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If Rondo leaves in free agency
« on: July 19, 2014, 05:03:20 PM »

Offline Celtics18

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There is a growing contingent of fans who believe that we need to trade Rondo.  One of the main issues is his impending free agency.  People are worried that someone will offer him a more attractive deal and situation than Danny will be willing or able to provide and fear that he will walk away with nothing in return this off-season.

It's a legitimate concern, but from my perspective, if Rondo were to leave in free agency, it wouldn't necessarily be the worst thing in the world.  We wouldn't be getting nothing for him if he left.  One valuable thing we would acquire would be additional cap space and flexibility.

To me what makes the most sense is to keep him and see if he can return to some semblance of his pre-injury form.  Rondo is surely aware that the time is now for him to work to secure his future both financially and from a legacy standpoint.  I expect a highly motivated Rajon Rondo this season.

I say keep him, let him try to lead this young Celtics team, and let the chips fall where they may next off-season. 

Trading him away for a subpar return is riskier than keeping him. 
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Re: If Rondo leaves in free agency
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2014, 05:33:49 PM »

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A team like Houston, to me, would make an excellent trading partner. They are desperate and have no players that they can trade that we would be interested in( except for Terrence Jones). They have cap space from dumping contracts for Bosh.

If we traded him to HOU they could:
1) absorb his contract and create a very large TPE for us
2) give us 3-4 future firsts

I believe they do not have their first round pick in the next draft......that sucks for them because future picks are worth less than current ones, so they will have to compensate us with more picks.

In this specific case I disagree with the original poster, because we do get something for Rondo.
1)Cap space
2) a 13 million dollar TPE
3) 3-4 future firsts
4) right to swaps

This is the best trade IMO for Rondo. Id rather get draft picks, even future ones, instead of semi decent young players that may not be in the league in a few years.


Re: If Rondo leaves in free agency
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2014, 05:55:02 PM »

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There is a growing contingent of fans who believe that we need to trade Rondo.  One of the main issues is his impending free agency.  People are worried that someone will offer him a more attractive deal and situation than Danny will be willing or able to provide and fear that he will walk away with nothing in return this off-season.

Because we know DA always listens to the fanbase.

Re: If Rondo leaves in free agency
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2014, 05:56:24 PM »

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A team like Houston, to me, would make an excellent trading partner. They are desperate and have no players that they can trade that we would be interested in( except for Terrence Jones). They have cap space from dumping contracts for Bosh.

If we traded him to HOU they could:
1) absorb his contract and create a very large TPE for us
2) give us 3-4 future firsts

I believe they do not have their first round pick in the next draft......that sucks for them because future picks are worth less than current ones, so they will have to compensate us with more picks.

In this specific case I disagree with the original poster, because we do get something for Rondo.
1)Cap space
2) a 13 million dollar TPE
3) 3-4 future firsts
4) right to swaps

This is the best trade IMO for Rondo. Id rather get draft picks, even future ones, instead of semi decent young players that may not be in the league in a few years.

A lot of people have said recently that Houston has nothing to trade but I think I agree with you. They also have New Orleans pick next year from the Asik trade which will likely be a low lottery pick. Plus their first round pick this year, Clint Capela, if I remember correctly is a 20 yo, 6'11" athletic PF/C whose strengths are rebounding, shot blocking, and finishing at the rim. If they ever started an offer with Capela, NO 2015 #1 pick, their own 2017 #1 pick I'd definitely listen.

But I don't disagree with the OP either. If there's no decent offer that comes in I'm looking forward to watching Rondo have a bounce back year and perhaps even make a run for the 8 seed. If there were no good offers, and he walks, then you don't lose all that much either way and still gain the cap space.

Re: If Rondo leaves in free agency
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2014, 05:57:12 PM »

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A team like Houston, to me, would make an excellent trading partner. They are desperate and have no players that they can trade that we would be interested in( except for Terrence Jones). They have cap space from dumping contracts for Bosh.

If we traded him to HOU they could:
1) absorb his contract and create a very large TPE for us
2) give us 3-4 future firsts

I believe they do not have their first round pick in the next draft......that sucks for them because future picks are worth less than current ones, so they will have to compensate us with more picks.

In this specific case I disagree with the original poster, because we do get something for Rondo.
1)Cap space
2) a 13 million dollar TPE
3) 3-4 future firsts
4) right to swaps

This is the best trade IMO for Rondo. Id rather get draft picks, even future ones, instead of semi decent young players that may not be in the league in a few years.

I believe the earliest three draft picks the Rockets could give the C's would be 2017, 2019, and 2021. That doesn't seem like either what the C's should be looking for for a rebuild in 2014--or what the Rockets would likely want to give up as a franchise.

Re: If Rondo leaves in free agency
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2014, 05:58:42 PM »

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A team like Houston, to me, would make an excellent trading partner. They are desperate and have no players that they can trade that we would be interested in( except for Terrence Jones). They have cap space from dumping contracts for Bosh.

If we traded him to HOU they could:
1) absorb his contract and create a very large TPE for us
2) give us 3-4 future firsts

I believe they do not have their first round pick in the next draft......that sucks for them because future picks are worth less than current ones, so they will have to compensate us with more picks.

In this specific case I disagree with the original poster, because we do get something for Rondo.
1)Cap space
2) a 13 million dollar TPE
3) 3-4 future firsts
4) right to swaps

This is the best trade IMO for Rondo. Id rather get draft picks, even future ones, instead of semi decent young players that may not be in the league in a few years.

A lot of people have said recently that Houston has nothing to trade but I think I agree with you. They also have New Orleans pick next year from the Asik trade which will likely be a low lottery pick. Plus their first round pick this year, Clint Capela, if I remember correctly is a 20 yo, 6'11" athletic PF/C whose strengths are rebounding, shot blocking, and finishing at the rim. If they ever started an offer with Capela, NO 2015 #1 pick, their own 2017 #1 pick I'd definitely listen.

But I don't disagree with the OP either. If there's no decent offer that comes in I'm looking forward to watching Rondo have a bounce back year and perhaps even make a run for the 8 seed. If there were no good offers, and he walks, then you don't lose all that much either way and still gain the cap space.

I stand corrected. That does sound like the start of something.

Re: If Rondo leaves in free agency
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2014, 06:29:43 PM »

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Obviously the biggest issue with trading Rondo at this point is that the teams good enough that his addition will put them over the top, or good enough that he would resign there, don't have the assets for Ainge to make the trade. And the teams that do, are so bad that Rondo would definitely flee after next season.

Also, and this is just my opinion, but I do think DA would prefer to send Rondo to a good team. Not that that will ultimately matter.

Re: If Rondo leaves in free agency
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2014, 06:45:41 PM »

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A team like Houston, to me, would make an excellent trading partner. They are desperate and have no players that they can trade that we would be interested in( except for Terrence Jones). They have cap space from dumping contracts for Bosh.

If we traded him to HOU they could:
1) absorb his contract and create a very large TPE for us
2) give us 3-4 future firsts

I believe they do not have their first round pick in the next draft......that sucks for them because future picks are worth less than current ones, so they will have to compensate us with more picks.

In this specific case I disagree with the original poster, because we do get something for Rondo.
1)Cap space
2) a 13 million dollar TPE
3) 3-4 future firsts
4) right to swaps

This is the best trade IMO for Rondo. Id rather get draft picks, even future ones, instead of semi decent young players that may not be in the league in a few years.

I wouldn't do that at all.

How many more draft picks and trade exceptions do we need?

What happened to the days when you would receive actual players in trades? ;)

Re: If Rondo leaves in free agency
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2014, 06:59:28 PM »

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A team like Houston, to me, would make an excellent trading partner. They are desperate and have no players that they can trade that we would be interested in( except for Terrence Jones). They have cap space from dumping contracts for Bosh.

If we traded him to HOU they could:
1) absorb his contract and create a very large TPE for us
2) give us 3-4 future firsts

I believe they do not have their first round pick in the next draft......that sucks for them because future picks are worth less than current ones, so they will have to compensate us with more picks.

In this specific case I disagree with the original poster, because we do get something for Rondo.
1)Cap space
2) a 13 million dollar TPE
3) 3-4 future firsts
4) right to swaps

This is the best trade IMO for Rondo. Id rather get draft picks, even future ones, instead of semi decent young players that may not be in the league in a few years.

I believe the earliest three draft picks the Rockets could give the C's would be 2017, 2019, and 2021. That doesn't seem like either what the C's should be looking for for a rebuild in 2014--or what the Rockets would likely want to give up as a franchise.

I don't see a problem for Boston. They could potentially have 7 firsts over the next three drafts.
Adding three more to that would be excessive. They'd be better off spreading the picks out a bit.


Re: If Rondo leaves in free agency
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2014, 07:33:01 PM »

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A team like Houston, to me, would make an excellent trading partner. They are desperate and have no players that they can trade that we would be interested in( except for Terrence Jones). They have cap space from dumping contracts for Bosh.

If we traded him to HOU they could:
1) absorb his contract and create a very large TPE for us
2) give us 3-4 future firsts

I believe they do not have their first round pick in the next draft......that sucks for them because future picks are worth less than current ones, so they will have to compensate us with more picks.

In this specific case I disagree with the original poster, because we do get something for Rondo.
1)Cap space
2) a 13 million dollar TPE
3) 3-4 future firsts
4) right to swaps

This is the best trade IMO for Rondo. Id rather get draft picks, even future ones, instead of semi decent young players that may not be in the league in a few years.

I wouldn't do that at all.

How many more draft picks and trade exceptions do we need?

What happened to the days when you would receive actual players in trades? ;)

In this case there are no good young players we could get for Rondo. The only players are former first rounders that may be out of the league in a few years.


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How many more draft picks and trade exceptions do we need?

That logic sounds like: Hey Donald Trump, why are you submitting business tax write-offs to the IRS; don't you make enough money as is?

I would rather do this than let Rondo leave in FA. In a year we can offer Gerald Wallace and 4-5 picks and get a superstar....And still have all our picks and then some. Doing this trade would be a great long term deal for the Celtics.

This is just my opinion.

Re: If Rondo leaves in free agency
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2014, 07:46:17 PM »

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I get the incentive to trade Rondo, but Houston is probably the last team we should partner with. I'd rather send him to Indy if we are getting low draft picks and a TPE (they could spiral down in the next few years). Send him to LA to get Randle and Nash's expiring. Send him to Detroit for Monroe. Any of these (and more) would be better than than what Houston could offer. They don't even have the rim protector in Asik to offer anymore.

Re: If Rondo leaves in free agency
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2014, 07:59:41 PM »

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A team like Houston, to me, would make an excellent trading partner. They are desperate and have no players that they can trade that we would be interested in( except for Terrence Jones). They have cap space from dumping contracts for Bosh.

If we traded him to HOU they could:
1) absorb his contract and create a very large TPE for us
2) give us 3-4 future firsts

I believe they do not have their first round pick in the next draft......that sucks for them because future picks are worth less than current ones, so they will have to compensate us with more picks.

In this specific case I disagree with the original poster, because we do get something for Rondo.
1)Cap space
2) a 13 million dollar TPE
3) 3-4 future firsts
4) right to swaps

This is the best trade IMO for Rondo. Id rather get draft picks, even future ones, instead of semi decent young players that may not be in the league in a few years.

Wow how many draft picks do we need. I don't think draft picks hold the gusto they used too. We need to start compiling actual proven talent instead of stockpiling double digit draft picks
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Re: If Rondo leaves in free agency
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2014, 08:02:37 PM »

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I get the incentive to trade Rondo, but Houston is probably the last team we should partner with. I'd rather send him to Indy if we are getting low draft picks and a TPE (they could spiral down in the next few years). Send him to LA to get Randle and Nash's expiring. Send him to Detroit for Monroe. Any of these (and more) would be better than than what Houston could offer. They don't even have the rim protector in Asik to offer anymore.

Rondo for Monroe makes sense for us and Detroit, but it hasn't happened yet.

Re: If Rondo leaves in free agency
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2014, 08:15:03 PM »

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Draft picks are like toothpicks  they are disposable  but  also very fragile. You use them very carefully otherwise they break and you need another one to do the job. In other words you can't have too many toothpicks errrrr I mean draft picks.

Re: If Rondo leaves in free agency
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2014, 08:15:20 PM »

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Smart was the backup if RR leaves or AB for that matter.