Rondo has been looking bad in crunch time

[clover]

That depends.

Not paying Rondo max money. Not today. Not ever. Franchise-defining mistake if they do.

Not for this woeful product.

If he's willing to sign a market contract and do something about the substantial holes in his game, fine. Let's resign him.

Personally, I wouldn't trade him. I'd just let him walk - because there's absolutely NO chance I'd pay a player with his obvious and substantial warts max money just because a sub-group of the fan base is head over heels in love with him and can't realistically evaluate his skills.

I would trade him, if we can get something back in return.....it doesn't have to be much.

I agree.

[DesertDweller]

On paper, this team was made for Rondo to run but Rajon did not hold up his end of the bargain.  it looked for a while that his outside shot was improving but it did not, in fact it got worse along with the rest of his game. as I type this post Rondo's value is plummeting to an all time low.  I mean, what does the guy do well??? pass the ball, occasionaly, and that's very suspect of late.  defense,no!!! shoot free throws, no!!! forget about the game itself, in crunch time it is a complete disaster because Rondo can contribute nothing of value.
I think I see what DA was trying to do but he waited to long and now everybody knows the guy is a bust. and if you don't think so just watch how little teams will offer for Rondo, if anything!!!
unfortunately Rondo will be remembered as ornery, tempermental  and hard to get along with and with the amount of good point guards in the league today will probably not be heard from after this year!!!

[Tr1boy]

On paper, this team was made for Rondo to run but Rajon did not hold up his end of the bargain.  it looked for a while that his outside shot was improving but it did not, in fact it got worse along with the rest of his game. as I type this post Rondo's value is plummeting to an all time low.  I mean, what does the guy do well??? pass the ball, occasionaly, and that's very suspect of late.  defense,no!!! shoot free throws, no!!! forget about the game itself, in crunch time it is a complete disaster because Rondo can contribute nothing of value.
I think I see what DA was trying to do but he waited to long and now everybody knows the guy is a bust. and if you don't think so just watch how little teams will offer for Rondo, if anything!!!
unfortunately Rondo will be remembered as ornery, tempermental  and hard to get along with and with the amount of good point guards in the league today will probably not be heard from after this year!!!

I agree. 

[D Dub]

it's not hard to shoot 70% from the foul line, you just have to practice. 

that's my problem with Rondo, nine years in the league and he hasn't improved his FT% one bit.  that's not the kind of example I want from a team captain. 

[BballTim]

You can't win with a point guard who can't shoot, especially can't shoot free throws.  That's indisputable.  Right now he's 9 for 26 for the year.  He can't be left on the floor at the end of games--the C's will need Banks or Pressey at PG, so how valuable can Rondo be? 

He's also a ball pounder at crunch time.

The C's should trade him for whatever they can get and also rid themselves of a clubhouse problem.

Actually we won our one and only championship in the last 25 years with this very PG.

I bet you money Rondo was not in the game the last 5 minutes of many of those games.

In fact they probably put in Eddie House to finish games.

FACTS from the 2008 NBA Finals:

Game 1:  http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=280605002&period=4

Game 2:  http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=280608002&period=4

Game 3:  Rondo got into some late foul trouble and evidently was not in the final 5 minutes

Game 5:  http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=280615013&period=4  -- Rondo was in during the last minute, but didn't play much overall in the game due to poor play.

Game 6:  http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=280617002&period=4

Check out Rondo's box score in our clenching game 6:

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280617002 

FACTS from the 2010 Finals:

Game 1:  http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=300603013&period=4

Game 2:  http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=300606013&period=4  -- notice how RR CARRIED us in crunch time

Game 3:  http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300608002  -- played 42 minutes, but in some late foul trouble

Game 4:  http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=300610002&period=4  -- re-entered game around 2:50 to go

Game 5:  http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=300613002&period=4  -- played big in last minutes

Game 6:  http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=300615013

Game 7:  http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=300617013&period=4  ---  RR makes three pointer with 27 seconds to go

I just thought that it might be worthwhile to go back to the actual box scores rather than trusting someone's assumptions based on their memories!!!!!

Smitty77

Our toughest series that season was during the 08 ECSF vs the Cavs

This is the amount of playing time Rondo received during the 4Q of that epic series:

1. 8 seconds
2. 1 min 4 seconds
3. did not play in the 4Q
4. 3 min 56 seconds
5. 12 minutes
6. 6 min 52 seconds
7. 10 minutes

vs LAL

1. 5 min 48 seconds
2. 12 minutes
3. 3 min 34 seconds (he had 4 fouls the entire game)
4. did not play in the 4Q (you excluded this game from your post)
5. 26 seconds (game was practically lost when he entered, barring a total collapse, with LA up 5)
6. 4 min 59 seconds

During the 2010 Finals he played a lot, but didn't play well. That's the series Kobe was playing free safety, doubling off him, and daring him to shoot.

Rondo shot 45.4% from the field, 26.3% from the line (yes, 26.3%! 5 for 19), and 33.3% from 3's. His assists were also way down (7.6) despite the heavy minutes 38.8.

Hmmm.  Notice how he played 12, 7, and 10 minutes in the last 3 games of our toughest series of 2008.  That is literally MOST of the 4th during the last three games of our toughest series.  In 2010, unless my memory is incorrect, Rondo spent a LOT of time guarding arguably the GREATEST scorer of the modern NBA, Kobe.  You, of course, were very quick in NOT giving him credit for that!!!

Smitty77

Yes, but the point is that he was taken out of several games for either Cassell or House like others have said.

  He obviously didn't play 48 minutes a game, but his spending a lot of time on the bench when he was ineffective was pretty much limited to a few games against the Cavs.

[playdream]

it's not hard to shoot 70% from the foul line, you just have to practice. 

that's my problem with Rondo, nine years in the league and he hasn't improved his FT% one bit.  that's not the kind of example I want from a team captain.

Rondo's deficiency is he just wants to do thing his way, regardless it's working or not

[BballTim]

Personally, I wouldn't trade him. I'd just let him walk - because there's absolutely NO chance I'd pay a player with his obvious and substantial warts max money just because a sub-group of the fan base is head over heels in love with him and can't realistically evaluate his skills.

  Your idea of "realistically evaluating his skills" seems to be entirely comprised of noticing his "warts", and you seem to think you're one of the few people who notice them.

[Eddie20]

Personally, I wouldn't trade him. I'd just let him walk - because there's absolutely NO chance I'd pay a player with his obvious and substantial warts max money just because a sub-group of the fan base is head over heels in love with him and can't realistically evaluate his skills.

  Your idea of "realistically evaluating his skills" seems to be entirely comprised of noticing his "warts", and you seem to think you're one of the few people who notice them.

He did say "subgroup", which you're obviously the proud catalyst of.

Tim, where would you rank Rondo now? I recall you saying he was a top 5 player before and I believe you based that on his playoff performances. However, where do you rank him overall today as a pg and overall player?

To make it easier, here's a list of the better PG's in the NBA. Where do you place Rondo today?

Lowry
Wall
Rose
Irving
Walker
Carter-Williams
Conley
Curry
Lillard
Parker
CP3
Dragic
Bledsoe (could play either spot)
Lawson
Holiday
Westbrook
Rubio

This should be interesting....

[rondohondo]

Personally, I wouldn't trade him. I'd just let him walk - because there's absolutely NO chance I'd pay a player with his obvious and substantial warts max money just because a sub-group of the fan base is head over heels in love with him and can't realistically evaluate his skills.

  Your idea of "realistically evaluating his skills" seems to be entirely comprised of noticing his "warts", and you seem to think you're one of the few people who notice them.

He did say "subgroup", which you're obviously the proud catalyst of.

Tim, where would you rank Rondo now? I recall you saying he was a top 5 player before and I believe you based that on his playoff performances. However, where do you rank him overall today as a pg and overall player?

To make it easier, here's a list of the better PG's in the NBA. Where do you place Rondo today?

Lowry ( same level)
Wall    ( same level
Rose ( who knows with health, but if healthy yes)
Irving
Walker
Carter-Williams
Conley
Curry
Lillard
Parker
CP3
Dragic
Bledsoe (could play either spot)
Lawson
Holiday
Westbrook
Rubio

This should be interesting....

Fixed

I would say is around the 5-8 best pg's in the league. In the playoffs he puts it up another notch and can be the best player in any given series .

[GetLucky]

Personally, I wouldn't trade him. I'd just let him walk - because there's absolutely NO chance I'd pay a player with his obvious and substantial warts max money just because a sub-group of the fan base is head over heels in love with him and can't realistically evaluate his skills.

  Your idea of "realistically evaluating his skills" seems to be entirely comprised of noticing his "warts", and you seem to think you're one of the few people who notice them.

He did say "subgroup", which you're obviously the proud catalyst of.

Tim, where would you rank Rondo now? I recall you saying he was a top 5 player before and I believe you based that on his playoff performances. However, where do you rank him overall today as a pg and overall player?

To make it easier, here's a list of the better PG's in the NBA. Where do you place Rondo today?

Lowry
Wall
Rose
Irving
Walker
Carter-Williams
Conley
Curry
Lillard
Parker
CP3
Dragic
Bledsoe (could play either spot)
Lawson
Holiday
Westbrook
Rubio

This should be interesting....

Holiday, Rubio, Lawson, Carter-Williams, and Walker aren't exactly leading their teams to the playoffs, and Irving isn't all roses for the Cavaliers. I bet some people on their team blogs are drawing up trades for Rondo and saying "Player x (aka known commodity) is overrated, and we should trade for proven better Rondo."

[inverselock]

Personally, I wouldn't trade him. I'd just let him walk - because there's absolutely NO chance I'd pay a player with his obvious and substantial warts max money just because a sub-group of the fan base is head over heels in love with him and can't realistically evaluate his skills.

  Your idea of "realistically evaluating his skills" seems to be entirely comprised of noticing his "warts", and you seem to think you're one of the few people who notice them.

He did say "subgroup", which you're obviously the proud catalyst of.

Tim, where would you rank Rondo now? I recall you saying he was a top 5 player before and I believe you based that on his playoff performances. However, where do you rank him overall today as a pg and overall player?

To make it easier, here's a list of the better PG's in the NBA. Where do you place Rondo today?

Lowry ( same level)
Wall    ( same level
Rose ( who knows with health, but if healthy yes)
Irving
Walker
Carter-Williams
Conley
Curry
Lillard
Parker
CP3
Dragic
Bledsoe (could play either spot)
Lawson
Holiday
Westbrook
Rubio

This should be interesting....

Fixed

I would say is around the 5-8 best pg's in the league. In the playoffs he puts it up another notch and can be the best player in any given series .

If Rondo has extra gears,  we need that now.

[playdream]

Personally, I wouldn't trade him. I'd just let him walk - because there's absolutely NO chance I'd pay a player with his obvious and substantial warts max money just because a sub-group of the fan base is head over heels in love with him and can't realistically evaluate his skills.

  Your idea of "realistically evaluating his skills" seems to be entirely comprised of noticing his "warts", and you seem to think you're one of the few people who notice them.

He did say "subgroup", which you're obviously the proud catalyst of.

Tim, where would you rank Rondo now? I recall you saying he was a top 5 player before and I believe you based that on his playoff performances. However, where do you rank him overall today as a pg and overall player?

To make it easier, here's a list of the better PG's in the NBA. Where do you place Rondo today?

Lowry
Wall
Rose
Irving
Walker
Carter-Williams
Conley
Curry
Lillard
Parker
CP3
Dragic
Bledsoe (could play either spot)
Lawson
Holiday
Westbrook
Rubio

This should be interesting....

Holiday, Rubio, Lawson, Carter-Williams, and Walker aren't exactly leading their teams to the playoffs, and Irving isn't all roses for the Cavaliers. I bet some people on their team blogs are drawing up trades for Rondo and saying "Player x (aka known commodity) is overrated, and we should trade for proven better Rondo."

I don't think they will want an 30%- FT PG

[Rondo9]

Personally, I wouldn't trade him. I'd just let him walk - because there's absolutely NO chance I'd pay a player with his obvious and substantial warts max money just because a sub-group of the fan base is head over heels in love with him and can't realistically evaluate his skills.

  Your idea of "realistically evaluating his skills" seems to be entirely comprised of noticing his "warts", and you seem to think you're one of the few people who notice them.

He did say "subgroup", which you're obviously the proud catalyst of.

Tim, where would you rank Rondo now? I recall you saying he was a top 5 player before and I believe you based that on his playoff performances. However, where do you rank him overall today as a pg and overall player?

To make it easier, here's a list of the better PG's in the NBA. Where do you place Rondo today?

Lowry
Wall
Rose
Irving
Walker
Carter-Williams
Conley
Curry
Lillard
Parker
CP3
Dragic
Bledsoe (could play either spot)
Lawson
Holiday
Westbrook
Rubio

This should be interesting....

Holiday, Rubio, Lawson, Carter-Williams, and Walker aren't exactly leading their teams to the playoffs, and Irving isn't all roses for the Cavaliers. I bet some people on their team blogs are drawing up trades for Rondo and saying "Player x (aka known commodity) is overrated, and we should trade for proven better Rondo."

I don't think they will want an 30%- FT PG

Let's put it this way, do they want a player who leads the league in assists?

[deekhead]

Personally, I wouldn't trade him. I'd just let him walk - because there's absolutely NO chance I'd pay a player with his obvious and substantial warts max money just because a sub-group of the fan base is head over heels in love with him and can't realistically evaluate his skills.

  Your idea of "realistically evaluating his skills" seems to be entirely comprised of noticing his "warts", and you seem to think you're one of the few people who notice them.

He did say "subgroup", which you're obviously the proud catalyst of.

Tim, where would you rank Rondo now? I recall you saying he was a top 5 player before and I believe you based that on his playoff performances. However, where do you rank him overall today as a pg and overall player?

To make it easier, here's a list of the better PG's in the NBA. Where do you place Rondo today?

Lowry
Wall
Rose
Irving
Walker
Carter-Williams
Conley
Curry
Lillard
Parker
CP3
Dragic
Bledsoe (could play either spot)
Lawson
Holiday
Westbrook
Rubio

This should be interesting....

Holiday, Rubio, Lawson, Carter-Williams, and Walker aren't exactly leading their teams to the playoffs, and Irving isn't all roses for the Cavaliers. I bet some people on their team blogs are drawing up trades for Rondo and saying "Player x (aka known commodity) is overrated, and we should trade for proven better Rondo."

I don't think they will want an 30%- FT PG

Let's put it this way, do they want a player who leads the league in assists?

And...... who is top 15 in jersey sales too!!!

deek

[TwinTower14]

Personally, I wouldn't trade him. I'd just let him walk - because there's absolutely NO chance I'd pay a player with his obvious and substantial warts max money just because a sub-group of the fan base is head over heels in love with him and can't realistically evaluate his skills.

  Your idea of "realistically evaluating his skills" seems to be entirely comprised of noticing his "warts", and you seem to think you're one of the few people who notice them.

He did say "subgroup", which you're obviously the proud catalyst of.

Tim, where would you rank Rondo now? I recall you saying he was a top 5 player before and I believe you based that on his playoff performances. However, where do you rank him overall today as a pg and overall player?

To make it easier, here's a list of the better PG's in the NBA. Where do you place Rondo today?

Lowry ( same level)
Wall    ( same level
Rose ( who knows with health, but if healthy yes)
Irving
Walker
Carter-Williams
Conley
Curry
Lillard
Parker
CP3
Dragic
Bledsoe (could play either spot)
Lawson
Holiday
Westbrook
Rubio

This should be interesting....

Fixed

I would say is around the 5-8 best pg's in the league. In the playoffs he puts it up another notch and can be the best player in any given series .

Wall and Rondo on the same level???  It's not even close.  Wall is a much better player....