upside to be top level role player. Thabo was key factor in helping young OKC team learn how to win in early days. Shumpert is similar type to Sefolosha.

Boston has no key pieces in place and thus have no need for quality glue guys. Players like Shumpert are not worth giving up assets for in this stage of the Celtics' rebuilding process. Need to target guys with high end upside / star potential.

[PickNRoll]

No, we already have our own Shumpert signed to a long term deal, his name is Avery Bradley.

Shumpert is bigger and a better passer and ball handler. I would have a lot more tolerance to Bradley's issues if he could rebound his position and could guard bigger guys like Derozan.

They're both really limited.  Shump is a better playmaker, only because Bradley is an absolute zero.  Bradley's a better shooter and has more defensive impact.  I'll take Bradley for my money.

[bobbyv]

No .....

The reason NY gave Sumpert and Smith away ..was like the Josh Smith deal .....they.mostly paid somebody to take their problems . 

Players can be a burden on a team trying to reorganize.

I think the Rondo trade was a hurry up , to try and help Stevens gain control.

Knicks paid to get rid of their problems.  Shump injury prone and Smith a head case. 

Celtics are lucky Wallace has been content to keep quiet and do his part.

Don't think it's working out so well...

[littleteapot]

No, we already have our own Shumpert signed to a long term deal, his name is Avery Bradley.

Shumpert is bigger and a better passer and ball handler. I would have a lot more tolerance to Bradley's issues if he could rebound his position and could guard bigger guys like Derozan.

They're both really limited.  Shump is a better playmaker, only because Bradley is an absolute zero.  Bradley's a better shooter and has more defensive impact.  I'll take Bradley for my money.

Dude we criticize Bradley for 2 things:
-For being an absolute zero as a playmaker as you said
-For not having the size to make up for his deficiencies/take advantage of his strengths

Shumpert is big enough that he can contribute without great playmaking, and he gives you enough playmaking to not be a liability. That's all anyone wants from Bradley! I'm not looking for him to be Oscar Robertson!

Who - I just think it's an asset upgrade to give up my trade exception to get Shumpert. No idea if he's a permanent fixture on this team.

[guava_wrench]

No .....

The reason NY gave Sumpert and Smith away ..was like the Josh Smith deal .....they.mostly paid somebody to take their problems . 

Players can be a burden on a team trying to reorganize.

I think the Rondo trade was a hurry up , to try and help Stevens gain control.

Knicks paid to get rid of their problems.  Shump injury prone and Smith a head case. 

Celtics are lucky Wallace has been content to keep quiet and do his part.

Shump was not a problem. They dealt Shump to get rid of Smith. They did not want to just get rid of Shump. They just long felt they could move him for a more appropriate player. Unfortunately for them, they needed to shed Smith, who was a problem.

Also, just a minor point - Josh Smith was cut. Detroit swallowed that contract, though they get some cap relieve based on his new contract.

[PickNRoll]

No, we already have our own Shumpert signed to a long term deal, his name is Avery Bradley.

Shumpert is bigger and a better passer and ball handler. I would have a lot more tolerance to Bradley's issues if he could rebound his position and could guard bigger guys like Derozan.

They're both really limited.  Shump is a better playmaker, only because Bradley is an absolute zero.  Bradley's a better shooter and has more defensive impact.  I'll take Bradley for my money.

Dude we criticize Bradley for 2 things:
-For being an absolute zero as a playmaker as you said
-For not having the size to make up for his deficiencies/take advantage of his strengths

Shumpert is big enough that he can contribute without great playmaking, and he gives you enough playmaking to not be a liability. That's all anyone wants from Bradley! I'm not looking for him to be Oscar Robertson!

Who - I just think it's an asset upgrade to give up my trade exception to get Shumpert. No idea if he's a permanent fixture on this team.

But the price to acquire him wasn't a trade exception.  It was absorbing 1.5 years of JR Smith's 6M salary and psyche.

[littleteapot]

But the price to acquire him wasn't a trade exception.  It was absorbing 1.5 years of JR Smith's 6M salary and psyche.

Fair point. Personally I would probably waive/cut JR Smith immediately because our locker room is bad enough, and I think paying him 6M next year is still worth it to get Shumpert.