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Re: A little 76ers bashing
« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2014, 03:54:01 PM »

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I have faith that tanking will be its own reward and Philly won't come close to title contention in the next ten years if they keep this up.
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Re: A little 76ers bashing
« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2014, 04:38:41 PM »

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Re: A little 76ers bashing
« Reply #47 on: November 10, 2014, 04:44:32 PM »

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Embiid is out for the year. MCW, Wroten, McDaniels, and Noel im in agreement with you they are developmental prospects. Mbah a Moute and Shved are NBA role players. The other 8 are 14th-15th men on most other NBA rosters.

My point with the "busts" is that they are low production but higher potential players. Given minutes and no worries about being benched they have a chance to save their careers.
I actually think Henry Sims could be a pretty solid player.  Not an all star or anything but 3rd or 4th big type potential.  He has better per 36 numbers than Tyler Zeller for example.

Chris Johnson certainly wasn't a 14th or 15th man for Boston last year.

Brandon Davies had a fairly prolific college career and seems to be making the appropriate strides in his second year in the league.

The reality is Philly is taking flyers on people, some of them might pan out, some of them might not, but even if 1 or 2 of those guys become half the players that Ben Wallace was, it will pay off for them.

Actually Chris Johnson was a 14th or 15th man.  It was various injuries to guys like Rondo, AB, Wallace and the trades of Lee and Crawford that opened the way into the rotation for him.  And this year he was a 16th man for Boston.

And in what world is Henry Sims outperforming Zeller on a per 36 basis?  Zeller has him beat in virtually every category, including a near doubling (!) of his FG%.

The reality is Philly has deliberately filled their roster with injured guys, 2nd round picks and other teams' 14th-18th men.
Career per 36

Sims 14.2 p, 9.7 r, 2.3 a, 1.1 s, 0.7 b 47.3%
Zeller 11.9 p, 8.4 r, 1.6 a, 0.6 s, 1.3 b 47.9%

Sims better.

As for Johnson if you start counting injuries and players not around, he doesn't even make the rotation for Philly either (MCW, Noel, Embiid, Saric).

Sims per 36 stat line is distorted by the projection of his rookie season when he played 2 minutes a game.  Try harder.

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Re: A little 76ers bashing
« Reply #48 on: November 10, 2014, 04:48:01 PM »

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Embiid is out for the year. MCW, Wroten, McDaniels, and Noel im in agreement with you they are developmental prospects. Mbah a Moute and Shved are NBA role players. The other 8 are 14th-15th men on most other NBA rosters.

My point with the "busts" is that they are low production but higher potential players. Given minutes and no worries about being benched they have a chance to save their careers.
I actually think Henry Sims could be a pretty solid player.  Not an all star or anything but 3rd or 4th big type potential.  He has better per 36 numbers than Tyler Zeller for example.

Chris Johnson certainly wasn't a 14th or 15th man for Boston last year.

Brandon Davies had a fairly prolific college career and seems to be making the appropriate strides in his second year in the league.

The reality is Philly is taking flyers on people, some of them might pan out, some of them might not, but even if 1 or 2 of those guys become half the players that Ben Wallace was, it will pay off for them.

Actually Chris Johnson was a 14th or 15th man.  It was various injuries to guys like Rondo, AB, Wallace and the trades of Lee and Crawford that opened the way into the rotation for him.  And this year he was a 16th man for Boston.

And in what world is Henry Sims outperforming Zeller on a per 36 basis?  Zeller has him beat in virtually every category, including a near doubling (!) of his FG%.

The reality is Philly has deliberately filled their roster with injured guys, 2nd round picks and other teams' 14th-18th men.
Career per 36

Sims 14.2 p, 9.7 r, 2.3 a, 1.1 s, 0.7 b 47.3%
Zeller 11.9 p, 8.4 r, 1.6 a, 0.6 s, 1.3 b 47.9%

Sims better.

As for Johnson if you start counting injuries and players not around, he doesn't even make the rotation for Philly either (MCW, Noel, Embiid, Saric).

Sims per 36 stat line is distorted by the projection of his rookie season when he played 2 minutes a game.  Try harder.

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He played 2 games, it doesn't distort anything.
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Re: A little 76ers bashing
« Reply #49 on: November 10, 2014, 05:13:23 PM »

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Per-36 is not a projection unless the player's played fewer than 36 minutes.  Moranis' numbers are across 1049 minutes, not a projection.  One year having only 5 minutes only means it plays a miniscule role in those per-36 numbers.

It is very fair to argue that Sims' numbers are across a smaller sample than Zeller, with Sims spending most of that being handed playing time for a team in desperate need of production from anywhere, though.


Re: A little 76ers bashing
« Reply #50 on: November 10, 2014, 05:18:47 PM »

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Always hated the Lakers and Sixers and love to see them doing bad!!!
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Re: i little 76ers bashing
« Reply #51 on: November 10, 2014, 05:26:56 PM »

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I would trade lives with a sixers fan 10 times over. Promising future, in 2-3 years they could be the next okc

This is a bit ridiculous. Their "Promising future" relies on two big men that have had injuries that can shorten a Big's career. An average PG, and a Euro Big that wont see the court in two years, and you think they will be something to talk about in  2 or 3 years? Not unless they land a All Star FA.

Noel is raw, and will take a couple more seasons to get it. Embidd, again raw, and wont see the court till next season, and will take a couple more years to be good. Oh they Euro, who knows if he's going to even sniff the floor. MCW is okay, KO has improved more than he has, and Bigs tend to take longer to "get it" in the NBA.

So they have 3 bigs and tanking into a draft that 5 our of the top 10 are Bigs. If they went with Exum this year instead of Embidd it would have made more sense. You get a wing player, that may be able to play PG if MCW doesn't pan out, and stash a Euro that may be a good starting PF, maybe not. And if Noel doesn't pan out you have a shot at one of the top bigs in the country.

Right now you have MCW,Worten,Saric,Noel,Embiid. Compared to our youngs in, Smart,AB,Young,Sully,KO.

I would say we have just as good of a chance of becoming competitive if not better than 76ers do in 2 or 3 years. 

Re: i little 76ers bashing
« Reply #52 on: November 10, 2014, 05:47:51 PM »

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MCW is okay, KO has improved more than he has

Based on what?  MCW has yet to play this season, how exactly are you measuring how much he's improved?

As for picking Embiid over Exum, you ALWAYS draft the best player available when you're rebuilding.  You worry about fit later.

Re: A little 76ers bashing
« Reply #53 on: November 10, 2014, 06:24:16 PM »

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As long as the Sixers are no threat to make the playoffs, I am very glad they are tanking big.  C's will get pick #31 -- a pretty valuable pick.  And will probably get a similar one next year.

A likely scenario for C's draft picks in 2015:
#12
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#31


Re: i little 76ers bashing
« Reply #54 on: November 10, 2014, 07:03:27 PM »

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I would trade lives with a sixers fan 10 times over. Promising future, in 2-3 years they could be the next okc

The sad thing is, they don't even have an elite young talent besides Embiid and who knows if hell ever become an all star or if he won't be injury prone. Nerlens Noel really isn't a  basketball player he's and athlete at this point who has a loooooot of work to do. Plus they don't fit together. MCW is already24 I think and doesn't strike me as a high level point guard down the road. Saric is an elite International player but let's see how he translates to the nba as an undersized 4 and or unathletic 3. Don't think any talent they currently have is a Westbrook or Durant type mega star talent

Re: i little 76ers bashing
« Reply #55 on: November 10, 2014, 07:19:54 PM »

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MCW is okay, KO has improved more than he has

Based on what?  MCW has yet to play this season, how exactly are you measuring how much he's improved?

As for picking Embiid over Exum, you ALWAYS draft the best player available when you're rebuilding.  You worry about fit later.

It's not about fit more than injury concerns. Back and foot injuries troublesome for a big man.

Re: A little 76ers bashing
« Reply #56 on: November 10, 2014, 07:49:10 PM »

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He's bringing Sasha Vujacic's lunch lady hairdo back lol ;D.

Re: A little 76ers bashing
« Reply #57 on: November 10, 2014, 07:57:40 PM »

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Embiid is out for the year. MCW, Wroten, McDaniels, and Noel im in agreement with you they are developmental prospects. Mbah a Moute and Shved are NBA role players. The other 8 are 14th-15th men on most other NBA rosters.

My point with the "busts" is that they are low production but higher potential players. Given minutes and no worries about being benched they have a chance to save their careers.
I actually think Henry Sims could be a pretty solid player.  Not an all star or anything but 3rd or 4th big type potential.  He has better per 36 numbers than Tyler Zeller for example.

Chris Johnson certainly wasn't a 14th or 15th man for Boston last year.

Brandon Davies had a fairly prolific college career and seems to be making the appropriate strides in his second year in the league.

The reality is Philly is taking flyers on people, some of them might pan out, some of them might not, but even if 1 or 2 of those guys become half the players that Ben Wallace was, it will pay off for them.

Actually Chris Johnson was a 14th or 15th man.  It was various injuries to guys like Rondo, AB, Wallace and the trades of Lee and Crawford that opened the way into the rotation for him.  And this year he was a 16th man for Boston.

And in what world is Henry Sims outperforming Zeller on a per 36 basis?  Zeller has him beat in virtually every category, including a near doubling (!) of his FG%.

The reality is Philly has deliberately filled their roster with injured guys, 2nd round picks and other teams' 14th-18th men.
Career per 36

Sims 14.2 p, 9.7 r, 2.3 a, 1.1 s, 0.7 b 47.3%
Zeller 11.9 p, 8.4 r, 1.6 a, 0.6 s, 1.3 b 47.9%

Sims better.

As for Johnson if you start counting injuries and players not around, he doesn't even make the rotation for Philly either (MCW, Noel, Embiid, Saric).

Ha!  Everyone called me crazy when I kept bringing him (Sims) up, but he's turned into a pretty good player.  He might not be a star, but he would have been great to have backing up KG - especially with his passing ability.  Sigh.  Another one bites the dust.  I really don't understand how guys like him and Wesley Matthews go UNDRAFTED.  Seriously?

Also, that 2012 draft could have yielded a great haul for us in Sullinger, Wroten, and Sims, but who am I kidding, Doc never would have played either of the last two guys.  The pick after Sullinger, for me, was between Moultrie, Wroten, and PJ III.  They were the best players available, especially the last two.  Ugh.  I really wish that we could have gotten KJ McDaniels, too.  This team would look very different today.  We could have just kept the old guys, sans Terry, and added most of the players who the 76ers have now to our bench in Wroten, who I thought looked like a Lance Stephenson-type of player with his size and passing ability, Sullinger, of course, Sims, James Young, and KJ McDaniels.  Of course, I also thought that we should have signed Oden in 2013, but that was before he was involved in that episode of domestic violence, which I cannot, and will not, ever overlook or tolerate.  That aside, all that would have been left for us to do was to trade for the Greek Freak, and our core of Rondo, Bradley, McDaniels, Giannis, Sullinger, Wroten, Young, and Sims, in addition to KG and Pierce, looks very promising, but alas, it was not to be.  Thanks Danny (sarcasm)! 
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Re: A little 76ers bashing
« Reply #58 on: November 10, 2014, 08:26:43 PM »

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Ha!  Everyone called me crazy when I kept bringing him (Sims) up, but he's turned into a pretty good player.  He might not be a star, but he would have been great to have backing up KG - especially with his passing ability.  Sigh.  Another one bites the dust.  I really don't understand how guys like him and Wesley Matthews go UNDRAFTED.  Seriously?

I've been a proponent of bringing D-League talent like Sims to fill out the talent on a title contender instead of opting for washed-up veterans.

Sims and Matthews were both high BB IQ guys with four years of college who had decent but not great athleticism.    There seems to be a bit of skepticism about older rookies who teams aren't sure will have sufficient athleticism to play in the NBA.
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Re: A little 76ers bashing
« Reply #59 on: November 10, 2014, 09:14:39 PM »

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Philly's destiny is on Embiid's broken leg. If he fully recovers, they will have the centerpiece for a long time.  He will be a very good center in the NBA.  Noel does not really seem like he is going to be special.