exum vs smart

[Celtics18]

If Dante Exum ever makes an all star team, my guess is that it will be many, many seasons from now.  He just doesn't look anywhere near skilled enough to be a big impact NBA player in the near future.  To be honest, he doesn't look like much of a leaper either.

On the plus side, he's very long and rangy with long strides.  He's also a good passer.  I see his ceiling more as a poor man's Nick Batum than as a Penny Hardaway type lead guard.

I like CJ McCollum quite a bit, though.  I also like Gobert.

[Alleyoopster]

I've only seen Exum in highlight film.  He looked quite spectacular.  My initial impression was, "WOW! he's going to be the best player in the NBA next year."  Reading the posts on this site gives me a more realistic appraisal. 

Regardless of how the comparison between these two players works out I think we will still enjoy watching Smart.   

[The One]

You know what Smart is?  A stone cold killer who will do ANYTHING to win

You know what Exum is?  A nice player who will do fine. But doesn't bring that edge.

[bleedGREENdon]

I'd take Exum over Smart.  Summer league doesn't really mean anything.  Exum has star potential.  I haven't seen any experts suggesting Smart has that kind of ceiling.

From a guy that watched every Marcus game, this dude's ceiling is just as high as Exum. The only PGs with similar athletic combine numbers are John Wall, Westbrook, and Rose. Compare them and see.
As for exum, i'm a semi-fan but i'm not gonna praise a guy yet for ducking out on college competition to raise his stock.

Smart is an athletic freak that  also has an assassin mindset. Complete competitor. Right now if say he is above Rose,Westbrook and Wall when they all entered the league their first year. Just watch. Smart was a steal.

[celticslove]

You know what Smart is?  A stone cold killer who will do ANYTHING to win

You know what Exum is?  A nice player who will do fine. But doesn't bring that edge.

agree with this. smart will be amazing. i've seen 3 Utah SL games and i don't get the fuzz over exum (and wiggins, both seems lost), i don't see anything special about him. i'm more impressed with rodney hood than dante to be honest. but yeah it's just SL so let's see. 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth #20]

Smart shot 29% in summer league against scrubs, he was just hucking and missing, no amount of bricks made him stop shooting, it made me laugh then cry.

[Sketch5]

Smart shot 29% in summer league against scrubs, he was just hucking and missing, no amount of bricks made him stop shooting, it made me laugh then cry.

I don't think he was "hucking". He was taking shots mostly with in the offense. Yeah maybe a hand full were bad shots, but not hucking. He was taking shots and missing, but what else is he suppose to do in summer league when this is all part of getting better? Go in a corner and suck his thumb and wish he was a better shooter?

The fact he didn't shy away from it, and actually got better the last two games, hitting some out side shots and getting to the rim was encouraging.

But we all new he wasn't a good shooter, but he's got better mechanics than Rondo who takes his hand off the ball half way. And he shot around 84% from the FT. So his shot isn't crap, just needs some coaching. Which he will get plenty of.

Kidd and Payton were crap out side shooters when they came into the league, but like Smart were known for D and passing. Plus Smart has their winning attitude,  and leadership, which I love.

[DraftSmart33]

Smart shot 29% in summer league against scrubs, he was just hucking and missing, no amount of bricks made him stop shooting, it made me laugh then cry.

Yup....and Exum shot 32%  w/ 21% from 3 and 60% from the FT line....oh yeah while averaging 6.8 points.

Compare to Smart....
14.8 points  29% 26% 83% and he can play D unlike the hype that is Dante Exum.

http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2014/players/sl_dante_exum/
http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2014/players/sl_marcus_smart/

[colincb]

Smart impressed me more than most of the rookies during summer league. I'm taking Smart and his advanced stats ranking as the top prospect in the draft according to Kevin Pelton of ESPN  over Exum and his star potential. Exum's NBA Player Impact Estimate (PIE) stat was well below average for the summer league. PIE is the NBA's improved version of the PER stat.

Smart's PIE was well above average.  Smart stuffs stat sheets despite his poor shooting and he can fix a good deal of his shooting ills by better shot selection. His defense is already superior and his ability to create steals, hence possessions, is elite.

Doing well in the summer league is not a great indicator of success, However, doing poorly is a pretty good indicator of future problems in the league. Bet heavily on Smart over Exum, but don't bet the house. Same bet vs Gordon. All the rest of the lottery picks playing were average except for Payton, Warren and McDermott who were above average.

[CM0]

I'm a Smart fan...

- I understand the Hype around Exum...he's got the size and clearly has a decent first step, I wouldn't however call him a freak athlete...he's not. 

- He has a much greater bust potential than Smart

- Hype vs. what we know....he struggles against size and strength...he is supposed to have a developed O game that should have been on display in SL but has not looked good...5pts yesterday. 

- You can watch highlights all you want....he has not looked good (it is just SL though)

- Wouldn't compete against guards in predraft workouts...I understand the economics but Smart had a similar risk and came to work regardless.

Smart would have been a top 2 pick last year and some thought he could be picked by Orlando over Exum this year.  He has a developed D game that will get him on the court early...appears to be a better passer, is a better rebounder, and has a more durable frame.  I don't get the trend on this forum to think Smart has a low ceiling...it's ridiculous.   

Don't just take my opinion....

http://www.nbadraft.net/face-dante-exum-vs-marcus-smart

Summer League Numbers
http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2014/players/sl_marcus_smart/
http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2014/players/sl_dante_exum/

Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TncQcm7gmxk

I know the Exum fanboys will have a counter to every point...Summer League doesn't matter...Smart has a mans body wait until Exum develops...he was hurt in the under 19 tourney....he didn't need to match up in workouts.....

I just present facts.

I think its because we have Rondo (for now) and they are viewing him as a sg. Exum seems more viable as an off guard . Thats just my opinion. I get that Exum is the man of mystery, but Smart competed and loves to work, Exum hid.

In some ways, but Exum is actually a worse shooter than Smart and has always been ball-dominant. He's got more a prototypical SG frame than Smart, but his ceiling is highest at PG- not just because that's his natural position but it's where he creates the biggest possible matchup problems.

This "Smart's ceiling is role-player" talk is nonsense. He could very well become one of the top 3 PGs in the NBA in a few years. His ability to get into the paint will translate, as will his defense.

[CM0]

I'd take Exum over Smart.  Summer league doesn't really mean anything.  Exum has star potential.  I haven't seen any experts suggesting Smart has that kind of ceiling.

From a guy that watched every Marcus game, this dude's ceiling is just as high as Exum. The only PGs with similar athletic combine numbers are John Wall, Westbrook, and Rose. Compare them and see.
As for exum, i'm a semi-fan but i'm not gonna praise a guy yet for ducking out on college competition to raise his stock.

Smart's agility, sprint and no-step vert are ridiculous considering his bulk. He's going to be a perennial all-NBA 1st team defender. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes an 18-20 PPG type with 6-7 APG and 5-6 RPG. Hell, he could even become a 22 PPG type with his ability to get to the rim, especially if his outside shooting improves.

[Celtics4ever]

All Exum has is that one game against team USA.   No college and they hid him all last year.   It is has to be that his handler knows his stock would never be higher so they hid him so it did not lower.   Trust me, the only reason they do is that it would hurt his draft status if his flaws were observed.   To all his fans, I think your going to get a rude awakening.

Smart handled him nicely in head to head.   Exum is a kid and Smart is a man.   

[zerophase]

All Exum has is that one game against team USA.   No college and they hid him all last year.   It is has to be that his handler knows his stock would never be higher so they hid him so it did not lower.   Trust me, the only reason they do is that it would hurt his draft status if his flaws were observed.   To all his fans, I think your going to get a rude awakening.

Smart handled him nicely in head to head.   Exum is a kid and Smart is a man.   

Exactly. If he were really that good, they why not showcase him so he could go #1?

[GreenWarrior]

I don't understand the hate for exum, or smart for that matter. they're both good players. I do think exum's ceiling is higher, he just looks to have that potential to be able to do it all. and i'm kind of really encouraged with that that thought when people say "exum is kid and smart is a man".

[Celtics4ever]

I don't understand the hate for exum

They hid him, my statement has nothing to do with hate.   I think when you base a player's expectations off on game, your cruising for a bruising.  His handlers knew that he had a superb game and obviously figured out that his stock would not get higher and hid him for 11 months.   It could be a purely a business decision to maximize his draft status or they could be hiding something.

i'm kind of really encouraged with that that thought when people say "exum is kid and smart is a man".

His body will come along easy with some weight work.   So that knock against him will be gone soon.   He is young, Smart is a either a weight junkie or a classic mesomorph.  He is as strong as NFL players which makes him freakish in basketball.  Exum's ceiling is high provided his handlers aren't pulling a fast one on the NBA.   It happens all the time too, unknowns go high and get paid and they are not great NBA players.   Who knows how it will shake out.