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Re: I gotta admit the more i hear, the less i'm liking Stevens
« Reply #45 on: October 03, 2014, 04:40:08 PM »

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I just think a player going into what his 10th season? who just "recently found his 3 pt. shot" is a recipe for disaster.


This is exactly what Paul Millsap did last season. Same age as Bass, extended his range to three pointers, and hit them at 36%.

I was really hoping for this development for Bass. it's much more of a "why not?" situation than a "why, oh why?" :)

Re: I gotta admit the more i hear, the less i'm liking Stevens
« Reply #46 on: October 03, 2014, 06:11:20 PM »

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we'll see how well he shoots it now that the shot has to be respected.

Re: I gotta admit the more i hear, the less i'm liking Stevens
« Reply #47 on: October 03, 2014, 06:57:23 PM »

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Just what the doctor ordered

Bass launching threes

Bass should also play center with his sure grip mitts.

Re: I gotta admit the more i hear, the less i'm liking Stevens
« Reply #48 on: October 03, 2014, 07:00:30 PM »

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Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. lol

Came in expecting a legitimate complaint.

Re: I gotta admit the more i hear, the less i'm liking Stevens
« Reply #49 on: October 03, 2014, 07:27:18 PM »

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**** lol.

if you don't want to look at the team objectively that's fine with me.

Re: I gotta admit the more i hear, the less i'm liking Stevens
« Reply #50 on: October 03, 2014, 07:28:45 PM »

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Just what the doctor ordered

Bass launching threes

Bass should also play center with his sure grip mitts.

I was thinking he should play SG. a center shooting 3's!?!!?? c'mon man!

Re: I gotta admit the more i hear, the less i'm liking Stevens
« Reply #51 on: October 03, 2014, 08:15:55 PM »

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but I do know the best someone is going to shoot from 3 pt. range is 35%, or close to that. it just seems like a waste of time to me.
35 is more like league average, "the best" is clozer to 45.
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Re: I gotta admit the more i hear, the less i'm liking Stevens
« Reply #52 on: October 03, 2014, 09:01:12 PM »

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**** lol.

if you don't want to look at the team objectively that's fine with me.

We generally like looking at the team objectively.  You're the one who brought the old school inability to look up and understand stats into this thread.
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Re: I gotta admit the more i hear, the less i'm liking Stevens
« Reply #53 on: October 03, 2014, 09:07:56 PM »

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**** lol.

if you don't want to look at the team objectively that's fine with me.

We generally like looking at the team objectively.  You're the one who brought the old school inability to look up and understand stats into this thread.

I really don't see what's so bad about Bass taking corner 3s. If he can't hit them he will be told to stop attempting them. I know people will bring up Sully, I never looked it up to know if it's true, but CBS insists that when Sully didn't have the injured finger he shot like 34%. If that's the case, I can see why he was told to keep shooting them. I'll take 34% (hopefully better as he  works on it more) from my PF/C all day every day!
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« Reply #54 on: October 03, 2014, 09:25:05 PM »

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**** lol.

if you don't want to look at the team objectively that's fine with me.

We generally like looking at the team objectively.  You're the one who brought the old school inability to look up and understand stats into this thread.

I really don't see what's so bad about Bass taking corner 3s. If he can't hit them he will be told to stop attempting them. I know people will bring up Sully, I never looked it up to know if it's true, but CBS insists that when Sully didn't have the injured finger he shot like 34%. If that's the case, I can see why he was told to keep shooting them. I'll take 34% (hopefully better as he  works on it more) from my PF/C all day every day!

I'm referencing that GreenWarrior started this thread with the laughable idea that the 3-point shot is the least efficient shot and the assertion that Sullinger shoots more 3's than 2's (followed by a CYA claim that it was sarcasm).

The stats suggest that Sullinger shoots threes well in a pick-and-pop context, but not so well spotting up.

The problem is that some people, such as GreenWarrior, have an old-school mentality where they are uncomfortable with big men who don't rely on a traditional post-up offense.  It's an emotional attachment to an out-dated view of the game.
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Re: I gotta admit the more i hear, the less i'm liking Stevens
« Reply #55 on: October 03, 2014, 09:25:54 PM »

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it's nice that we have all these stretch 4's but is anyone going to play down low? one of our 18 SG's?
If you're looking for Brandon Bass to play down low, that ship sailed long ago.

This.  You've got to work with a players strengths at this point in his career.  There is no way that Bass is going to become a low-post weapon. 

Re: I gotta admit the more i hear, the less i'm liking Stevens
« Reply #56 on: October 03, 2014, 09:47:32 PM »

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Okay. Shouldn't have been a jerk.

But still. All the responses in this thread should tell you what you need to know.

I just hope you're not one of those who constantly berates guys like Bass because they're supposedly garbage without upside and getting in the way of the tanking...

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« Reply #57 on: October 03, 2014, 10:10:18 PM »

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in 2010,2011 and 2012 Bass was top 3 in the NBA in jumpshooting from 10-15 feet. For a few years there, it was basically a three way battle for the number one mid range jumpshooter in the NBA between Bass, KG and Nowitzki.

The KG+Bass duo was crucial for us in the 2012 ECF run throughout the playoffs and Bass+KG were actually #1 and #2 in the NBA for jumpshots from 10-15 feet.

Anyway, I do like trying to make him a better three point shooter. I think the corner three has the highest efficiency because it's the closest 3 point shot to the basket. (Correct me if I'm wrong).

I've always wondered how many more points KG would have gotten if he had taken a step backwards from all those 15-19 feet jumpshots that he was so good at. The one part of his game that never really developed. I guess his long range 2 point jumpshots were effective enough at dragging his opponent away from the basket that it became an after thought.

I do remember the pain Chris Bosh caused us in 2012 when he sat on the three point line as Bass tried to guard Lebron in games 6 and 7.
Those Bosh threes were daggers and Bass, Sully and Olynyk all getting that skill would be so valuable going forward.

Remember that the point of getting Bass to take this shot isn't just so he can hit the three and add it to his game (that's a nice benefit).
The aim behind it is to take Bass' opponent away from the basket so someone like Smart or Bradley can get to the rim without meeting a center and a power forward.
If Bass' opponent wants to cover Bass on the perimeter, then our wings have an easier time getting to the hole.
If Bass' opponent wants to sag off Bass and help defend on our wing while he drives, then Bass has a nice wide open look.

Again I'll go back to the 2012 ECF and KG having those 'pick your poison' decisions to make, when Lebron had Bass guarding him in game 7, and an exhausted KG had to decide whether to cover Bosh drifting out to the three point line, or protect the basket from Lebron driving.
KG did an excellent job and obviously chose to help on Lebron- Bosh was good enough to bury those corner threes. You just can't stop a tandem like that when they are firing.

« Last Edit: October 03, 2014, 10:20:09 PM by chambers »
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Re: I gotta admit the more i hear, the less i'm liking Stevens
« Reply #58 on: October 03, 2014, 10:41:41 PM »

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I have no idea why you're lamenting about bigs not playing down in the low post when Bass' whole career has been based upon shooting midrange jump shots.  He has never once been your prototypical low post threat.

Some bigs play down low, some stretch the defense.  Bass just so happens to be latter; just because he's now stretching the defense to the three-point line doesn't suddenly change the fact that he's ALWAYS primarily been a jump shooting big.

Re: I gotta admit the more i hear, the less i'm liking Stevens
« Reply #59 on: October 03, 2014, 11:48:22 PM »

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The more I hear from Stevens, the more I like him.

I think Bass is a lot better jump shooter than Sully, therefore he has a better chance of being a better three shooter.