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Biggest Disappointment So Far
« on: November 04, 2014, 10:45:51 PM »

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My biggest disappointment this young season:  Kelly Olynyk.  The first game was statistically nice, 19 points, but that had less to do with asserting himself and more being in the right place at the right time.

Since then, he seems to be standing around, afraid to shoot, gets in early foul trouble, afraid to take charge. 

When Sully starts off bad, he just seems to shake it off, crash the boards, stay engaged.  Kelly seems afraid to hurt his teammates' feelings by taking a shot.  He is probably one of the top 2-3 3 point shooters, certainly the best among the bigs, and seems more content passing it up to a weaker shooting team mate. 

Am I being too harsh here?

Re: Biggest Disappointment So Far
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2014, 11:08:19 PM »

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He's kind of awkward and needs a haircut.

Re: Biggest Disappointment So Far
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2014, 11:11:08 PM »

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3 games in... come on now..

but since we're doing it... Rondo. The assist numbers will always be there, but he's got some major lapses on D and that shot... *sigh

I'll still blame hand injury... for now
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2014, 11:14:49 PM »

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My biggest disappointment this young season:  Kelly Olynyk.  The first game was statistically nice, 19 points, but that had less to do with asserting himself and more being in the right place at the right time.

Since then, he seems to be standing around, afraid to shoot, gets in early foul trouble, afraid to take charge. 

When Sully starts off bad, he just seems to shake it off, crash the boards, stay engaged.  Kelly seems afraid to hurt his teammates' feelings by taking a shot.  He is probably one of the top 2-3 3 point shooters, certainly the best among the bigs, and seems more content passing it up to a weaker shooting team mate. 

Am I being too harsh here?

not really. I agree he has to be more to be more selfish.   I would be happy seeing him go 0-6 shooting the threes even.   He does alot of the other little things to help the team and thats why Brad has not took him out of the starting lineup so far.

The biggest disappointment for me so far is Rondo's crappy defense.  Not staying in front of his man like glue, not fighting through picks and eyes still wandering all over the place.  You let that pg through and everyone else is scrambling to try to bail you out. 

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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2014, 11:17:27 PM »

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3 games in... come on now..

but since we're doing it... Rondo. The assist numbers will always be there, but he's got some major lapses on D and that shot... *sigh

I'll still blame hand injury... for now
what? You can't take the assists for granted. 15 assists in a game is darn good. What did Kelly give us? I think right now we are better off giving Bass KO's mins. Kelly needs to earn back his mins. He can start by cutting his hair. I find it hard to take him seriously when he's constantly adjusting his hair.

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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2014, 11:20:34 PM »

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3 games in... come on now..

but since we're doing it... Rondo. The assist numbers will always be there, but he's got some major lapses on D and that shot... *sigh

I'll still blame hand injury... for now
what? You can't take the assists for granted. 15 assists in a game is darn good. What did Kelly give us? I think right now we are better off giving Bass KO's mins. Kelly needs to earn back his mins. He can start by cutting his hair. I find it hard to take him seriously when he's constantly adjusting his hair.


This is fair. I just can't forgive the defensive issues... rotations have been off for a guy with the most experience on the team.
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Even at the end of the game, we lined up in different formation that he hadn't seen and he called out our play before I got the ball. I heard him calling it out. -John Wall on Brad Stevens

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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2014, 11:25:13 PM »

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3 games in... come on now..

but since we're doing it... Rondo. The assist numbers will always be there, but he's got some major lapses on D and that shot... *sigh

I'll still blame hand injury... for now

+1.  There are no more excuse. Stay in front of your man and fight through the picks. Backpeddle faster instead of trying to the octopus wrap around attempt to steal the ball.

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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2014, 11:26:58 PM »

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3 games in... come on now..

but since we're doing it... Rondo. The assist numbers will always be there, but he's got some major lapses on D and that shot... *sigh

I'll still blame hand injury... for now
what? You can't take the assists for granted. 15 assists in a game is darn good. What did Kelly give us? I think right now we are better off giving Bass KO's mins. Kelly needs to earn back his mins. He can start by cutting his hair. I find it hard to take him seriously when he's constantly adjusting his hair.

Assists are overrated.   You get in assist for passing the ball to someone making a tough jump shot.  Getting open for a shot and making it is more important.

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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2014, 11:32:21 PM »

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3 games in... come on now..

but since we're doing it... Rondo. The assist numbers will always be there, but he's got some major lapses on D and that shot... *sigh

I'll still blame hand injury... for now

+1.  There are no more excuse. Stay in front of your man and fight through the picks. Backpeddle faster instead of trying to the octopus wrap around attempt to steal the ball.
There are a lot worse things to worry about then Rondo's defense. Sure he gambles sometimes but for the most part he plays decent defense. The biggest issues on D are Jeff Green never closing out on his man and Kelly's clumsy defense.

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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2014, 11:34:56 PM »

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3 games in... come on now..

but since we're doing it... Rondo. The assist numbers will always be there, but he's got some major lapses on D and that shot... *sigh

I'll still blame hand injury... for now
what? You can't take the assists for granted. 15 assists in a game is darn good. What did Kelly give us? I think right now we are better off giving Bass KO's mins. Kelly needs to earn back his mins. He can start by cutting his hair. I find it hard to take him seriously when he's constantly adjusting his hair.

Assists are overrated.   You get in assist for passing the ball to someone making a tough jump shot.  Getting open for a shot and making it is more important.
Karl Malone might disagree with this who benefitted from playing with one of best point guards. You make it seem like anyone can grab a bunch of assists. Was Stockton over rated then?

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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2014, 11:40:59 PM »

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Kelly Olynyk's defense has been the biggest for me, been too slow on rotations and he reacts very poorly when contesting shots. I expected much better positional defense, but he's just too slow to react.

I expected to see more ball pressure from our guards, which finally showed up in the last game's second half.

Off the ball movement has been inconsistent, though much of it was problematic from Houston's defensive scheme... it comes and goes.

Shooting in general has been bit colder in the last two games, I hope it doesn't last much.

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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2014, 12:00:04 AM »

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Kelly Olynyk's defense has been the biggest for me, been too slow on rotations and he reacts very poorly when contesting shots. I expected much better positional defense, but he's just too slow to react.

I expected to see more ball pressure from our guards, which finally showed up in the last game's second half.

Off the ball movement has been inconsistent, though much of it was problematic from Houston's defensive scheme... it comes and goes.

Shooting in general has been bit colder in the last two games, I hope it doesn't last much.
to be disappointed you first have to have expectations. honestly, after last season how could anyone realistically think olly was a good defender? it is not a "choice", pitino be [dang]ed. olly is simply a slow human being when moving side to side. his lateral movement has always been mediocre.

last season, and so far this season, watch how he plays way off his man to compensate for his inability to stop his man from blasting by him.

but, as long as olly puts up offensive numbers, you live with the defense. besides, it is only game 3. lets wait until game 20 before weighing in on this team.
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Re: Biggest Disappointment So Far
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2014, 12:11:02 AM »

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3 games in... come on now..

but since we're doing it... Rondo. The assist numbers will always be there, but he's got some major lapses on D and that shot... *sigh

I'll still blame hand injury... for now
what? You can't take the assists for granted. 15 assists in a game is darn good. What did Kelly give us? I think right now we are better off giving Bass KO's mins. Kelly needs to earn back his mins. He can start by cutting his hair. I find it hard to take him seriously when he's constantly adjusting his hair.

Assists are overrated.   You get in assist for passing the ball to someone making a tough jump shot.  Getting open for a shot and making it is more important.
Karl Malone might disagree with this who benefitted from playing with one of best point guards. You make it seem like anyone can grab a bunch of assists. Was Stockton over rated then?

No opinion about Stockton's rating.  I just don't put much stock in assists.   The player putting the ball in the basket has a more difficult task.

Championships are won by scorers that pass sometimes not passers that score sometimes. 

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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2014, 12:25:05 AM »

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3 games in... come on now..

but since we're doing it... Rondo. The assist numbers will always be there, but he's got some major lapses on D and that shot... *sigh

I'll still blame hand injury... for now
what? You can't take the assists for granted. 15 assists in a game is darn good. What did Kelly give us? I think right now we are better off giving Bass KO's mins. Kelly needs to earn back his mins. He can start by cutting his hair. I find it hard to take him seriously when he's constantly adjusting his hair.

Assists are overrated.   You get in assist for passing the ball to someone making a tough jump shot.  Getting open for a shot and making it is more important.
Karl Malone might disagree with this who benefitted from playing with one of best point guards. You make it seem like anyone can grab a bunch of assists. Was Stockton over rated then?

No opinion about Stockton's rating.  I just don't put much stock in assists.   The player putting the ball in the basket has a more difficult task.

Championships are won by scorers that pass sometimes not passers that score sometimes.
Watch a NBA shoot around and watch how many shots go in. Way more then in the game. Every player is going to hit more shots when open. And that's what Rondo does better then most every other point guard. He gets guys open looks. Not to mention the easy layups and dunks. The kickouts when the D caves in. The pick and pops and hitting guys in stride. How can you dismiss all this and say its all the shooter?

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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2014, 12:47:15 AM »

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3 games in... come on now..

but since we're doing it... Rondo. The assist numbers will always be there, but he's got some major lapses on D and that shot... *sigh

I'll still blame hand injury... for now
what? You can't take the assists for granted. 15 assists in a game is darn good. What did Kelly give us? I think right now we are better off giving Bass KO's mins. Kelly needs to earn back his mins. He can start by cutting his hair. I find it hard to take him seriously when he's constantly adjusting his hair.

Assists are overrated.   You get in assist for passing the ball to someone making a tough jump shot.  Getting open for a shot and making it is more important.
Karl Malone might disagree with this who benefitted from playing with one of best point guards. You make it seem like anyone can grab a bunch of assists. Was Stockton over rated then?

No opinion about Stockton's rating.  I just don't put much stock in assists.   The player putting the ball in the basket has a more difficult task.

Championships are won by scorers that pass sometimes not passers that score sometimes.
Watch a NBA shoot around and watch how many shots go in. Way more then in the game. Every player is going to hit more shots when open. And that's what Rondo does better then most every other point guard. He gets guys open looks. Not to mention the easy layups and dunks. The kickouts when the D caves in. The pick and pops and hitting guys in stride. How can you dismiss all this and say its all the shooter?


Even an open jumpshot isn't a gimme.   Lots of players pass up those opportunities. 

Can't put anything quantifiable on it, I just think putting the ball in the basket is far more difficult, even if your open.

The pass doesn't get someone open.   

The assister gets too much credit for doing only 1 part of the 3 actions required to get the assist.