Rondo has been looking bad in crunch time

[Eddie20]

Rondo's last 7 4Q's, in approximately 50 minutes of playing time, he has accumulated the following numbers:

FG's 6-23
FT's 0-5
Reb 7
Ast 15
TO's 6
Stl 0

33.3% of those assists came against the lowly Sixers, in a game which we won.

50 minutes of playing time! My Goodness, that's a cumulative game's worth of data!

Not sure I follow your sarcasm. The point of the thread is him playing abysmal in the 4Q. This is 7 games worth of data. For example, if a closer continually blows saves, say 7 in a 2 week span, are we dismissive because his total amount of innings amounts to 9 innings (an entire game's worth) pitched?

Rondo's 4Q issues aren't new, but they're further highlighted since he doesn't have the talent around him to mask them.

I think his sarcasm makes perfect sense.  There isn't a whole lot of minutes in your little investigation.

But what also doesn't make sense is you trying to compare Rondo to a closer?  Even Rondo's biggest fans don't say that he is a closer.  Everyone knows that we need an alpha dog scorer.  We all no Rondo isn't it.  Trying to lump that into your ever growing faults for RR doesn't make any sense.  Next we are going to hear from you that Rondo needs to go because he isn't a Rim protector.  smh.

It's not about being a closer. Obviously nobody should think even though some still might. However, not being a closer and his game completely falling apart in the 4Q are two totally different things. It's 7 games worth and I didn't feel like continuing so that's why it's at 7. But please, by all means challenge my data and delve further into his 4Q stats. Perhaps you might be able to find something, anything, that would show the wheels don't fall apart when it matters.

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Rondo's last 7 4Q's, in approximately 50 minutes of playing time, he has accumulated the following numbers:

FG's 6-23
FT's 0-5
Reb 7
Ast 15
TO's 6
Stl 0

33.3% of those assists came against the lowly Sixers, in a game which we won.

50 minutes of playing time! My Goodness, that's a cumulative game's worth of data!

Not sure I follow your sarcasm. The point of the thread is him playing abysmal in the 4Q. This is 7 games worth of data. For example, if a closer continually blows saves, say 7 in a 2 week span, are we dismissive because his total amount of innings amounts to 9 innings (an entire game's worth) pitched?

Rondo's 4Q issues aren't new, but they're further highlighted since he doesn't have the talent around him to mask them.

I think his sarcasm makes perfect sense.  There isn't a whole lot of minutes in your little investigation.

But what also doesn't make sense is you trying to compare Rondo to a closer?  Even Rondo's biggest fans don't say that he is a closer.  Everyone knows that we need an alpha dog scorer.  We all no Rondo isn't it.  Trying to lump that into your ever growing faults for RR doesn't make any sense.  Next we are going to hear from you that Rondo needs to go because he isn't a Rim protector.  smh.

It's not about being a closer. Obviously nobody should think even though some still might. However, not being a closer and his game completely falling apart in the 4Q are two totally different things. It's 7 games worth and I didn't feel like continuing so that's why it's at 7. But please, by all means challenge my data and delve further into his 4Q stats. Perhaps you might be able to find something, anything, that would show the wheels don't fall apart when it matters.

If it isn't about him being a closer (which you very clearly alluded to in your post), then maybe you should consider that the team as a whole needs to play better in the 4th and take your blinders off.

[Celtics18]

I have no problem with Rondo taking the lion's share of the blame for our team's inability to score down the stretch in close games.  He's our best player, and he should be held accountable.

However, I'm cautiously optimistic that this area of concern is something that the team will be able to improve upon as the season progresses.  Overall, we have one of the top offenses in the league to start the season.  This team knows how to put up points efficiently.  Personally, I believe it's a mental issue more than a talent issue at this point.  There seems to be a snowball effect going on right now.  Everyone is so desperate right now that they are tightening up in the waning minutes.  It doesn't help that recently we've played teams that are better than us.  Teams that know how to win, while we don't know how to close out games yet. 

I'm hopeful that what we need to turn this around is a few wins against bad teams to get the team's confidence up heading into the final moments of games.  Fairly soon, we will be playing more games against the likes of Philly, Charlotte, Orlando, Detroit, and Minnesota than against the likes of Portland, Dallas, Houston, and Chicago. 

There's time to turn this around.  The schedule hasn't done us any favors in November.  December could well be a different story. 

[Eddie20]

Rondo's last 7 4Q's, in approximately 50 minutes of playing time, he has accumulated the following numbers:

FG's 6-23
FT's 0-5
Reb 7
Ast 15
TO's 6
Stl 0

33.3% of those assists came against the lowly Sixers, in a game which we won.

50 minutes of playing time! My Goodness, that's a cumulative game's worth of data!

Not sure I follow your sarcasm. The point of the thread is him playing abysmal in the 4Q. This is 7 games worth of data. For example, if a closer continually blows saves, say 7 in a 2 week span, are we dismissive because his total amount of innings amounts to 9 innings (an entire game's worth) pitched?

Rondo's 4Q issues aren't new, but they're further highlighted since he doesn't have the talent around him to mask them.

I think his sarcasm makes perfect sense.  There isn't a whole lot of minutes in your little investigation.

But what also doesn't make sense is you trying to compare Rondo to a closer?  Even Rondo's biggest fans don't say that he is a closer.  Everyone knows that we need an alpha dog scorer.  We all no Rondo isn't it.  Trying to lump that into your ever growing faults for RR doesn't make any sense.  Next we are going to hear from you that Rondo needs to go because he isn't a Rim protector.  smh.

It's not about being a closer. Obviously nobody should think even though some still might. However, not being a closer and his game completely falling apart in the 4Q are two totally different things. It's 7 games worth and I didn't feel like continuing so that's why it's at 7. But please, by all means challenge my data and delve further into his 4Q stats. Perhaps you might be able to find something, anything, that would show the wheels don't fall apart when it matters.

If it isn't about him being a closer (which you very clearly alluded to in your post), then maybe you should consider that the team as a whole needs to play better in the 4th and take your blinders off.

See, but that's the problem. He doesn't get a free pass because he's the former all-star, the one that will command big money this summer, and the player that is supposed to be the face of the franchise and the one we're building around. When another teammate has the same accolades, then he too will get blame when the team falters. It goes with the territory.

This is what he's shooting during the 4Q (12 games) on the season:
FG 8-29
FT 2-9

That's inexcusable. You don't have to be a closer, but you need to be able to do something offensively.

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Rondo's last 7 4Q's, in approximately 50 minutes of playing time, he has accumulated the following numbers:

FG's 6-23
FT's 0-5
Reb 7
Ast 15
TO's 6
Stl 0

33.3% of those assists came against the lowly Sixers, in a game which we won.

50 minutes of playing time! My Goodness, that's a cumulative game's worth of data!

Not sure I follow your sarcasm. The point of the thread is him playing abysmal in the 4Q. This is 7 games worth of data. For example, if a closer continually blows saves, say 7 in a 2 week span, are we dismissive because his total amount of innings amounts to 9 innings (an entire game's worth) pitched?

Rondo's 4Q issues aren't new, but they're further highlighted since he doesn't have the talent around him to mask them.

I think his sarcasm makes perfect sense.  There isn't a whole lot of minutes in your little investigation.

But what also doesn't make sense is you trying to compare Rondo to a closer?  Even Rondo's biggest fans don't say that he is a closer.  Everyone knows that we need an alpha dog scorer.  We all no Rondo isn't it.  Trying to lump that into your ever growing faults for RR doesn't make any sense.  Next we are going to hear from you that Rondo needs to go because he isn't a Rim protector.  smh.

It's not about being a closer. Obviously nobody should think even though some still might. However, not being a closer and his game completely falling apart in the 4Q are two totally different things. It's 7 games worth and I didn't feel like continuing so that's why it's at 7. But please, by all means challenge my data and delve further into his 4Q stats. Perhaps you might be able to find something, anything, that would show the wheels don't fall apart when it matters.

If it isn't about him being a closer (which you very clearly alluded to in your post), then maybe you should consider that the team as a whole needs to play better in the 4th and take your blinders off.

See, but that's the problem. He doesn't get a free pass because he's the former all-star, the one that will command big money this summer, and the player that is supposed to be the face of the franchise and the one we're building around. When another teammate has the same accolades, then he too will get blame when the team falters. It goes with the territory.

This is what he's shooting during the 4Q (12 games) on the season:
FG 8-29
FT 2-9

That's inexcusable. You don't have to be a closer, but you need to be able to do something offensively.

When did I say RR should get a free pass?  I never said that, but you are really good at implying / putting words in other people's mouths.  As far as I know, no one on the team is getting a free pass, they are all to blame for how bad they have sucked at the end of games.  But it shouldn't be that much of a surprise, our overall talent level is lacking.

Since we all know that Rondo isn't a closer, isn't a huge weapon for generating his own points why are you expecting him to suddenly become Paul Peirce / Ray Allen at the end of games?  Yeah he has missed some shots, but he also had nearly a 3 to 1 turnover % in that same set of 'stats'.

This is the thing that is incredibly frustrating about your posts.  You take your longstanding ire about rondo, and you project it onto anything anyone says to you.  It isn't logical and it doesn't make sense.

[Eddie20]

Rondo's last 7 4Q's, in approximately 50 minutes of playing time, he has accumulated the following numbers:

FG's 6-23
FT's 0-5
Reb 7
Ast 15
TO's 6
Stl 0

33.3% of those assists came against the lowly Sixers, in a game which we won.

50 minutes of playing time! My Goodness, that's a cumulative game's worth of data!

Not sure I follow your sarcasm. The point of the thread is him playing abysmal in the 4Q. This is 7 games worth of data. For example, if a closer continually blows saves, say 7 in a 2 week span, are we dismissive because his total amount of innings amounts to 9 innings (an entire game's worth) pitched?

Rondo's 4Q issues aren't new, but they're further highlighted since he doesn't have the talent around him to mask them.

I think his sarcasm makes perfect sense.  There isn't a whole lot of minutes in your little investigation.

But what also doesn't make sense is you trying to compare Rondo to a closer?  Even Rondo's biggest fans don't say that he is a closer.  Everyone knows that we need an alpha dog scorer.  We all no Rondo isn't it.  Trying to lump that into your ever growing faults for RR doesn't make any sense.  Next we are going to hear from you that Rondo needs to go because he isn't a Rim protector.  smh.

It's not about being a closer. Obviously nobody should think even though some still might. However, not being a closer and his game completely falling apart in the 4Q are two totally different things. It's 7 games worth and I didn't feel like continuing so that's why it's at 7. But please, by all means challenge my data and delve further into his 4Q stats. Perhaps you might be able to find something, anything, that would show the wheels don't fall apart when it matters.

If it isn't about him being a closer (which you very clearly alluded to in your post), then maybe you should consider that the team as a whole needs to play better in the 4th and take your blinders off.

See, but that's the problem. He doesn't get a free pass because he's the former all-star, the one that will command big money this summer, and the player that is supposed to be the face of the franchise and the one we're building around. When another teammate has the same accolades, then he too will get blame when the team falters. It goes with the territory.

This is what he's shooting during the 4Q (12 games) on the season:
FG 8-29
FT 2-9

That's inexcusable. You don't have to be a closer, but you need to be able to do something offensively.

When did I say RR should get a free pass?  I never said that, but you are really good at implying / putting words in other people's mouths.  As far as I know, no one on the team is getting a free pass, they are all to blame for how bad they have sucked at the end of games.  But it shouldn't be that much of a surprise, our overall talent level is lacking.

Since we all know that Rondo isn't a closer, isn't a huge weapon for generating his own points why are you expecting him to suddenly become Paul Peirce / Ray Allen at the end of games?  Yeah he has missed some shots, but he also had nearly a 3 to 1 turnover % in that same set of 'stats'.

This is the thing that is incredibly frustrating about your posts.  You take your longstanding ire about rondo, and you project it onto anything anyone says to you.  It isn't logical and it doesn't make sense.

"missed some shots"? Talk about an understatement.

Our entire team is to blame, but Rondo deserves the most since he's seemingly our best player and it's his play that deteriorates the most during 4Q's. Grouping him with others in passing out blame, is in itself giving him a free pass. Unless of course you think he's overrated and should be grouped with his teammates as far as talent goes. In that case that would be discussion for another thread.

Oh, and our 4Q woes have been occurring for years. This is nothing new. Ever since KG and Pierce began to age, we've lost leads time and again.

[Eddie20]

Rondo FG% (4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left,
neither team ahead by more than 5 points)

07-08
44.4

08-09
43.2

09-10
53.3

10-11
34.3

11-12
25.9

12-13
38.7

13-14
17.9

14-15
25.0

[D.o.s.]

I would think this is a problem only if you expect Rondo to be a go-to scorer, which seems hilariously unrealistic.

[Eddie20]

I would think this is a problem only if you expect Rondo to be a go-to scorer, which seems hilariously unrealistic.

Is him being able to hit shots at a respectable rate and him being a "go-to scorer" synonymous? I would settle for merely decent, but sadly we continue to get some horrendous shooting/4Q play.

[Chris22]

I would think this is a problem only if you expect Rondo to be a go-to scorer, which seems hilariously unrealistic.

Is him being able to hit shots at a respectable rate and him being a "go-to scorer" synonymous? I would settle for merely decent, but sadly we continue to get some horrendous shooting/4Q play.

Rondo is being paid $12 million a year to be a below average point guard.

We can do better.

[Jailan34]

I would think this is a problem only if you expect Rondo to be a go-to scorer, which seems hilariously unrealistic.

Is him being able to hit shots at a respectable rate and him being a "go-to scorer" synonymous? I would settle for merely decent, but sadly we continue to get some horrendous shooting/4Q play.

Rondo is being paid $12 million a year to be a below average point guard.

We can do better.

You know, I've seen you make some decent arguments as to why Rondo isn't the guy to be building around, and I just don't know why you muck everything smart you say up with statements like these. Rondo is obviously not a below average point guard, hes just not a top 10 one.

[Chris22]

I would think this is a problem only if you expect Rondo to be a go-to scorer, which seems hilariously unrealistic.

Is him being able to hit shots at a respectable rate and him being a "go-to scorer" synonymous? I would settle for merely decent, but sadly we continue to get some horrendous shooting/4Q play.

Rondo is being paid $12 million a year to be a below average point guard.

We can do better.

You know, I've seen you make some decent arguments as to why Rondo isn't the guy to be building around, and I just don't know why you muck everything smart you say up with statements like these. Rondo is obviously not a below average point guard, hes just not a top 10 one.

Rondo is ranked number 28 in PER for point guards in the NBA.
That's below average.

[D.o.s.]

I would think this is a problem only if you expect Rondo to be a go-to scorer, which seems hilariously unrealistic.

Is him being able to hit shots at a respectable rate and him being a "go-to scorer" synonymous? I would settle for merely decent, but sadly we continue to get some horrendous shooting/4Q play.

I think that a lot of the griping on here has to do with his inability to shoot in contrast to the idea that he's the team's best player, because that seems to indicate to some posters (not you, necessarily) that the team's best player must be able to score his way to the team's victory.

As for his horrible shooting so far, that's what it has been: horrible. But it's a slump. I'll be concerned if we're still talking about it in January.

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I would think this is a problem only if you expect Rondo to be a go-to scorer, which seems hilariously unrealistic.

Is him being able to hit shots at a respectable rate and him being a "go-to scorer" synonymous? I would settle for merely decent, but sadly we continue to get some horrendous shooting/4Q play.

Rondo is being paid $12 million a year to be a below average point guard.

We can do better.

You know, I've seen you make some decent arguments as to why Rondo isn't the guy to be building around, and I just don't know why you muck everything smart you say up with statements like these. Rondo is obviously not a below average point guard, hes just not a top 10 one.

Rondo is ranked number 28 in PER for point guards in the NBA.
That's below average.

You are mistaking PER for a meaningful statistic over and over again...

[YoungOne87]

I dont know why he settled for contested midrange jumpers in the 4th..
in crunch time we should go to green or sully, maybe turner or thornton if they are hot