Cavs trade for Bogans. It's official.

[gpap]

Can someone clarify what is the trade exception we received good for, if we cant use it for future trade purposes?

What is a TPE good for if it's not used? Nothing.

Seriously? Lol

Why are ppl gere so happy about the trade exception we received then.

Im still not clear of how TE can be used. We received a big TE from brooklyn . then traded it to the cavs for zeller, thornton and a 1st. So what did the cavs use the TE they got from us for?

Yet ppl here are stating the TE cant be used in trades.  No wonder Danny himself is confused about how this thing works.

Can someone clearify.

You don't trade TPEs. They are empty slots that allow you to take on players without having to match salary. They last for one calendar year before they evaporate.

Read this:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q85

And I seriously doubt Ainge is confused about how TPEs work.

Lol.

Imagine that.

Ainge is trading for trade exceptions and he doesn't even know how they work

[LooseCannon]

Can someone clarify what is the trade exception we received good for, if we cant use it for future trade purposes?

What is a TPE good for if it's not used? Nothing.

Seriously? Lol

Why are ppl gere so happy about the trade exception we received then.

Im still not clear of how TE can be used. We received a big TE from brooklyn . then traded it to the cavs for zeller, thornton and a 1st. So what did the cavs use the TE they got from us for?

Yet ppl here are stating the TE cant be used in trades.  No wonder Danny himself is confused about how this thing works.

Can someone clearify.

You don't trade TPEs. They are empty slots that allow you to take on players without having to match salary. They last for one calendar year before they evaporate.

Read this:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q85

And I seriously doubt Ainge is confused about how TPEs work.

Then can you explain the TE we got from the nets for KG and PP, then we flipped it for zeller, thorntob and a 1st. Or that was not the same TE traded

Can I explain it?  Yes.  Can I explain it in a way that you understand it?  Not sure.

[Csfan1984]

Not sure. It can be an endless guessing game from now till  end of Bogans' contact.
Edit: Also I never said it had to be for one guy either. Can be a combination of things. Maybe a partial salary dump ect that scores a lower lottery pick.

It's always fun to play the game of what we "could/should" have done, especially when we have NO inside information on what can actually be done.

 
But this is twice in a row a seemingly good chip/asset gets little in return.  The Pierce TPE and now Bogans non-guarantee. Ironically both go while in Cav dealings.

The Pierce TPE would've expired shortly, so it was use it or lose it.  And Zeller + Thornton's expiring deal + a 1st isn't a gamechanger but is hardly "little".

I think it was little and it pretty much guaranteed, no Kevin Love and a Cavs super team. It is DA'S job to get good value in a trade if he held on too long to TPE then you can say he didn't do his job well.

Tommy point my friend.

It's okay to be a Celtics fan and yet still criticize Danny Ainge.

It would be nice, though, to present some realistic option that Ainge could have pursued.  What better deal was out there?  I haven't really seen anyone even suggest something realistic, let alone a deal the other team would genuinely be interested in.

Mike

How is a fan supposed to know what exactly is out there.  Might as well ask me to tell you ever player that is really on the trade block. Trades in the NBA are rare and complicated there is no telling what talent is ever truly available till a deal is done.  Even after there are GMs who talk about never being consulted on possible guys on the block when they miss a deal. Danny has to be held to what he got plain and simple.  Because no fan can say exactly what was out there. Just know is that really the best use of Bogans. I say no.

[Nerf DPOY]

Can someone clarify what is the trade exception we received good for, if we cant use it for future trade purposes?

What is a TPE good for if it's not used? Nothing.

Seriously? Lol

Why are ppl gere so happy about the trade exception we received then.

Im still not clear of how TE can be used. We received a big TE from brooklyn . then traded it to the cavs for zeller, thornton and a 1st. So what did the cavs use the TE they got from us for?

Yet ppl here are stating the TE cant be used in trades.  No wonder Danny himself is confused about how this thing works.

Can someone clearify.

You don't trade TPEs. They are empty slots that allow you to take on players without having to match salary. They last for one calendar year before they evaporate.

Read this:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q85

And I seriously doubt Ainge is confused about how TPEs work.

Then can you explain the TE we got from the nets for KG and PP, then we flipped it for zeller, thorntob and a 1st. Or that was not the same TE traded

The Cavs got to dump Jarret Jack, Karasev, and Zeller's salary and not take any money back, so they could clear salary to sign Lebron is what they got.

[Nerf DPOY]

Not sure. It can be an endless guessing game from now till  end of Bogans' contact.
Edit: Also I never said it had to be for one guy either. Can be a combination of things. Maybe a partial salary dump ect that scores a lower lottery pick.

It's always fun to play the game of what we "could/should" have done, especially when we have NO inside information on what can actually be done.

 
But this is twice in a row a seemingly good chip/asset gets little in return.  The Pierce TPE and now Bogans non-guarantee. Ironically both go while in Cav dealings.

The Pierce TPE would've expired shortly, so it was use it or lose it.  And Zeller + Thornton's expiring deal + a 1st isn't a gamechanger but is hardly "little".

I think it was little and it pretty much guaranteed, no Kevin Love and a Cavs super team. It is DA'S job to get good value in a trade if he held on too long to TPE then you can say he didn't do his job well.

Tommy point my friend.

It's okay to be a Celtics fan and yet still criticize Danny Ainge.

It would be nice, though, to present some realistic option that Ainge could have pursued.  What better deal was out there?  I haven't really seen anyone even suggest something realistic, let alone a deal the other team would genuinely be interested in.

Mike

How is a fan supposed to know what exactly is out there.  Might as well ask me to tell you ever player that is really on the trade block. Trades in the NBA are rare and complicated there is no telling what talent is ever truly available till a deal is done.  Even after there are GMs who talk about never being consulted on possible guys on the block when they miss a deal. Danny has to be held to what he got plain and simple.  Because no fan can say exactly what was out there. Just know is that really the best use of Bogans. I say no.

Right. So what basis do you have for saying Ainge passed on or didn't pursue a better oppurtunity?

[Tr1boy]

Can someone clarify what is the trade exception we received good for, if we cant use it for future trade purposes?

What is a TPE good for if it's not used? Nothing.

Seriously? Lol

Why are ppl gere so happy about the trade exception we received then.

Im still not clear of how TE can be used. We received a big TE from brooklyn . then traded it to the cavs for zeller, thornton and a 1st. So what did the cavs use the TE they got from us for?

Yet ppl here are stating the TE cant be used in trades.  No wonder Danny himself is confused about how this thing works.

Can someone clearify.

You don't trade TPEs. They are empty slots that allow you to take on players without having to match salary. They last for one calendar year before they evaporate.

Read this:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q85

And I seriously doubt Ainge is confused about how TPEs work.

Then can you explain the TE we got from the nets for KG and PP, then we flipped it for zeller, thorntob and a 1st. Or that was not the same TE traded

Can I explain it?  Yes.  Can I explain it in a way that you understand it?  Not sure.

Then dont.

Ppl here keep stating you cant use the TE you receive from another team, to use in a future trade situation. Yet thats what happened with TE we received from the nets that was used fto get zeller etc. From the cavs.

Then why could the cavs not combine the TE with haywoods non guarantee, instead going through yesterdays trade and giving up 2nds?

Is it that TE(obtained from a trade) cant be combined with non guarantees but can be combined with a guarantee contract?

Where is Roy?

[Csfan1984]

Bogan wasn't up he could have held on to him.

[Nerf DPOY]

Can someone clarify what is the trade exception we received good for, if we cant use it for future trade purposes?

What is a TPE good for if it's not used? Nothing.

Seriously? Lol

Why are ppl gere so happy about the trade exception we received then.

Im still not clear of how TE can be used. We received a big TE from brooklyn . then traded it to the cavs for zeller, thornton and a 1st. So what did the cavs use the TE they got from us for?

Yet ppl here are stating the TE cant be used in trades.  No wonder Danny himself is confused about how this thing works.

Can someone clearify.

You don't trade TPEs. They are empty slots that allow you to take on players without having to match salary. They last for one calendar year before they evaporate.

Read this:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q85

And I seriously doubt Ainge is confused about how TPEs work.

Then can you explain the TE we got from the nets for KG and PP, then we flipped it for zeller, thorntob and a 1st. Or that was not the same TE traded

Can I explain it?  Yes.  Can I explain it in a way that you understand it?  Not sure.

Then dont.

Ppl here keep stating you cant use the TE you receive from another team, to use in a future trade situation. Yet thats what happened with TE we received from the nets that was used fto get zeller etc. From the cavs.

Then why could the cavs not combine the TE with haywoods non guarantee, instead going through yesterdays trade and giving up 2nds?

Is it that TE(obtained from a trade) cant be combined with non guarantees but can be combined with a guarantee contract?

Where is Roy?

The trade exception we just got was not acquired in the trade from Cleveland, but created from the trade, if that helps.

Edit: To put it another way, TPE's aren't traded around the way you seem to be envisioning.

[Csfan1984]

Not sure. It can be an endless guessing game from now till  end of Bogans' contact.
Edit: Also I never said it had to be for one guy either. Can be a combination of things. Maybe a partial salary dump ect that scores a lower lottery pick.

It's always fun to play the game of what we "could/should" have done, especially when we have NO inside information on what can actually be done.

 
But this is twice in a row a seemingly good chip/asset gets little in return.  The Pierce TPE and now Bogans non-guarantee. Ironically both go while in Cav dealings.

The Pierce TPE would've expired shortly, so it was use it or lose it.  And Zeller + Thornton's expiring deal + a 1st isn't a gamechanger but is hardly "little".

I think it was little and it pretty much guaranteed, no Kevin Love and a Cavs super team. It is DA'S job to get good value in a trade if he held on too long to TPE then you can say he didn't do his job well.

Tommy point my friend.

It's okay to be a Celtics fan and yet still criticize Danny Ainge.

It would be nice, though, to present some realistic option that Ainge could have pursued.  What better deal was out there?  I haven't really seen anyone even suggest something realistic, let alone a deal the other team would genuinely be interested in.

Mike

How is a fan supposed to know what exactly is out there.  Might as well ask me to tell you ever player that is really on the trade block. Trades in the NBA are rare and complicated there is no telling what talent is ever truly available till a deal is done.  Even after there are GMs who talk about never being consulted on possible guys on the block when they miss a deal. Danny has to be held to what he got plain and simple.  Because no fan can say exactly what was out there. Just know is that really the best use of Bogans. I say no.

Right. So what basis do you have for saying Ainge passed on or didn't pursue a better oppurtunity?

He got a lousy return. Bogan wasn't up he should have held on to him.

[D.o.s.]

Can someone clarify what is the trade exception we received good for, if we cant use it for future trade purposes?

What is a TPE good for if it's not used? Nothing.

Seriously? Lol

Why are ppl gere so happy about the trade exception we received then.

Im still not clear of how TE can be used. We received a big TE from brooklyn . then traded it to the cavs for zeller, thornton and a 1st. So what did the cavs use the TE they got from us for?

Yet ppl here are stating the TE cant be used in trades.  No wonder Danny himself is confused about how this thing works.

Can someone clearify.

You don't trade TPEs. They are empty slots that allow you to take on players without having to match salary. They last for one calendar year before they evaporate.

Read this:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q85

And I seriously doubt Ainge is confused about how TPEs work.

Then can you explain the TE we got from the nets for KG and PP, then we flipped it for zeller, thorntob and a 1st. Or that was not the same TE traded

Can I explain it?  Yes.  Can I explain it in a way that you understand it?  Not sure.

Then dont.

Ppl here keep stating you cant use the TE you receive from another team, to use in a future trade situation. Yet thats what happened with TE we received from the nets that was used fto get zeller etc. From the cavs.

Then why could the cavs not combine the TE with haywoods non guarantee, instead going through yesterdays trade and giving up 2nds?

Is it that TE(obtained from a trade) cant be combined with non guarantees but can be combined with a guarantee contract?

Where is Roy?

Think about Trade Exceptions as an amount of money you don't need to match in a trade.

So if you have a $5 million TE, you can take in $5 million worth of salary without having to send a matching amount out.

What you can't do is trade a player with $5 million on the books for a player with $10 million on the books by 'combining' that player with your $5 million TE.

Make sense?

[Rondo9]

Not sure. It can be an endless guessing game from now till  end of Bogans' contact.
Edit: Also I never said it had to be for one guy either. Can be a combination of things. Maybe a partial salary dump ect that scores a lower lottery pick.

It's always fun to play the game of what we "could/should" have done, especially when we have NO inside information on what can actually be done.

 
But this is twice in a row a seemingly good chip/asset gets little in return.  The Pierce TPE and now Bogans non-guarantee. Ironically both go while in Cav dealings.

The Pierce TPE would've expired shortly, so it was use it or lose it.  And Zeller + Thornton's expiring deal + a 1st isn't a gamechanger but is hardly "little".

I think it was little and it pretty much guaranteed, no Kevin Love and a Cavs super team. It is DA'S job to get good value in a trade if he held on too long to TPE then you can say he didn't do his job well.

Tommy point my friend.

It's okay to be a Celtics fan and yet still criticize Danny Ainge.

It would be nice, though, to present some realistic option that Ainge could have pursued.  What better deal was out there?  I haven't really seen anyone even suggest something realistic, let alone a deal the other team would genuinely be interested in.

Mike

How is a fan supposed to know what exactly is out there.  Might as well ask me to tell you ever player that is really on the trade block. Trades in the NBA are rare and complicated there is no telling what talent is ever truly available till a deal is done.  Even after there are GMs who talk about never being consulted on possible guys on the block when they miss a deal. Danny has to be held to what he got plain and simple.  Because no fan can say exactly what was out there. Just know is that really the best use of Bogans. I say no.

Right. So what basis do you have for saying Ainge passed on or didn't pursue a better oppurtunity?

He got a lousy return. Bogan wasn't up he should have held on to him.

But they needed to sign Evan Turner, the Bogans trade freed up the necessary space to get him. The trade was decent.

[Tr1boy]

Can someone clarify what is the trade exception we received good for, if we cant use it for future trade purposes?

What is a TPE good for if it's not used? Nothing.

Seriously? Lol

Why are ppl gere so happy about the trade exception we received then.

Im still not clear of how TE can be used. We received a big TE from brooklyn . then traded it to the cavs for zeller, thornton and a 1st. So what did the cavs use the TE they got from us for?

Yet ppl here are stating the TE cant be used in trades.  No wonder Danny himself is confused about how this thing works.

Can someone clearify.

You don't trade TPEs. They are empty slots that allow you to take on players without having to match salary. They last for one calendar year before they evaporate.

Read this:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q85

And I seriously doubt Ainge is confused about how TPEs work.

Then can you explain the TE we got from the nets for KG and PP, then we flipped it for zeller, thorntob and a 1st. Or that was not the same TE traded

Can I explain it?  Yes.  Can I explain it in a way that you understand it?  Not sure.

Then dont.

Ppl here keep stating you cant use the TE you receive from another team, to use in a future trade situation. Yet thats what happened with TE we received from the nets that was used fto get zeller etc. From the cavs.

Then why could the cavs not combine the TE with haywoods non guarantee, instead going through yesterdays trade and giving up 2nds?

Is it that TE(obtained from a trade) cant be combined with non guarantees but can be combined with a guarantee contract?

Where is Roy?

Think about Trade Exceptions as an amount of money you don't need to match in a trade.

So if you have a $5 million TE, you can take in $5 million worth of salary without having to send a matching amount out.

What you can't do is trade a player with $5 million on the books for a player with $10 million on the books by 'combining' that player with your $5 million TE.

Make sense?

Yes.

But why was the nets able to do that when they combined TE with humphries etc for KG?

[Fafnir]

Yes.

But why was the nets able to do that when they combined TE with humphries etc for KG?

They didn't.

That single "trade", was actually 3 separate trades from the perspective of the C's and two trades from the Nets side I believe. Teams are allowed to account for trades in different ways as long as the math is legal for them.

[Nerf DPOY]

Can someone clarify what is the trade exception we received good for, if we cant use it for future trade purposes?

What is a TPE good for if it's not used? Nothing.

Seriously? Lol

Why are ppl gere so happy about the trade exception we received then.

Im still not clear of how TE can be used. We received a big TE from brooklyn . then traded it to the cavs for zeller, thornton and a 1st. So what did the cavs use the TE they got from us for?

Yet ppl here are stating the TE cant be used in trades.  No wonder Danny himself is confused about how this thing works.

Can someone clearify.

You don't trade TPEs. They are empty slots that allow you to take on players without having to match salary. They last for one calendar year before they evaporate.

Read this:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q85

And I seriously doubt Ainge is confused about how TPEs work.

Then can you explain the TE we got from the nets for KG and PP, then we flipped it for zeller, thorntob and a 1st. Or that was not the same TE traded

Can I explain it?  Yes.  Can I explain it in a way that you understand it?  Not sure.

Then dont.

Ppl here keep stating you cant use the TE you receive from another team, to use in a future trade situation. Yet thats what happened with TE we received from the nets that was used fto get zeller etc. From the cavs.

Then why could the cavs not combine the TE with haywoods non guarantee, instead going through yesterdays trade and giving up 2nds?

Is it that TE(obtained from a trade) cant be combined with non guarantees but can be combined with a guarantee contract?

Where is Roy?

Think about Trade Exceptions as an amount of money you don't need to match in a trade.

So if you have a $5 million TE, you can take in $5 million worth of salary without having to send a matching amount out.

What you can't do is trade a player with $5 million on the books for a player with $10 million on the books by 'combining' that player with your $5 million TE.

Make sense?

Yes.

But why was the nets able to do that when they combined TE with humphries etc for KG?

Brooklyn didn't trade us a trade exception. The trade exception was a result of the trade.

[Csfan1984]

For anyone having trouble understanding TPEs. Most are created during a trade when salaries don't exactly match but are within trade limit of in and out. TPEs can also be made if a team absorbs a players salary and does not trade any salary back. Often to absorb salary you give a pick*. Often TPEs are shuffled about because teams are constantly tanking,  dumping salary, or looking for a trade chip. They don't go away they just get renamed/credited till a team decides to let it expire.