Embrace the rebuild

[Joe Green]

Looking at the East, things have gotten a lot "flatter" i.e. not too many scrubs, and lots of mid level teams. I don't see a lot of team Boston should beat next year for a playoff spot. Here is my breakdown:

Much better than us: Indiana, Miami, Chicago, Washington, Cleveland
Not great, but still better than us: Toronto, Detroit, Charlotte
Potential Bottom Dwellers: Brooklyn, New York, Orlando, Philli and Milwaukee

Considering Philli and Milwaukee should be on the rise, I don't see us making the playoffs this year and maybe next.

I therefore believe DA is in "full rebuild" mode - not tanking mind you - rebuild.

Cut the time and roster spots of anyone who will not be a contributor in 3 years (Hump, Green, Wallace..)

Let the young guys get some burn. Try and shop our "valuable" assets (Rondo and Green and maybe one of the KO/Sully pair as far as I can see)  to get more draft picks or future building blocks.

This is not fun, or sexy - but it is the right thing to do. I do not want a "Chris Wallace" type team - built to make the playoffs but stuck forever in the "Good but not great" zone.

Embrace the rebuild !!!!

[gpap]

I always embrace rebuilds.

Like when my old high school was being renovated the other day.

I was out there taking pictures all day long.

[cb8883]

I would like to thank the Cleveland Cavs for this. I'm pumped they took Love off the Wolves hands. No Ainge has no choice but to do the right thing. Trade Rondo for whatever we can get and start tanking hard the next two years. We'll be contenders in no time again. Okafor 2015-2016 baby!!!

[Celtics4ever]

Only thing you can do, really because right now it is what is happening. 

[GreenWarrior]

the best thing we can hope for is Rondo has a really good first half of the season this upcoming yr., the worst thing that could happen is Rondo has a really good first half of the season this upcoming yr. and Ainge decides not to trade him in hopes of trying to have another off-season with "fireworks".

I think the window to work out trades to bring in talent to go along with Rondo past the deadline this season is too small, with no guarantee he will stay, plus I don't think there will be any franchise changing talent available during that window. and it would be too huge of a gamble to sign Rondo with just hopes alone of being able to land more stars again next off-season. unfortunately I think it's time to move on from Rondo.

I think most fans are willing to go through a rebuild. I'm kinda getting the sense the organization is reluctant. which I don't blame them but there comes a time when we have to choose.

[cltc5]

We wiffed on Asik, and Affalo.  Failed to go after jordan hill, let lance stephenson go and signed avery and Tyler.  I think this organization is fully focused on a rebuild, and I don't mind at all, as long as that's the goal and I dont have to keep hearing about a situation brewing again like in 2007-2008 where Danny trades away all the good talent.  I'm ready to watch a nice young team develop.

[GreenWarrior]

We wiffed on Asik, and Affalo.  Failed to go after jordan hill, let lance stephenson go and signed avery and Tyler.  I think this organization is fully focused on a rebuild, and I don't mind at all, as long as that's the goal and I dont have to keep hearing about a situation brewing again like in 2007-2008 where Danny trades away all the good talent.  I'm ready to watch a nice young team develop.

I completely disagree I think the wyc and danny are still in the mindset of trying to make this team a legitimate contender this season or next. otherwise we probably would have probably traded Rondo to sacramento already.

the only reasons to not trade Rondo now are because we still have dreams of this. or because we think we can get more for Rondo at the deadline if he plays well.

there is no reason to keep Rondo if we're rebuilding because he likely won't want to stay, he's really not worth a max deal on a team in transition. keeping him past the deadline and taking a chance he'll re-sign is a stupid gamble. if he plays well before the deadline we need to trade him.

[CFAN38]

I agree if the Love boat has sailed Cs need full rebuild,

Like the original post says the parity in the east should leave a Rondo and Green less celtics team in the bottom 3 with the young 76ers and bucks. I hate the idea of "tanking" like the 76ers did last year but playing a super young team that has NBA talent is nothing to be ashamed of. The 76ers where playing un drafted D-league level players heavy minutes last year. Where as the Cs would have a rotation made up of 1st round picks.


I stated in another post today that my targets for Rondo would be a 3 team deal that nets at least 1 pick and H Barnes or J Henson and maybe a 2nd pick or dumps Wallace. Honestly Barnes and an unprotected 1st is enough for me. Move Green to ATL for 1st , Tvares and TPE. Then try to move Bass for Biyombo. If Bass inst moved at least he is a solid vet to keep on a young team and KO and Sully have to staying playing some center.

My Ideal (realistic) rebuild team next year

PG Smart, Pressey
SG AB, Thorton
SF Barnes, Wallace, Young (get some D-league time), C Johnson
PF Sully, KO
C  Zeller, Biyombo, Fav, Anthony (solid vet presence look to move at deadline)

[vinnie]

Wondering what attendance will be like this year if they go full-on tank and get rid of Rondo and Green. I think it takes a huge hit. They seem pretty desperate already to get season ticket holders. I gave up my tickets before last season because my son was going off to college. They have called/emailed me at least 5 times trying to get me back. Way more than they contacted me last year.

[D.o.s.]

Wondering what attendance will be like tis year if they go full-on tank and get rid of Rondo and Green. I think it takes a huge hit, They seem pretty desperate already to get season ticket holders, I gave up my tickets before last season because my son was going off to college. They have called/emailed me at least 5 times trying to get me back. Way more than they contacted me last year.

Any regrets on that decision, by the way?

[gpap]

Wondering what attendance will be like tis year if they go full-on tank and get rid of Rondo and Green. I think it takes a huge hit, They seem pretty desperate already to get season ticket holders, I gave up my tickets before last season because my son was going off to college. They have called/emailed me at least 5 times trying to get me back. Way more than they contacted me last year.

Same here. I had season tixs from 2010 to 2013 and then didn't renew after they dealt KG/PP to Brooklyn.

Suffice to say, I'll probably won't be renewing this year either.

I think that's probably the only reason why that stupid fireworks comment was made.

So they don't lose any more season ticket holders.

[TheTruthFot18]

Tempted to vote A but I realized I was seeing "In Bill we trust"

IMO I think DA has done a good job. IF he saw the right move to make these fireworks I'm sure he would have in a heartbeat. He's cold blooded and is willing to do what it takes to make a winner.

[CFAN38]

Wondering what attendance will be like tis year if they go full-on tank and get rid of Rondo and Green. I think it takes a huge hit, They seem pretty desperate already to get season ticket holders, I gave up my tickets before last season because my son was going off to college. They have called/emailed me at least 5 times trying to get me back. Way more than they contacted me last year.

Same here. I had season tixs from 2010 to 2013 and then didn't renew after they dealt KG/PP to Brooklyn.

Suffice to say, I'll probably won't be renewing this year either.

I think that's probably the only reason why that stupid fireworks comment was made.

So they don't lose any more season ticket holders.

I think the fireworks comment was truthful. I think DA and owner ship new throught Love agent that he is willing to come to boston and they expected to get something done. I bet years from now it will come out that DA planned on trading for love and Asik this off season just Minn played hard ball and in the end prob found a better deal.

below are the attendance stats for the NBA if you look back the Cs did dip during the last rebuild but not to the level of a lot of franchises.

http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance

[Sketch5]

We wiffed on Asik, and Affalo.  Failed to go after jordan hill, let lance stephenson go and signed avery and Tyler.  I think this organization is fully focused on a rebuild, and I don't mind at all, as long as that's the goal and I dont have to keep hearing about a situation brewing again like in 2007-2008 where Danny trades away all the good talent.  I'm ready to watch a nice young team develop.

Eh. Didn't wiffed on Asik and Affalo. I don't get the Asik thing, it's like the guy farts rainbows or something. He averages 6ppg 8rpg and just less than a block in 20min. Zeller averages 6ppg 4 rpg and a half a block in 15 min. And he's four years younger, that was playing behind two other centers at less than 2mill a year. Zeller is playing his contract were Asik is not.

 Asik would have been nice if we had Love, but we didn't and DA could use the TE until the 10th, and Asik was moved before then.

Affalo the same, moved before DA could really do anything. Doesn't make sense to move for a guy, which we would have needed to trade a pick for when DA wasn't sure if we are going int rebuild mod or getting Love. Get Love, Affalo is more valuable than a pick. No Love, the pick is more valuable. Which this is looking like the case.

He didn't let Stephenson go, he didn't have him. We would have had to do a S&T with Indy to get him and probably Bird wanted Rondo and DA didn't want to do that deal at the time.

DA has been playing both contend and rebuild at this time. But with Love most likely going to the Cavs or Warriors, now he can pick one. He's going to scrap what we don't need, try to get rid of bad contracts and develop the young players.

So DA didn't mess anything up. Minny messed things up by not playing ball with us on draft night. But they look like they will come out better for it. And I think while it's going to take longer, we will too.

I'm hoping that GSW gets Love, and Cleveland/Lebron will want some more vet help. I could see DA going hard at Wiggins, getting other teams involved.

[GreenWarrior]

Wondering what attendance will be like tis year if they go full-on tank and get rid of Rondo and Green. I think it takes a huge hit, They seem pretty desperate already to get season ticket holders, I gave up my tickets before last season because my son was going off to college. They have called/emailed me at least 5 times trying to get me back. Way more than they contacted me last year.

Same here. I had season tixs from 2010 to 2013 and then didn't renew after they dealt KG/PP to Brooklyn.

Suffice to say, I'll probably won't be renewing this year either.

I think that's probably the only reason why that stupid fireworks comment was made.

So they don't lose any more season ticket holders.

I think the fireworks comment was truthful. I think DA and owner ship new throught Love agent that he is willing to come to boston and they expected to get something done. I bet years from now it will come out that DA planned on trading for love and Asik this off season just Minn played hard ball and in the end prob found a better deal.

below are the attendance stats for the NBA if you look back the Cs did dip during the last rebuild but not to the level of a lot of franchises.

http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance

yeah, I don't get the "fans will bail" thought. attendance overall would be down & season ticket holders would likely drop through a rebuild for any team. but this team has seen some dark days and endured. the fans here get up to see the top teams and show up to see us beat them regardless of how good or bad we are. Wed. and Fri. night games from what I've seen over the yrs. have always seemed to draw big crowds for whatever reason and regardless of who the opposing team was.

I don't think attendance is a major drawback when it comes to what wyc and ainge may do.