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Re: i little 76ers bashing
« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2014, 12:07:24 PM »

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Let me add to my origianl post,


I have no problem with "Tanking" but in my eyes their is a right way and a wrong way to do it.

The RIGHT way,

  - trade for poor contracts in trade for picks
  - trade for under performing high ceiling players
  - play rookies/young players thru growing pains

The WRONG way,

  - trade then release players to fill spots with D-league players
  - filling a roster with cheap low ceiling prospects

The 76ers are currently doing things the wrong way in my eyes. As a nba fan they leave nothing of interest to watch. Most other bottom feeding teams have youth to give hope to the future that fans can watch develop. I would have liked to see them build a high potential starting 5. This could have been achieved by focusing on acquiring top picks from the past years who haven't panned out. Players like D Williams, A Bennet, A Rivers, B Biyombo, J Fredette, etc. A lineup of MCW, Fredette, Bennet, Williams and Noel would still be at the bottom of the lottery but at least they would bring some entertainment value to the court. It would also allow Noel to try to break the shots block record with all the open drive to the hoop he would get to contest.     

You're suggesting that they should just fill out their roster with busts simply because "they're entertaining."

That said, how is a roster comprised of the likes of MCW, Noel, Embiid, Wroten, K.J. McDaniels, and so on NOT one full of "youth to give hope to future that fans can watch develop?"  That is literally the entire Sixers roster: young prospects whom they hope will be good contributors in a few years.

Embiid is out for the year.

You said "the future," right?

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MCW, Wroten, McDaniels, and Noel im in agreement with you they are developmental prospects. Mbah a Moute and Shved are NBA role players. The other 8 are 14th-15th men on most other NBA rosters.

Mbah a Moute and, to a significantly lesser degree, Shved are most certainly role players (though I'm willing to give Shved a chance since he's still fairly young and only in his third season), but they picked those guys up as the opportunity cost of getting a first rounder from Minnesota, not because they actually wanted them.  It's literally no different than what the Celtics did with the Joel Anthony trade.

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My point with the "busts" is that they are low production but higher potential players. Given minutes and no worries about being benched they have a chance to save their careers. 

You see, I don't agree that Derrick Williams is necessarily a higher potential guy than a JaKarr Sampson or a Jerami Grant.  I feel like you're only saying that because he was the second overall pick.  If he were drafted 32nd as he probably should've been, I really doubt you'd be touting him as a high potential player.


Embiid is out for the year. MCW, Wroten, McDaniels, and Noel im in agreement with you they are developmental prospects. Mbah a Moute and Shved are NBA role players. The other 8 are 14th-15th men on most other NBA rosters.

My point with the "busts" is that they are low production but higher potential players. Given minutes and no worries about being benched they have a chance to save their careers.

+1....Completely agree. But they won't do it because that may win them some games.

Evan Turner is a perfect example of that. THEIR #2 pick who may not have played as a #2 pick, but still had enough talent and versatility to win them more games than they wanted.

Heck, he beat us last year with a last second shot, taking it into the point and hitting an off balance pull-up jumper. He was shortly thereafter traded to the Pacers for the then corpse of Danny Granger.

... their record was 15-40 with Turner and they were already several games into their losing streak when they traded Turner.  You really think the Sixers were concerned about winning too many games if they kept him?  They were already terrible with him.

Trading him was about not being on the hook for the $8.7 million qualifying option he would've assuredly signed and to make sure they got something - even if it were just a late second rounder - for him, as opposed to nothing.
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Re: A little 76ers bashing
« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2014, 12:08:42 PM »

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Sidenote: if Alexy Shved was as awesome as his hair the Sixers would be so rad.
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Re: A little 76ers bashing
« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2014, 12:17:04 PM »

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The 76ers were never going to offer Turner the QO. They traded him because they weren't going to resign him and would rather get "anything" for him than have him stick around.

Re: i little 76ers bashing
« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2014, 01:21:12 PM »

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Embiid is out for the year. MCW, Wroten, McDaniels, and Noel im in agreement with you they are developmental prospects. Mbah a Moute and Shved are NBA role players. The other 8 are 14th-15th men on most other NBA rosters.

My point with the "busts" is that they are low production but higher potential players. Given minutes and no worries about being benched they have a chance to save their careers.
I actually think Henry Sims could be a pretty solid player.  Not an all star or anything but 3rd or 4th big type potential.  He has better per 36 numbers than Tyler Zeller for example.

Chris Johnson certainly wasn't a 14th or 15th man for Boston last year.

Brandon Davies had a fairly prolific college career and seems to be making the appropriate strides in his second year in the league.

The reality is Philly is taking flyers on people, some of them might pan out, some of them might not, but even if 1 or 2 of those guys become half the players that Ben Wallace was, it will pay off for them.
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Re: i little 76ers bashing
« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2014, 01:55:48 PM »

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Nerlen Noel didn't play and was marked as "coach's decision"

#tanking

Do they let Nerlens play in these worthless games and possibly develop bad habits and a bad attitude or do you hold  him out and deny him the in-game experience young players have to get?

Mike

Not playing Nerlens when he is healthy is a bad habit and that may cause him to develop a bad attitude as a healthy player sitting on the bench.   
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Re: i little 76ers bashing
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2014, 01:59:04 PM »

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Nerlen Noel didn't play and was marked as "coach's decision"

#tanking

Do they let Nerlens play in these worthless games and possibly develop bad habits and a bad attitude or do you hold  him out and deny him the in-game experience young players have to get?

Mike

Not playing Nerlens when he is healthy is a bad habit and that may cause him to develop a bad attitude as a healthy player sitting on the bench.   

#freeNerlenNoel

yea we should probably jump on this hahaha  ;D

Re: A little 76ers bashing
« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2014, 02:08:39 PM »

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Embiid is out for the year. MCW, Wroten, McDaniels, and Noel im in agreement with you they are developmental prospects. Mbah a Moute and Shved are NBA role players. The other 8 are 14th-15th men on most other NBA rosters.

My point with the "busts" is that they are low production but higher potential players. Given minutes and no worries about being benched they have a chance to save their careers.
I actually think Henry Sims could be a pretty solid player.  Not an all star or anything but 3rd or 4th big type potential.  He has better per 36 numbers than Tyler Zeller for example.

Chris Johnson certainly wasn't a 14th or 15th man for Boston last year.

Brandon Davies had a fairly prolific college career and seems to be making the appropriate strides in his second year in the league.

The reality is Philly is taking flyers on people, some of them might pan out, some of them might not, but even if 1 or 2 of those guys become half the players that Ben Wallace was, it will pay off for them.

Actually Chris Johnson was a 14th or 15th man.  It was various injuries to guys like Rondo, AB, Wallace and the trades of Lee and Crawford that opened the way into the rotation for him.  And this year he was a 16th man for Boston.

And in what world is Henry Sims outperforming Zeller on a per 36 basis?  Zeller has him beat in virtually every category, including a near doubling (!) of his FG%.

The reality is Philly has deliberately filled their roster with injured guys, 2nd round picks and other teams' 14th-18th men. 
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Re: A little 76ers bashing
« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2014, 02:12:50 PM »

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Embiid is out for the year. MCW, Wroten, McDaniels, and Noel im in agreement with you they are developmental prospects. Mbah a Moute and Shved are NBA role players. The other 8 are 14th-15th men on most other NBA rosters.

My point with the "busts" is that they are low production but higher potential players. Given minutes and no worries about being benched they have a chance to save their careers.
I actually think Henry Sims could be a pretty solid player.  Not an all star or anything but 3rd or 4th big type potential.  He has better per 36 numbers than Tyler Zeller for example.

Chris Johnson certainly wasn't a 14th or 15th man for Boston last year.

Brandon Davies had a fairly prolific college career and seems to be making the appropriate strides in his second year in the league.

The reality is Philly is taking flyers on people, some of them might pan out, some of them might not, but even if 1 or 2 of those guys become half the players that Ben Wallace was, it will pay off for them.

Actually Chris Johnson was a 14th or 15th man.  It was various injuries to guys like Rondo, AB, Wallace and the trades of Lee and Crawford that opened the way into the rotation for him.  And this year he was a 16th man for Boston.

And in what world is Henry Sims outperforming Zeller on a per 36 basis?  Zeller has him beat in virtually every category, including a near doubling (!) of his FG%.

The reality is Philly has deliberately filled their roster with injured guys, 2nd round picks and other teams' 14th-18th men.
Career per 36

Sims 14.2 p, 9.7 r, 2.3 a, 1.1 s, 0.7 b 47.3%
Zeller 11.9 p, 8.4 r, 1.6 a, 0.6 s, 1.3 b 47.9%

Sims better.

As for Johnson if you start counting injuries and players not around, he doesn't even make the rotation for Philly either (MCW, Noel, Embiid, Saric).
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Re: A little 76ers bashing
« Reply #38 on: November 10, 2014, 02:56:27 PM »

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By the time they are ready to be a good, playoff quality team some of these top prospects they are accumulating and pinning their franchises future hopes on will already be looking at the exit door

Re: i little 76ers bashing
« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2014, 03:15:05 PM »

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One or two years of this would be my limit as a 76 er fan.   

Rebuilding is one thing or  taking a dive to get a couple lottery picks if you are already one of the worst teams .

But to....just play BAD. Players , with huge cap,space ,  not put anyone on the court that has a chance of being a starter in the NBA is ....... Sick

Really ....the person behind this is really a bad person, he obviously doesn't care about the fans in the seats at all .  Totally out of touch with his fans

...  yet, how many times have CelticsBlog posters complained that the C's "should have tanked harder!"

Philly is what true tanking looks like, and it's a pathetic excuse for sport.  It's insulting. 

Re: i little 76ers bashing
« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2014, 03:19:24 PM »

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I would trade lives with a sixers fan 10 times over. Promising future, in 2-3 years they could be the next okc

And if you ever got down from all the losing, you could always get a boost of optimism by looking up at the banner.

Not that Im opposed to the Celtics rich and successful past but I see no point in basking in awe over championships that were won decades ago before I was even born. Only one I've been alive for is 2008. Really, losers look to the past to help console them, winners look at the present and near future. And in the near future the Sixers are going to be very good...In the near future the celtics are going to be a mediocre fringe playoff team...

I just can't stay positive until I see the grand picture of things. Hopefully Danny knows what he is doing and plans on getting Marc Gasol or someone this offseason. I can't believe he'd trot out a bunch of role players and Rondo again next season.

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« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2014, 03:20:56 PM »

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One or two years of this would be my limit as a 76 er fan.   

Rebuilding is one thing or  taking a dive to get a couple lottery picks if you are already one of the worst teams .

But to....just play BAD. Players , with huge cap,space ,  not put anyone on the court that has a chance of being a starter in the NBA is ....... Sick

Really ....the person behind this is really a bad person, he obviously doesn't care about the fans in the seats at all .  Totally out of touch with his fans

...  yet, how many times have CelticsBlog posters complained that the C's "should have tanked harder!"

Philly is what true tanking looks like, and it's a pathetic excuse for sport.  It's insulting.


And come draft time all of you will be jealous as they draft the next allstar in this league and we draft the next late lottery role player.

Re: i little 76ers bashing
« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2014, 03:22:53 PM »

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I would trade lives with a sixers fan 10 times over. Promising future, in 2-3 years they could be the next okc

That's actually hilarious.  Who on that team has displayed KD potential?  The Celtics have a brighter future right now.

I like Embiid but he has played 0 minutes.  Noel is super raw.  MCW looks like an average PG.
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Re: A little 76ers bashing
« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2014, 03:24:22 PM »

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I just want something irrationally harsh to happen to them for the embarrassing product they are putting on the floor.

And on another note, why can't I get a 10-day contract from Philly? I'll sign for the minimum and I suck compared to NBA talent, so I seem to meet all of the requirements.

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« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2014, 03:26:21 PM »

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Alleged tanking aside, I am looking forward to seeing Embiid play.

I think when it's all said and done, he and Smart will have some good battles over the next few years.