So No Rondo, No Triple Double and We Win

[Fafnir]

Bulls 4th game in 5 nights is a worse team than Dallas and Houston.

We got smoked by both though. That rally vs the Mavs was deceiving. That game wan't ever in doubt.

You don't consider a one possession game with almost two minutes left in doubt? So I guess this Bulls game was never in doubt either.

[sunnyd656]

sunnyd.... its obvious you stopped reading after the first sentence...

you cite a few games where Rondo scored...but the word "regularly" to you must mean 5-6 games out of 100. Also, a triple double, especially when you are controlling almost every play is not as impactful as it sounds.  Scoring 10, assistsing 12, and 11 rebounds is a good night, but hardly "taking over".   Individual stats mean nothing.

If you are so smart, look at the offensive efficiency numbers that show little to no difference in impact on THIS team. Go ahead and live in 2012 all you want...it is irrelevant now.

It's obvious that I did what I said I did?. You're on point. Point out more for us please.

You're right, Individual stats mean nothing....Go look up how many games Rondo has won and how many he has lost, and get back to me.

I won't look up the difference between his impact on this team, because they have played literally one game without him. Small sample size couldn't be more appropriate unless it was non-existent.

[manl_lui]

"Insert trade Rondo comments" here

[DarkAzcura]

Year before last we lost six games in a row with Rondo starting.
When Rondo got hurt, we immediately won seven games in a row.

Please don't give Rondo another multi million dollar contract.

And we won 6 games in a row before we lost those 6 in a row! Sorry, man, but anyone who still uses that argument against Rondo is clearly showing their agenda. It's nonsensical and honestly one of the dumbest arguments.

[iadera]

Please stop you all with Rondo. We took Bulls with a great play on both ends of the court and only thing that is obvious is that we have the chemistry in this team and that it was our evening. There`ll be dozens of bad evenings as well with and without Rondo, so let`s just hope they continue to show what they know. Rondo can only make it better. Full stop.

[Eigild]

where are the mods in here? the op is a obvious troll job, how can this thread not be shut down?

[GreenFaith1819]

Ohhh Kay.....So what the OP is trying to insinuate here is that Rondo is a glorified stat stuffer who has little to no impact on the game overall, and whom the Celtics could be better without.

[nickagneta]

So how predictable is it that within minutes after the Celtics win without Rondo that Eddie20, triboy16, Larbrd33 and Chris22 would be posting about how Rondo sucks and the reason the Celtics won is because rondo wasn't around?

As predictable as the sun rising in the East?
As predictable as taking another breath?
As predictable as Taylor Swift writing a song about an ex boyfriend?

This commentary and the posters who advocate its position has become as sad and pathetic as the old "bring back Antoine Walker" posts and threads that littered this blog for years before everyone realized that Antoine Walker at that age sucked.

[RRNoLookPass]

Year before last we lost six games in a row with Rondo starting.
When Rondo got hurt, we immediately won seven games in a row.

Please don't give Rondo another multi million dollar contract.

+1. Please

+2

-3

[kozlodoev]

The sentiment that "Rondo is not all that" has been around for more than you give it credit for. And in view that the team hasn't missed him particularly yet again (see injury season for other examples) you have to think about it. Of coure, if thinkig is limited to "because averaging a triple double", we'd be getting nowhere.

[Eddie20]

We basically have three years of proof that the team wins more when Rondo sits. Check the win loss records.  We lose his playmaking ability, but having competent scorers out there is a powerful thing.


We were dreadful last year in games rondo played. I think we won 3 out of 33 games or something.

The year prior we were under 500 until rondo got hurt and the team rallied and made the playoffs.

Rondo is a terrific player and can be big in the right system, but his contributions are a bit overrated.

i was perhaps the first poster to broach this topic consistently here and the numbers you cite need deeper analysis. yes, in the celtics w/l record over the past 2 seasons + 6 games the celtics win more without rondo than with him. but, not dramatically so. last year is hard to count (or needs to be counted very carefully) given his recovery from injury. this year, he did not make training camp and it is, after all, 6 games.

the way i put the conundrum was to ask WHY the celtics w/l record does not reflect what rondo is supposed to bring to this team, an improved offense and defense and thus more wins. any possible answer can NOT be provided after 6 games this season, but only at mid-season or later.

2011-12
w/out
8 wins 5 losses
win percentage 62%

with
31 wins 22 losses
win percentage 58%

2012-13
w/out
21 wins 17 losses
win percentage 55%

with
20 wins 23 losses
win percentage 46%

2013-14
w/out
19 wins 33 loses
win percentage 36%

with
6 wins 24 losses
win percentage 20%

2014-15
w/out
1 win 0 losses
win percentage 100%

with
2 wins 3 losses
win percentage 40%

[SHAQATTACK]

When Rondo mind is locked into the game , like the Nets game ......he is the best point guard in the NBA .   Then he seems less focused and I'm a bit let down for some reason.... CP3 is more stable from game to game.

When Rondo is mentally locked in, the whole team becomes like on steroids and usually responds to his energy ...he is their leader .

If he drifts off his mark......we usually come up short.

I suspect he'll be in rare form for OKC and Perk

[Clench123]

I'm starting to think there might be something to this.  Of course the Bulls were fatigued but you can't discount the fact that our offense flowed better without Rondo and it's been like that everytime we play without Rondo.  Very small sample but I do see it and I'm a big Rondo fan.  I just hope that we can flip him for a center when we decide to trade him.

[GreenFaith1819]

We basically have three years of proof that the team wins more when Rondo sits. Check the win loss records.  We lose his playmaking ability, but having competent scorers out there is a powerful thing.


We were dreadful last year in games rondo played. I think we won 3 out of 33 games or something.

The year prior we were under 500 until rondo got hurt and the team rallied and made the playoffs.

Rondo is a terrific player and can be big in the right system, but his contributions are a bit overrated.

i was perhaps the first poster to broach this topic consistently here and the numbers you cite need deeper analysis. yes, in the celtics w/l record over the past 2 seasons + 6 games the celtics win more without rondo than with him. but, not dramatically so. last year is hard to count (or needs to be counted very carefully) given his recovery from injury. this year, he did not make training camp and it is, after all, 6 games.

the way i put the conundrum was to ask WHY the celtics w/l record does not reflect what rondo is supposed to bring to this team, an improved offense and defense and thus more wins. any possible answer can NOT be provided after 6 games this season, but only at mid-season or later.

2011-12
w/out
8 wins 5 losses
win percentage 62%

with
31 wins 22 losses
win percentage 58%

2012-13
w/out
21 wins 17 losses
win percentage 55%

with
20 wins 23 losses
win percentage 46%

2013-14
w/out
19 wins 33 loses
win percentage 36%

with
6 wins 24 losses
win percentage 20%

2014-15
w/out
1 win 0 losses
win percentage 100%

with
2 wins 3 losses
win percentage 40%

[Chris22]

We basically have three years of proof that the team wins more when Rondo sits. Check the win loss records.  We lose his playmaking ability, but having competent scorers out there is a powerful thing.


We were dreadful last year in games rondo played. I think we won 3 out of 33 games or something.

The year prior we were under 500 until rondo got hurt and the team rallied and made the playoffs.

Rondo is a terrific player and can be big in the right system, but his contributions are a bit overrated.

i was perhaps the first poster to broach this topic consistently here and the numbers you cite need deeper analysis. yes, in the celtics w/l record over the past 2 seasons + 6 games the celtics win more without rondo than with him. but, not dramatically so. last year is hard to count (or needs to be counted very carefully) given his recovery from injury. this year, he did not make training camp and it is, after all, 6 games.

the way i put the conundrum was to ask WHY the celtics w/l record does not reflect what rondo is supposed to bring to this team, an improved offense and defense and thus more wins. any possible answer can NOT be provided after 6 games this season, but only at mid-season or later.

2011-12
w/out
8 wins 5 losses
win percentage 62%

with
31 wins 22 losses
win percentage 58%

2012-13
w/out
21 wins 17 losses
win percentage 55%

with
20 wins 23 losses
win percentage 46%

2013-14
w/out
19 wins 33 loses
win percentage 36%

with
6 wins 24 losses
win percentage 20%

2014-15
w/out
1 win 0 losses
win percentage 100%

with
2 wins 3 losses
win percentage 40%

Add to this the fact that Rondo was the 32nd ranked point guard in PER last season and is the 26th ranked point guard in PER this season, and it's a case closed