Embrace the rebuild

[GreenWarrior]

oh and kudos to flip and Minn. holding out if they should end up landing wiggins. i'm looking forward to them going through this all again in 3 yr's.

[Mr October]

I voted for in Danny we trust. We are most likely in this for the long haul. We don't have a choice. This is the NBA. Rebuilds rarely ever happen quickly in this league.

They tried to get Love, and it looks like the Cavs are going to overpay to get him. I personally would rather have Wiggings plus what ever other young prospect like Bennett they are throwing in than Kevin love at 20 million per year.

But i am not the cavs. The cavs have to accelerate their winning and keep Lebron happy. The celtics are outbid. No other stars are clamoring to leave their current teams. We are in this for the long haul. The Celtics need to draft well, develop well, and have some luck.

[puskas54_10]

Nice read.

I always laughed when in the Big 3 era (2007-08 - 2011-12) people said: Just wait till we have young, athletic guys on the team. Run and gun here we come. Rondo likes to run the Big 3 is old and don't give effort all the time. Wait till Rondo gets free and other garbage. I knew back then that after the Big 3 gone celtics will suck. Now the celtics suck and people don't understand what happening. Many thought you can just insert players in place of hall of famers and we are back in it. Replace Ray Allen with Avery Bradley, replace Paul Pierce with Jeff Green, replace Kevin Garnett with Sullinger/Olynik and you get what you have now. Enjoy what you wished for.

[Mr October]

Nice read.

I always laughed when in the Big 3 era (2007-08 - 2011-12) people said: Just wait till we have young, athletic guys on the team. Run and gun here we come. Rondo likes to run the Big 3 is old and don't give effort all the time. Wait till Rondo gets free and other garbage. I knew back then that after the Big 3 gone celtics will suck. Now the celtics suck and people don't understand what happening. Many thought you can just insert players in place of hall of famers and we are back in it. Replace Ray Allen with Avery Bradley, replace Paul Pierce with Jeff Green, replace Kevin Garnett with Sullinger/Olynik and you get what you have now. Enjoy what you wished for.

No kidding. All the whining about playing the youth was at such a high volume. The youth tend to suck. The NBA is a grown man's league.

[Cman]

This is the NBA. Rebuilds rarely ever happen quickly in this league.

But Morey did it!!!
Oh, wait....

[Sketch5]

This is the NBA. Rebuilds rarely ever happen quickly in this league.

But Morey did it!!!
Oh, wait....

No your right, he did rebuild fast....And your right again, he completely mess it up just as fast!

[Rondo9]

This is the NBA. Rebuilds rarely ever happen quickly in this league.

But Morey did it!!!
Oh, wait....

He did it without bottoming out.

[Donoghus]

This is the NBA. Rebuilds rarely ever happen quickly in this league.

But Morey did it!!!
Oh, wait....

He did it without bottoming out.

If you're into first round exits.

[Rondo9]

This is the NBA. Rebuilds rarely ever happen quickly in this league.

But Morey did it!!!
Oh, wait....

He did it without bottoming out.

If you're into first round exits.

Still he managed to make the Rockets competitive.

[Kuberski33]

As someone who pays real cash for tickets and goes regularly, the idea of a lengthy rebuild will likely make me give my tickets up.  If I want to watch high level basketball, what I get on my TV is better than watching a 25 win team in person.  The in game entertainment stuff just does not interest me.

At the same time I realize that this is how things get done in the NBA.  The Celtics have 3 things in their favor - good draft picks, competent management and a new collective bargaining agreement that likely means fewer long term contracts so there's going to be more flexibility.  Hopefully this translates into a shorter rebuild, but luck is also gonna be required and failure to me means becoming the Atlanta Hawks - mid level team with no hope of winning it all.

Doesn't make me thrilled but that's the NBA.   I just won't pay money to see a weak team lose a lot more often than they win unless I see light at the end of the tunnel. Right now I just see a tunnel with a small spec of light in the distance.

[Donoghus]

This is the NBA. Rebuilds rarely ever happen quickly in this league.

But Morey did it!!!
Oh, wait....

He did it without bottoming out.

If you're into first round exits.

Still he managed to make the Rockets competitive.

And up until 2013, so were the Celtics for a 5-6 year span. 

It's cyclical and it'll happen again.   Just don't expect Summer '07 all over again.  That whole quick rebuild was an exception, not the norm.

I think some people on here get so wrapped up with the idea that since we did it in summer '07, we can do the same thing again.    Something like that doesn't happen very often, if ever. 

[Mr October]

Even the quick rebuilds take time to prepare for. Or you have to get major lottery luck.

Miami worked for a couple years to have contracts clear at the same time while they arranged wink wink deals with Lebron and Bosh. And none of it would have worked if they didn't already have Wade from a previous era of rebuilding.

The Celtics needed to have Paul Pierce in place, and have nice future draft picks, and have a budding all star potential player, and take the risk of squeezing a little extra time out of all stars on the decline. Don't forget that in addition to Al Jefferson, the Celtics sent a future lottery pick (originally from Minnesota) back to them in the deal. I think that extra layer of frosting doesnt get included enough in conversation.

Yeah who knows if that Rockets team will ever make a finals appearance. I will bet no. I dont think Harden and Howard have enough discipline and cahones to carry their team through 3 seven game series in the brutal West.

[cltc5]

We wiffed on Asik, and Affalo.  Failed to go after jordan hill, let lance stephenson go and signed avery and Tyler.  I think this organization is fully focused on a rebuild, and I don't mind at all, as long as that's the goal and I dont have to keep hearing about a situation brewing again like in 2007-2008 where Danny trades away all the good talent.  I'm ready to watch a nice young team develop.

I completely disagree I think the wyc and danny are still in the mindset of trying to make this team a legitimate contender this season or next. otherwise we probably would have probably traded Rondo to sacramento already.

the only reasons to not trade Rondo now are because we still have dreams of this. or because we think we can get more for Rondo at the deadline if he plays well.

there is no reason to keep Rondo if we're rebuilding because he likely won't want to stay, he's really not worth a max deal on a team in transition. keeping him past the deadline and taking a chance he'll re-sign is a stupid gamble. if he plays well before the deadline we need to trade him.

Thye'll showcase him, trade him at the deadline then tank the rest of the year.  We'll have more assets and maybe some younger players in addition

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

As someone who pays real cash for tickets and goes regularly, the idea of a lengthy rebuild will likely make me give my tickets up.  If I want to watch high level basketball, what I get on my TV is better than watching a 25 win team in person.  The in game entertainment stuff just does not interest me.

At the same time I realize that this is how things get done in the NBA.  The Celtics have 3 things in their favor - good draft picks, competent management and a new collective bargaining agreement that likely means fewer long term contracts so there's going to be more flexibility.  Hopefully this translates into a shorter rebuild, but luck is also gonna be required and failure to me means becoming the Atlanta Hawks - mid level team with no hope of winning it all.

Doesn't make me thrilled but that's the NBA.   I just won't pay money to see a weak team lose a lot more often than they win unless I see light at the end of the tunnel. Right now I just see a tunnel with a small spec of light in the distance.

Totally agree. I just feel like any rush rebuild will turn us into the hawks or Rockets even though I think Morey should've kept that team together  for the chemistry and their  role players confidence were rapidly building up. Honestly cant believe after playoffs they didn't see Chandler as the 3rd piece. He was clearly the only one who was relevant at the time. Now they have nothing!

[cltc5]

We wiffed on Asik, and Affalo.  Failed to go after jordan hill, let lance stephenson go and signed avery and Tyler.  I think this organization is fully focused on a rebuild, and I don't mind at all, as long as that's the goal and I dont have to keep hearing about a situation brewing again like in 2007-2008 where Danny trades away all the good talent.  I'm ready to watch a nice young team develop.

Eh. Didn't wiffed on Asik and Affalo. I don't get the Asik thing, it's like the guy farts rainbows or something. He averages 6ppg 8rpg and just less than a block in 20min. Zeller averages 6ppg 4 rpg and a half a block in 15 min. And he's four years younger, that was playing behind two other centers at less than 2mill a year. Zeller is playing his contract were Asik is not.

 Asik would have been nice if we had Love, but we didn't and DA could use the TE until the 10th, and Asik was moved before then.

Affalo the same, moved before DA could really do anything. Doesn't make sense to move for a guy, which we would have needed to trade a pick for when DA wasn't sure if we are going int rebuild mod or getting Love. Get Love, Affalo is more valuable than a pick. No Love, the pick is more valuable. Which this is looking like the case.

He didn't let Stephenson go, he didn't have him. We would have had to do a S&T with Indy to get him and probably Bird wanted Rondo and DA didn't want to do that deal at the time.

DA has been playing both contend and rebuild at this time. But with Love most likely going to the Cavs or Warriors, now he can pick one. He's going to scrap what we don't need, try to get rid of bad contracts and develop the young players.

So DA didn't mess anything up. Minny messed things up by not playing ball with us on draft night. But they look like they will come out better for it. And I think while it's going to take longer, we will too.

I'm hoping that GSW gets Love, and Cleveland/Lebron will want some more vet help. I could see DA going hard at Wiggins, getting other teams involved.

good points.  TP