Cavs trade for Bogans. It's official.

[Lucky17]

Not sure. It can be an endless guessing game from now till  end of Bogans' contact.
Edit: Also I never said it had to be for one guy either. Can be a combination of things. Maybe a partial salary dump ect that scores a lower lottery pick.

It's always fun to play the game of what we "could/should" have done, especially when we have NO inside information on what can actually be done.

 
But this is twice in a row a seemingly good chip/asset gets little in return.  The Pierce TPE and now Bogans non-guarantee. Ironically both go while in Cav dealings.

The Pierce TPE would've expired shortly, so it was use it or lose it.  And Zeller + Thornton's expiring deal + a 1st isn't a gamechanger but is hardly "little".

I think it was little and it pretty much guaranteed, no Kevin Love and a Cavs super team. It is DA'S job to get good value in a trade if he held on too long to TPE then you can say he didn't do his job well.

If you're measuring what Ainge got with hypotheticals that had some to no chance of fruition, I suppose you're going to be disappointed.

Not knowing what offers Ainge made or received involving the Pierce TPE, I can only judge the return on its own merits. I'm perfectly happy with Thornton, Zeller, and a future 1st rounder.

[gpap]

Not sure. It can be an endless guessing game from now till  end of Bogans' contact.
Edit: Also I never said it had to be for one guy either. Can be a combination of things. Maybe a partial salary dump ect that scores a lower lottery pick.

It's always fun to play the game of what we "could/should" have done, especially when we have NO inside information on what can actually be done.

 
But this is twice in a row a seemingly good chip/asset gets little in return.  The Pierce TPE and now Bogans non-guarantee. Ironically both go while in Cav dealings.

The Pierce TPE would've expired shortly, so it was use it or lose it.  And Zeller + Thornton's expiring deal + a 1st isn't a gamechanger but is hardly "little".

I think it was little and it pretty much guaranteed, no Kevin Love and a Cavs super team. It is DA'S job to get good value in a trade if he held on too long to TPE then you can say he didn't do his job well.

If you're measuring what Ainge got with hypotheticals that had some to no chance of fruition, I suppose you're going to be disappointed.

Not knowing what offers Ainge made or received involving the Pierce TPE, I can only judge the return on its own merits. I'm perfectly happy with Thornton, Zeller, and a future 1st rounder.

I guess my question would then be is why didn't Ainge use the TPE get Omer Asik along with a packaged draft pick?

Isn't that what New Orleans did?

[Lucky17]

Not sure. It can be an endless guessing game from now till  end of Bogans' contact.
Edit: Also I never said it had to be for one guy either. Can be a combination of things. Maybe a partial salary dump ect that scores a lower lottery pick.

It's always fun to play the game of what we "could/should" have done, especially when we have NO inside information on what can actually be done.

 
But this is twice in a row a seemingly good chip/asset gets little in return.  The Pierce TPE and now Bogans non-guarantee. Ironically both go while in Cav dealings.

The Pierce TPE would've expired shortly, so it was use it or lose it.  And Zeller + Thornton's expiring deal + a 1st isn't a gamechanger but is hardly "little".

I think it was little and it pretty much guaranteed, no Kevin Love and a Cavs super team. It is DA'S job to get good value in a trade if he held on too long to TPE then you can say he didn't do his job well.

If you're measuring what Ainge got with hypotheticals that had some to no chance of fruition, I suppose you're going to be disappointed.

Not knowing what offers Ainge made or received involving the Pierce TPE, I can only judge the return on its own merits. I'm perfectly happy with Thornton, Zeller, and a future 1st rounder.

I guess my question would then be is why didn't Ainge use the TPE get Omer Asik along with a packaged draft pick?

Isn't that what New Orleans did?

Perhaps he values his picks more than the NO front office does. They potentially are giving up a pick in the 4-19 range.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed


Would you have wanted Ainge to beat that offer for Asik?

[Nerf DPOY]

Not sure. It can be an endless guessing game from now till  end of Bogans' contact.
Edit: Also I never said it had to be for one guy either. Can be a combination of things. Maybe a partial salary dump ect that scores a lower lottery pick.

It's always fun to play the game of what we "could/should" have done, especially when we have NO inside information on what can actually be done.

 
But this is twice in a row a seemingly good chip/asset gets little in return.  The Pierce TPE and now Bogans non-guarantee. Ironically both go while in Cav dealings.

The Pierce TPE would've expired shortly, so it was use it or lose it.  And Zeller + Thornton's expiring deal + a 1st isn't a gamechanger but is hardly "little".

I think it was little and it pretty much guaranteed, no Kevin Love and a Cavs super team. It is DA'S job to get good value in a trade if he held on too long to TPE then you can say he didn't do his job well.

Tommy point my friend.

It's okay to be a Celtics fan and yet still criticize Danny Ainge.

Yeah, but if after it was understood Love was going to Cleveland one way or another, what big moves were available that Ainge and the rest of us all missed out on?

He couldn't make a bigger splash if there were no opportunity to do so.

Edit: Nevermind, I'm like ten minutes behind you guys....

[Fafnir]

Not sure. It can be an endless guessing game from now till  end of Bogans' contact.
Edit: Also I never said it had to be for one guy either. Can be a combination of things. Maybe a partial salary dump ect that scores a lower lottery pick.

It's always fun to play the game of what we "could/should" have done, especially when we have NO inside information on what can actually be done.

 
But this is twice in a row a seemingly good chip/asset gets little in return.  The Pierce TPE and now Bogans non-guarantee. Ironically both go while in Cav dealings.

The Pierce TPE would've expired shortly, so it was use it or lose it.  And Zeller + Thornton's expiring deal + a 1st isn't a gamechanger but is hardly "little".

I think it was little and it pretty much guaranteed, no Kevin Love and a Cavs super team. It is DA'S job to get good value in a trade if he held on too long to TPE then you can say he didn't do his job well.

If you're measuring what Ainge got with hypotheticals that had some to no chance of fruition, I suppose you're going to be disappointed.

Not knowing what offers Ainge made or received involving the Pierce TPE, I can only judge the return on its own merits. I'm perfectly happy with Thornton, Zeller, and a future 1st rounder.

I guess my question would then be is why didn't Ainge use the TPE get Omer Asik along with a packaged draft pick?

Isn't that what New Orleans did?

Perhaps he values his picks more than the NO front office does. They potentially are giving up a pick in the 6-15 range.

Would you have wanted Ainge to beat that offer for Asik?

Given that its only top 3 and bottom 20-30 protected its going to be a pretty good pick.

[Eddie20]

A lot of negatively about the deal and I'm not understanding why. How much of a return do people really think an over the hill 34 year old making nearly 6M a year is going to get? To get anything at all is a great thing. I was beginning to believe we would just waive him outright as camp drew near.

There isn't a thing as "too many assets". We just acquired 2 more second round picks and a nice trade exception. The picks could be used to sweeten deals down the line.

Ainge is a great GM, but he isn't a magician he can't turn a Bass and Bogans into player X (a player that is a solid contributor and who's team inexplicably prefers Bass and Bogans more). I would like the naysayers to kindly provide example of what trade scenarios they imagined a Bass and Bogans, or a Bogans and Green, would actually land.

[Kane3387]

Wasn't Haywood amnestied and claimed? Would think his cap number would be WAY lower.

Apparently, there's a loophole in the amnesty provision, which allows contract years that are fully non-guaranteed to remain in place.  So, for this season (and the prior two seasons) Charlotte -- and now Cleveland -- were only on the hook for around $2 million in salary.  However, next year that jumps to the full non-guaranteed value of the final year in the original contract.

It's a heck of a trade chip, potentially, and it's amazing that Cleveland got it (along with Dwight Powell) for Alonzo Gee (who was himself a non-guaranteed deal, I believe.)

That's incredible!

They can and likely will add a fourth max guy then. Package those guys along with waitors and a pick and you might be able to bring in very very good player.

[saltlover]

Not sure. It can be an endless guessing game from now till  end of Bogans' contact.
Edit: Also I never said it had to be for one guy either. Can be a combination of things. Maybe a partial salary dump ect that scores a lower lottery pick.

It's always fun to play the game of what we "could/should" have done, especially when we have NO inside information on what can actually be done.

 
But this is twice in a row a seemingly good chip/asset gets little in return.  The Pierce TPE and now Bogans non-guarantee. Ironically both go while in Cav dealings.

What did you think we were going to get?  Seriously?  Given that Kevin Love went for the past 2 numbers 1 overall and an extra 1st round pick to boot, what trade that has happened this summer do you think the Celtics should have made with either of these two assets?  Were you willing to give up a first round pick to get Asik?  Certainly they could have gotten a 1st rounder for Lin, but that's what they got for Cleveland, plus Tyler Zeller.  Probably the C's could have traded Bogans, CJ, and Babb and used the trade exception to acquire Lin and Asik straight up.  It's up to you as to whether you'd have one year of those two players or a future first, two future seconds, a young cost-controlled center, a prospect big, a chucker, and a $5M+ trade exception.  Not to mention that Asik and Lin would have cost about $6M more in cap space/luxury tax space, thus putting the C's well into the luxury tax and making them eligible for the repeater tax next year, and costing them about $18 million more in actual salary.

Was there another trade that someone made that you wish we had done?  We weren't getting LaMarcus Aldridge.  I'm sure we checked in on Greg Monroe, but Detroit overplayed their hand.  We could have acquired Thaddeus Young for a 1st, but I don't know to what end.  Chandler Parsons and Gordon Hayward both got max deals, which you couldn't get with Bogans or the TPE.

Again, for these two trade chips we got:

A 1st
2 2nds
Someone with 2 years left on his rookie deal who could be our starting center
A prospect big on a minimum contract
An overpaid scorer on an expiring contract (but we couldn't score last year, so he has potential value to the Celtics)
A $5.3 million trade exception

All of those have varying degrees of use, and put the Celtics in better position going forward than they were in April.  For giving up no one with any actual on-court value, nor any draft picks, the C's did just fine for themselves, improving this year's team, acquiring future draft picks, and maintaining flexibility down the road.

EDIT: You people post quickly!

[MBunge]

Not sure. It can be an endless guessing game from now till  end of Bogans' contact.
Edit: Also I never said it had to be for one guy either. Can be a combination of things. Maybe a partial salary dump ect that scores a lower lottery pick.

It's always fun to play the game of what we "could/should" have done, especially when we have NO inside information on what can actually be done.

 
But this is twice in a row a seemingly good chip/asset gets little in return.  The Pierce TPE and now Bogans non-guarantee. Ironically both go while in Cav dealings.

The Pierce TPE would've expired shortly, so it was use it or lose it.  And Zeller + Thornton's expiring deal + a 1st isn't a gamechanger but is hardly "little".

I think it was little and it pretty much guaranteed, no Kevin Love and a Cavs super team. It is DA'S job to get good value in a trade if he held on too long to TPE then you can say he didn't do his job well.

Tommy point my friend.

It's okay to be a Celtics fan and yet still criticize Danny Ainge.

It would be nice, though, to present some realistic option that Ainge could have pursued.  What better deal was out there?  I haven't really seen anyone even suggest something realistic, let alone a deal the other team would genuinely be interested in.

Mike

[saltlover]

Not sure. It can be an endless guessing game from now till  end of Bogans' contact.
Edit: Also I never said it had to be for one guy either. Can be a combination of things. Maybe a partial salary dump ect that scores a lower lottery pick.

It's always fun to play the game of what we "could/should" have done, especially when we have NO inside information on what can actually be done.

 
But this is twice in a row a seemingly good chip/asset gets little in return.  The Pierce TPE and now Bogans non-guarantee. Ironically both go while in Cav dealings.

The Pierce TPE would've expired shortly, so it was use it or lose it.  And Zeller + Thornton's expiring deal + a 1st isn't a gamechanger but is hardly "little".

I think it was little and it pretty much guaranteed, no Kevin Love and a Cavs super team. It is DA'S job to get good value in a trade if he held on too long to TPE then you can say he didn't do his job well.

You understand he had like a 4 day window to use the full TPE right?  The C's were subject to the hard cap last year (because they acquired Bogans via a sign-and-trade) and so could have only used about $4 million of the $10 million TPE if he made a trade before July 1st.   Then there was the moratorium, and then the TPE expired 3-4 days later.  If you wanted him to use it best, he in fact had to wait until the last minute.

Honestly, the Celtics are better off today than they were yesterday.  Enjoy it.

[fairweatherfan]

Not sure. It can be an endless guessing game from now till  end of Bogans' contact.
Edit: Also I never said it had to be for one guy either. Can be a combination of things. Maybe a partial salary dump ect that scores a lower lottery pick.

It's always fun to play the game of what we "could/should" have done, especially when we have NO inside information on what can actually be done.

 
But this is twice in a row a seemingly good chip/asset gets little in return.  The Pierce TPE and now Bogans non-guarantee. Ironically both go while in Cav dealings.

The Pierce TPE would've expired shortly, so it was use it or lose it.  And Zeller + Thornton's expiring deal + a 1st isn't a gamechanger but is hardly "little".

I think it was little and it pretty much guaranteed, no Kevin Love and a Cavs super team. It is DA'S job to get good value in a trade if he held on too long to TPE then you can say he didn't do his job well.

I think, respectfully, that you don't have a very good sense of what else we could've done with that TPE.

[Roy H.]

Wasn't Haywood amnestied and claimed? Would think his cap number would be WAY lower.

Apparently, there's a loophole in the amnesty provision, which allows contract years that are fully non-guaranteed to remain in place.  So, for this season (and the prior two seasons) Charlotte -- and now Cleveland -- were only on the hook for around $2 million in salary.  However, next year that jumps to the full non-guaranteed value of the final year in the original contract.

It's a heck of a trade chip, potentially, and it's amazing that Cleveland got it (along with Dwight Powell) for Alonzo Gee (who was himself a non-guaranteed deal, I believe.)

That's incredible!

They can and likely will add a fourth max guy then. Package those guys along with waitors and a pick and you might be able to bring in very very good player.

Yep.  Excellent GMing by David Griffin.  Waiters + Memphis #1 + non-guaranteed contracts should be able to land them somebody really solid.

[Tr1boy]

Can someone clarify what is the trade exception we received good for, if we cant use it for future trade purposes?

What is a TPE good for if it's not used? Nothing.

Seriously? Lol

Why are ppl gere so happy about the trade exception we received then.

Im still not clear of how TE can be used. We received a big TE from brooklyn . then traded it to the cavs for zeller, thornton and a 1st. So what did the cavs use the TE they got from us for?

Yet ppl here are stating the TE cant be used in trades.  No wonder Danny himself is confused about how this thing works.

Can someone clearify.

[Lucky17]

Can someone clarify what is the trade exception we received good for, if we cant use it for future trade purposes?

What is a TPE good for if it's not used? Nothing.

Seriously? Lol

Why are ppl gere so happy about the trade exception we received then.

Im still not clear of how TE can be used. We received a big TE from brooklyn . then traded it to the cavs for zeller, thornton and a 1st. So what did the cavs use the TE they got from us for?

Yet ppl here are stating the TE cant be used in trades.  No wonder Danny himself is confused about how this thing works.

Can someone clearify.

You don't trade TPEs. They are empty slots that allow you to take on players without having to match salary. They last for one calendar year before they evaporate.

Read this:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q85

And I seriously doubt Ainge is confused about how TPEs work.

[Tr1boy]

Can someone clarify what is the trade exception we received good for, if we cant use it for future trade purposes?

What is a TPE good for if it's not used? Nothing.

Seriously? Lol

Why are ppl gere so happy about the trade exception we received then.

Im still not clear of how TE can be used. We received a big TE from brooklyn . then traded it to the cavs for zeller, thornton and a 1st. So what did the cavs use the TE they got from us for?

Yet ppl here are stating the TE cant be used in trades.  No wonder Danny himself is confused about how this thing works.

Can someone clearify.

You don't trade TPEs. They are empty slots that allow you to take on players without having to match salary. They last for one calendar year before they evaporate.

Read this:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q85

And I seriously doubt Ainge is confused about how TPEs work.

Then can you explain the TE we got from the nets for KG and PP, then we flipped it for zeller, thorntob and a 1st. Or that was not the same TE traded