Biggest Disappointment So Far

[mmmmm]

Isnt it time for Rondo to take a game off or something.  We will see if your theory is true. Bc we dont know if without Rondo this teams offense will suffer. Some actually have said the ball moves around better , which leads to easier baskets.

And likely our defense (ab, smart) will improve without Rondo.

  Does it need to be a whole game? Can't you just watch for the team to play well in a couple of his 4-5 minute breaks during the game and extrapolate the entire season based on that?

Sure. Vs the mavs with 3 min left in the 2nd quarter, smart comes in for rondo. And then magically our defense is better (smart not letting his man get by, no domino effect). Our offense plays better. And we start cutting into the lead, build confidence and gaining momentum

So… in that vein, can we look also at the last few minutes of the _first_ period?

With 5:45 to go, the C's were down by 8 when Smart came into the game for Green.  A minute and a half later (Mavs scored 6 to our 2 to make it a 12 point lead), Rondo went to the bench with 4:21 remaining (replaced by Turner).  Over the next 2 and a half minutes, the Mavs continued to out-score us 9 to 2 before Smart left the game.  The score was now 36-17, Mavs leading by 19.

Should we extrapolate the whole season from those few minutes that Smart came in, in which the team was outscored 15-4 in less than 4 minutes and fell into a deep hole from which they couldn't quite climb back out of?

[Tr1boy]

Isnt it time for Rondo to take a game off or something.  We will see if your theory is true. Bc we dont know if without Rondo this teams offense will suffer. Some actually have said the ball moves around better , which leads to easier baskets.

And likely our defense (ab, smart) will improve without Rondo.

  Does it need to be a whole game? Can't you just watch for the team to play well in a couple of his 4-5 minute breaks during the game and extrapolate the entire season based on that?

Sure. Vs the mavs with 3 min left in the 2nd quarter, smart comes in for rondo. And then magically our defense is better (smart not letting his man get by, no domino effect). Our offense plays better. And we start cutting into the lead, build confidence and gaining momentum

  Smart didn't come in for Rondo with 3 minutes left in the half, he came into the game with just over 8 minutes left in the half. At the time we were down 25, we ended the quarter down 26.

  Rondo did come out of the game with 3 minutes left in the half. We were down 28, and in those 3 minutes the team built a ton of confidence and gained a boatload of momentum by shaving an entire *2* points off the lead.

  Hilarious.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/nba/pbp.asp?gamecode=2014110306&home=6&vis=2

Rondo leaves at 2:56 score celts 35, mavs 63. End of quarter score 41 mavs 67

It is only by 2 ppts bbtim but you obviously are ignoring the "momentum swing" effect. How were we doing before rondo left?   How many pts and at waht rate were they acoring?? What happened when ab and smart came in and ro do leaving with less than 3 min?

Obvious things you overlook or dont want to acknowledge. You prob went for a break when rondo got substituted im guessing

[Celtics18]

Isnt it time for Rondo to take a game off or something.  We will see if your theory is true. Bc we dont know if without Rondo this teams offense will suffer. Some actually have said the ball moves around better , which leads to easier baskets.

And likely our defense (ab, smart) will improve without Rondo.

  Does it need to be a whole game? Can't you just watch for the team to play well in a couple of his 4-5 minute breaks during the game and extrapolate the entire season based on that?

Sure. Vs the mavs with 3 min left in the 2nd quarter, smart comes in for rondo. And then magically our defense is better (smart not letting his man get by, no domino effect). Our offense plays better. And we start cutting into the lead, build confidence and gaining momentum

  Smart didn't come in for Rondo with 3 minutes left in the half, he came into the game with just over 8 minutes left in the half. At the time we were down 25, we ended the quarter down 26.

  Rondo did come out of the game with 3 minutes left in the half. We were down 28, and in those 3 minutes the team built a ton of confidence and gained a boatload of momentum by shaving an entire *2* points off the lead.

  Hilarious.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/nba/pbp.asp?gamecode=2014110306&home=6&vis=2

Rondo leaves at 2:56 score celts 35, mavs 63. End of quarter score 41 mavs 67

It is only by 2 ppts bbtim but you obviously are ignoring the "momentum swing" effect. How were we doing before rondo left?   How many pts and at waht rate were they acoring?? What happened when ab and smart came in and ro do leaving with less than 3 min?

Obvious things you overlook or dont want to acknowledge. You prob went for a break when rondo got substituted im guessing

According to that same box score, when Marcus Smart checked in for his first stint, the score was 13-21 in favor of the Mavericks.  When Marcus got replaced again, the score was 17-36 for the Mavs.  That means the Celtics got outscored by 4 to 15 over that stretch.

Obviously, I'm not going to look at the boxscore in that way and blame Marcus Smart for the loss.  He was one of the key players (along with Rondo) in leading the comeback in the second half.

It's a silly exercise.  You really ought to know better.

Edit:

 

Oops, I see that mmmm has just pointed out the exact same thing.

I guess it can't hurt for this to be repeated, though. 

[wayupnorth]

Isnt it time for Rondo to take a game off or something.  We will see if your theory is true. Bc we dont know if without Rondo this teams offense will suffer. Some actually have said the ball moves around better , which leads to easier baskets.

And likely our defense (ab, smart) will improve without Rondo.

Do you get how illogical you sound?

Frankly, you are WRONG about Rondo in almost every single aspect, and it shows your lack of ability to analyze the game of basketball.

Some posters don't like his game, some don't like him, but you are by far the most irrational poster when it comes to Rondo, and it affects your credibility in all other basketball aspects.

Get a clue.

Ok thanks. Try watching tonights game without your rondo jersey or goggles. Watch how he plays defense .

lol

[wayupnorth]

Isnt it time for Rondo to take a game off or something.  We will see if your theory is true. Bc we dont know if without Rondo this teams offense will suffer. Some actually have said the ball moves around better , which leads to easier baskets.

And likely our defense (ab, smart) will improve without Rondo.

  Does it need to be a whole game? Can't you just watch for the team to play well in a couple of his 4-5 minute breaks during the game and extrapolate the entire season based on that?

Sure. Vs the mavs with 3 min left in the 2nd quarter, smart comes in for rondo. And then magically our defense is better (smart not letting his man get by, no domino effect). Our offense plays better. And we start cutting into the lead, build confidence and gaining momentum

  Smart didn't come in for Rondo with 3 minutes left in the half, he came into the game with just over 8 minutes left in the half. At the time we were down 25, we ended the quarter down 26.

  Rondo did come out of the game with 3 minutes left in the half. We were down 28, and in those 3 minutes the team built a ton of confidence and gained a boatload of momentum by shaving an entire *2* points off the lead.

  Hilarious.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/nba/pbp.asp?gamecode=2014110306&home=6&vis=2

Rondo leaves at 2:56 score celts 35, mavs 63. End of quarter score 41 mavs 67

It is only by 2 ppts bbtim but you obviously are ignoring the "momentum swing" effect. How were we doing before rondo left?   How many pts and at waht rate were they acoring?? What happened when ab and smart came in and ro do leaving with less than 3 min?

Obvious things you overlook or dont want to acknowledge. You prob went for a break when rondo got substituted im guessing

**** wow. That is ridiculous.

[Future Celtics Owner]

That James young has not gotten a chance to play more.

[BballTim]

Isnt it time for Rondo to take a game off or something.  We will see if your theory is true. Bc we dont know if without Rondo this teams offense will suffer. Some actually have said the ball moves around better , which leads to easier baskets.

And likely our defense (ab, smart) will improve without Rondo.

  Does it need to be a whole game? Can't you just watch for the team to play well in a couple of his 4-5 minute breaks during the game and extrapolate the entire season based on that?

Sure. Vs the mavs with 3 min left in the 2nd quarter, smart comes in for rondo. And then magically our defense is better (smart not letting his man get by, no domino effect). Our offense plays better. And we start cutting into the lead, build confidence and gaining momentum

  Smart didn't come in for Rondo with 3 minutes left in the half, he came into the game with just over 8 minutes left in the half. At the time we were down 25, we ended the quarter down 26.

  Rondo did come out of the game with 3 minutes left in the half. We were down 28, and in those 3 minutes the team built a ton of confidence and gained a boatload of momentum by shaving an entire *2* points off the lead.

  Hilarious.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/nba/pbp.asp?gamecode=2014110306&home=6&vis=2

Rondo leaves at 2:56 score celts 35, mavs 63. End of quarter score 41 mavs 67

It is only by 2 ppts bbtim but you obviously are ignoring the "momentum swing" effect. How were we doing before rondo left?   How many pts and at waht rate were they acoring?? What happened when ab and smart came in and ro do leaving with less than 3 min?

Obvious things you overlook or dont want to acknowledge. You prob went for a break when rondo got substituted im guessing

  Oh, I didn't watch much of the game, what's your excuse? First of all, again, Smart didn't come into the game at the 3 minute mark. He'd already been in the game for a while. Also, AB didn't come in when Rondo came out, he left the game when Rondo did. I don't know that 6 points in 3 minutes (scoring once in your last 4 possessions) and cutting a lead from 28 to 26 points constitutes a huge momentum swing. I think you're just grasping for straws, and seem to be ignoring the fact that you brought this up as "Smart came in for Rondo and the Celts started playing great" which clearly didn't happen.

[inverselock]

3 games in... come on now..

but since we're doing it... Rondo. The assist numbers will always be there, but he's got some major lapses on D and that shot... *sigh

I'll still blame hand injury... for now

what? You can't take the assists for granted. 15 assists in a game is darn good. What did Kelly give us? I think right now we are better off giving Bass KO's mins. Kelly needs to earn back his mins. He can start by cutting his hair. I find it hard to take him seriously when he's constantly adjusting his hair.

Assists are overrated.   You get in assist for passing the ball to someone making a tough jump shot.  Getting open for a shot and making it is more important.

  You get a lot more assists passing the ball to someone to make an easy shot like Rondo does.  Not for nothing, but last year the Celts eFG% on shots from passes (it would be an assist if the basket was made) was about 55%. Their eFG% on all other shots was about 40%. In the average game they'd take about 44 assisted fg attempts and get about 48 points, they'd take about 40 fg attempts that weren't assisted and get about 32 points from those shots. So, in the grand scheme of things, assists really aren't overrated.

Fair enough.  They just gotta stop counting the pass to a contested jump shot, shot of the dribble, post moves, as assists.   Would give more meaning to the stat.

[BballTim]

3 games in... come on now..

but since we're doing it... Rondo. The assist numbers will always be there, but he's got some major lapses on D and that shot... *sigh

I'll still blame hand injury... for now

what? You can't take the assists for granted. 15 assists in a game is darn good. What did Kelly give us? I think right now we are better off giving Bass KO's mins. Kelly needs to earn back his mins. He can start by cutting his hair. I find it hard to take him seriously when he's constantly adjusting his hair.

Assists are overrated.   You get in assist for passing the ball to someone making a tough jump shot.  Getting open for a shot and making it is more important.

  You get a lot more assists passing the ball to someone to make an easy shot like Rondo does.  Not for nothing, but last year the Celts eFG% on shots from passes (it would be an assist if the basket was made) was about 55%. Their eFG% on all other shots was about 40%. In the average game they'd take about 44 assisted fg attempts and get about 48 points, they'd take about 40 fg attempts that weren't assisted and get about 32 points from those shots. So, in the grand scheme of things, assists really aren't overrated.

Fair enough.  They just gotta stop counting the pass to a contested jump shot, shot of the dribble, post moves, as assists.   Would give more meaning to the stat.

  I think this falls under the "can't please everybody" category.

[inverselock]

Just saying they give them out to easily.   

[bostonsportsfan]

Avery Bradley is taking up wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy tooo much salary cap space to be playing the kinda defense hes been playing this year Instead of Trade Rondo how about we trade Bradley?

[Lucky17]

Avery Bradley is taking up wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy tooo much salary cap space to be playing the kinda defense hes been playing this year Instead of Trade Rondo how about we trade Bradley?

[knuckleballer]

Avery Bradley is taking up wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy tooo much salary cap space to be playing the kinda defense hes been playing this year Instead of Trade Rondo how about we trade Bradley?

I think Bradley is trying to do too much.  He needs to stay within himself and be a 3 and d guy.

[bostonsportsfan]

except the way that danny ainge paid him leads me to believe that he is the Revis Island of the Celtics pick the opponents best scorer and shut him down not seeing it

[crimson_stallion]

I'm actually going to say Thornton.

Granted, he's been playing some pretty fantastic defence...but he was arguably our most consistent scorer in the preseason and was lights-out almost every night, and the past two games he's been nearly invisible.

I'm not going to judge him too harshly yet though because it is a new system for him, and I absolutely appreciate the effort he is putting in on D.