So No Rondo, No Triple Double and We Win

[P stoff]

Agree.. the Celtics are not going to fall apart without Rondo...and they wont make any playoff noise with him. So... it makes no sense to devoutly avoid trading him for needs (center, slasher/shoter PG).

He will not attract big time FA's and will do more to stunt the growth of young players than assist it. Just my 2 cents

[playdream]

Why? Why is it every time the Celtics win without Rondo, threads like these pop up?

Perhaps because it's the truth, you can't handle the truth?

[Eddie20]

I don't think Rondo is worse than Smart or Pressy as a player, nor is he a bad player
it's just he didn't fit into the system(at least so far)
<If you can put 3 HoFs around him he will give you the ring, for example>
and for that you don't give him max contract
so if he want max it's better to trade him when you can

He would excel in a 1/4 type offense where Rondo is running a lot of high pick and rolls, is surrounded by catch and shoot players who excel without the ball, and he has the ball in his hands the majority of the shot clock. In Stevens' system, where ball movement and floor spacing is paramount, I don't think he moves the needle as much as many think. That said, I wouldn't mind re-signing him, even if it's at near max money. Simply because I don't want to lose him for nothing and think that a 4 or 5 year deal at that price would be reasonable due to the expected rise in salary cap. We could eventually trade him and the return would likely be better since he'd be locked up for several seasons.

[Rondo9]

Why? Why is it every time the Celtics win without Rondo, threads like these pop up?

Perhaps because it's the truth, you can't handle the truth?

You know part of me hopes Rondo gets traded, he gets no respect from Celtics fans.

[Eddie20]

Why? Why is it every time the Celtics win without Rondo, threads like these pop up?

But that's just it, they sure seem to win a lot without him. If that weren't the case, and this team would consistently collapse without him, then these doubts would never pop up.

[Rondo9]

Why? Why is it every time the Celtics win without Rondo, threads like these pop up?

But that's just it, they sure seem to win a lot without him. If that weren't the case, and this team would consistently collapse without him, then these doubts would never pop up.

You could say the same for Rose.....

[Smartacus]

This logic just screams the need for a larger sample size. The first game where we blew out Brooklyn Rondo was the best player on the floor all night, where was this thread then.

The Problem with Rondo is that he really does work better when he has legitimate all stars to play with. I'm not talking Olynyk style high level role players but legitimate top 50 NBA caliber talent to play off of. Since we don't have anyone like that except for Jeff Green (who probably had his worst game tonight without Rondo) Rondo is forced to run super distributor mode where the defense can just suck in around him because nobody else provides a big enough threat to draw away attention. 

So maybe this team, as currently constructed, might actually work better without Rondo where there really is no primary ball handler and the ball just whips around to everyone. But if we can manage to get even one other top tier talent, then Rondo will be back to a top 5 PG who can take over games with his passing, scoring and yes rebounding. 

[Tr1boy]

Why? Why is it every time the Celtics win without Rondo, threads like these pop up?

Perhaps because it's the truth, you can't handle the truth?

You know part of me hopes Rondo gets traded, he gets no respect from Celtics fans.

Can i ask you. Are you even happy we won tonight?

[zimbo]

Last year Rondo was the 32nd ranked point guard in the league in PER.

This year he is ranked 26nd, just ahead of Jerryd Bayless.

Danny, please trade Rondo before the deadline.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg

If Rondo re-signs, will you stop posting?

[P stoff]

Rondo never really made a habit of "taking over" games on a regular basis... and rarely with scoring. More than half of his assists were kick outs to KG and set plays for Allen running off of screens. He was a perfect fit for that team... but is not a DIFFERENCE MAKER with this one. The theory is that if we get another top tier player, then Rondo will...do what... set him up?

The past is hard to forget, but if we were to add a post scorer or consistent slasher/scorer, Rondo would be no better fit than most other NBA pGs.  His value that sticks in peoples minds is that of a genius who controls every play... and without him we would be lost.

Not seeing that if I'm really looking truthfully (without emotion) at the situation right now.

[Eddie20]

Why? Why is it every time the Celtics win without Rondo, threads like these pop up?

But that's just it, they sure seem to win a lot without him. If that weren't the case, and this team would consistently collapse without him, then these doubts would never pop up.

You could say the same for Rose.....

Perhaps, but this topic is about Rondo not Rose.

[Rondo9]

Why? Why is it every time the Celtics win without Rondo, threads like these pop up?

Perhaps because it's the truth, you can't handle the truth?

You know part of me hopes Rondo gets traded, he gets no respect from Celtics fans.

Can i ask you. Are you even happy we won tonight?

Yes, not happy with this thread though.

[zimbo]

I can't wait til he re-signs, and the haters scatter up outta here.

[chenaren]

I can't wait til he re-signs, and the haters scatter up outta here.

Unless Rondo manages to get a no-trade clause, people can always purpose various trade ideas. 

[zimbo]

I don't think Rondo is worse than Smart or Pressy as a player, nor is he a bad player
it's just he didn't fit into the system(at least so far)
<If you can put 3 HoFs around him he will give you the ring, for example>
and for that you don't give him max contract
so if he want max it's better to trade him when you can

What are you talking about? I assume you aren't watching the games and just checking box scores. He most definately fits the system. It was tailored to him.