Rumor: Rondo wants max extension

[Mazingerz]

Rondo is not wired as the other players are. I think he'll re-sign at $15Mn or less for 5 years. He'll stay a Celtic. And with a no-trade clause (for his peace of mind);

[BballTim]

Why does this surprise any of you? The awesome thing is that the usual suspects around here want to pay a ROLE PLAYER like Rondo, max dollars. He is severely overrated and Ainge needs to do the right thing now and trade him for whatever value the Celtics can get.

The ray of sunshine has returned 

I mean so many role players get triple doubles more often than most other players in the NBA, right?

He's the Fat Lever of our generation.

In 11 NBA seasons Lever averaged:
13.9 ppg
6.0 rpg
6.2 apg
2.0 spg
2.0 tov
44.7 fg
77.1 ft
31.7 mpg
43 Triple Doubles

In 8 NBA seasons Rondo has averaged:
11.1 ppg
4.6 rpg
8.4 apg
1.9 spg
2.8 tov
47.5 fg
62.1 ft
33.0 mpg
18 Triple Doubles

  Not sure if you're familiar with basketball in the 80s or Lever in particular, but the main thing he has in common with Rondo is they both rebounded well. First of all, when you're comparing Lever's stats to Rondo keep in mind Lever's teams generally averaged 115-120 ppg while Rondo's averaged in the low-mid 90s, so Rondo' probably scoring as much if not more of his team's points (percentage-wise) as Lever. Fat's assist percentage was never as high as 30%, and his career average wouldn't make the top 30 last year, so he scores like Rondo, rebounds like Rondo, but gets assists like a good small forward.

[D.o.s.]

Rondo is not wired as the other players are. I think he'll re-sign at $15Mn or less for 5 years. He'll stay a Celtic. And with a no-trade clause (for his peace of mind);

I don't see Ainge giving him a no-trade.

Also, just for anyone that hasn't got the links handy:
http://www.nba.com/media/CBA101.pdf
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

edit, Just for fun:
If you signed Rondo to a $15M/5, the C's would probably be paying him a 7.5% increase on each year of that deal, because that's how salary increases work when you're playing with Bird Rights. I'm not playing with the salary cap increases and how that would effect it, because this is just for fun.

THERE WERE NUMBERS HERE, AND THEY WERE WRONG.

But, Rondo's salary would go up. Here are the right numbers.
7.5% of $15 M each year adds 1,125,000 to each year of his deal.
$15
$16.125
$17.25
$18.5
$19.65

[Mazingerz]

Rondo is not wired as the other players are. I think he'll re-sign at $15Mn or less for 5 years. He'll stay a Celtic. And with a no-trade clause (for his peace of mind);

I don't see Ainge giving him a no-trade.

Also, just for anyone that hasn't got the links handy:
http://www.nba.com/media/CBA101.pdf
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

I think Rondo will ask for it. Danny will give it, coz Rondo doesnt want max money.

[D.o.s.]

Edited my post to give an example of why this is more complicated than it looks.

[D.o.s.]

and this is the humbling admission where I admit that my back of the envelope match is wrong -- it's 7.5% of the first year's salary, not cumulative.

BRB: gotta edit and then put my foot in my mouth.

[bballdog384]

Rondo is #10 on the all-time assists/game list. He'll likely pass Nash, Kidd, and Deron Williams over the next few years to be #7.

He's the best passer currently in the game besides Chris Paul.

People can't admit it, but Rondo is 100% a max player and will go down in history as one of the best passers of all time.

The only problem is that he might not fit with our team as currently constructed, and to the Celtics may not be worth the max.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ast_per_g_career.html

Saying "the max" makes it seem like there's a one-size-fits-all "max contract," which there isn't. Anyone who's given the CBA even a cursory read knows that.

I agree about the passing and the assists -- but I think Rondo's a better passer than CP3.

I feel like the value of Rondo's max has been discussed enough in this thread where I wouldn't have to repeat it.

And by pure assist/game numbers, Paul's stats are better. Rondo may be a slicker passer, but he showboats too much and turns the ball over more.

[D.o.s.]

Rondo is #10 on the all-time assists/game list. He'll likely pass Nash, Kidd, and Deron Williams over the next few years to be #7.

He's the best passer currently in the game besides Chris Paul.

People can't admit it, but Rondo is 100% a max player and will go down in history as one of the best passers of all time.

The only problem is that he might not fit with our team as currently constructed, and to the Celtics may not be worth the max.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ast_per_g_career.html

Saying "the max" makes it seem like there's a one-size-fits-all "max contract," which there isn't. Anyone who's given the CBA even a cursory read knows that.

I agree about the passing and the assists -- but I think Rondo's a better passer than CP3.

I feel like the value of Rondo's max has been discussed enough in this thread where I wouldn't have to repeat it.

And by pure assist/game numbers, Paul's stats are better. Rondo may be a slicker passer, but he showboats too much and turns the ball over more.

So, then, what is the value of Rondo's max contract?

edit: since this is a rhetorical question that may or may not get answered, the value of Rondo's max contract at the start of next season will be at least $23M and change (30% of the salary cap) -- but that's assuming that cap doesn't move at all between next season and 2015, when Rondo's hitting free agency.

[bballdog384]

Rondo is not wired as the other players are. I think he'll re-sign at $15Mn or less for 5 years. He'll stay a Celtic. And with a no-trade clause (for his peace of mind);

I don't see Ainge giving him a no-trade.

Also, just for anyone that hasn't got the links handy:
http://www.nba.com/media/CBA101.pdf
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

I think Rondo will ask for it. Danny will give it, coz Rondo doesnt want max money.

Yeah this is what Danny is hoping for.

If Danny can get him at 15+/year instead of 22+/year, just for throwing on a no trade clause - you can't really say no.

Especially b/c he'll be a lifelong Celtic - and may attract FAs because of the stability factor. Rondo at only 25% of the cap is a steal (he would be less than 25% with the expected future cap increases).

[BballTim]

Rondo's playoff per 36 numbers

13.6 p, 8.6 a, 5.6 r, 1.8 s, 2.7 t, 46% from 2, 27.7% from 3, 64.7% from 1


Rondo's regular season per 36 numbers

12.1 p, 9.2 a, 5.0 r, 2.1 s, 3.1 t, 49.5% from 2, 25.2% from 3, 62.1% from 1


In other words, not a whole lot different.  The reality is, everyone who talks about playoff Rondo only ever focus on his great games and completely ignore his terrible games, which he has a lot more frequently then most people realize.  But that is Rondo, great one game, terrible the next, with some average games sprinkled in.

  Here's more per36 numbers from Rondo:

11.6 p, 11.4 a, 4.7 r, 1.7 s, 3.6 t, 46% from 2, 23.8% from 3, 59.7% from 1

12.6 p, 10.6 a, 5.9 r, 1.4 s, 3.6 t, 40% from 2, 28.9% from 3, 62.7% from 1

  In other words, not a whole lot different. One set of numbers was from last year, when Rondo's play was relatively pedestrian. The other set of numbers was from 2012, when he was 3rd team all-nba. You can't always just look at a few numbers and see a player's impact on a game, especially in Rondo's case.

[Eddie20]

Why does this surprise any of you? The awesome thing is that the usual suspects around here want to pay a ROLE PLAYER like Rondo, max dollars. He is severely overrated and Ainge needs to do the right thing now and trade him for whatever value the Celtics can get.

The ray of sunshine has returned 

I mean so many role players get triple doubles more often than most other players in the NBA, right?

He's the Fat Lever of our generation.

In 11 NBA seasons Lever averaged:
13.9 ppg
6.0 rpg
6.2 apg
2.0 spg
2.0 tov
44.7 fg
77.1 ft
31.7 mpg
43 Triple Doubles

In 8 NBA seasons Rondo has averaged:
11.1 ppg
4.6 rpg
8.4 apg
1.9 spg
2.8 tov
47.5 fg
62.1 ft
33.0 mpg
18 Triple Doubles

  Not sure if you're familiar with basketball in the 80s or Lever in particular, but the main thing he has in common with Rondo is they both rebounded well. First of all, when you're comparing Lever's stats to Rondo keep in mind Lever's teams generally averaged 115-120 ppg while Rondo's averaged in the low-mid 90s, so Rondo' probably scoring as much if not more of his team's points (percentage-wise) as Lever. Fat's assist percentage was never as high as 30%, and his career average wouldn't make the top 30 last year, so he scores like Rondo, rebounds like Rondo, but gets assists like a good small forward.

Do you really believe some of the nonsense you write?

The numbers I provided are Lever's career averages. This means that the last couple of seasons, as his carer waned, negatively influenced his totals. In his 4 prime seasons (86-90), he scored 18.9, 18.9, 19.8, and 18.3, rebounded at 8.9, 8.1, 9.3, and 9.3, and had assist putouts of 8.0, 7.8, 7.9, and 7.9. So if Lever assists like a good SF then the Rondo antagonist could easily say that Rondo shoots FT's like a bad NBA center.

It makes me think you didn't watch much 80's basketball when a comparison to Lever somehow is a negative. Lever played in 2 all-star games (in a conference with Magic and Stockton) and was voted all-NBA 2nd team once (in an era which featured Magic, Stockton, Jordan, Moncrief, Drexler, and Thomas at guard). Rondo's played in 4 all-star games and was voted all-NBA 3rd team once.

Lever was a better shooter and scorer. Rondo the better playmaker. Both rebounded the ball well and played the passing lanes well (albeit they both gambled a little too much). Similar sized players with comparable numbers.

[SHAQATTACK]

At some point

Boston is going to,have to dump this HUGE roster

Of nobodies

And Pay some stars to play basketball......Rondo needs to be paid the market value

It's most likely a max contract in his case.

[cb8883]

Why does this surprise any of you? The awesome thing is that the usual suspects around here want to pay a ROLE PLAYER like Rondo, max dollars. He is severely overrated and Ainge needs to do the right thing now and trade him for whatever value the Celtics can get.

The ray of sunshine has returned 

I mean so many role players get triple doubles more often than most other players in the NBA, right?

He's done exactly what with a sub par supporting cast? Yeah he was recovering last year but has shown no signs of being a true star in the league. A true star elevates the play of everyone on the team. Rondo in theory is supposed to do that. When has Rondo not been the product of his teammates. This year will not be kind to him unless you get him all stars to play with.

[fitzhickey]

Why does this surprise any of you? The awesome thing is that the usual suspects around here want to pay a ROLE PLAYER like Rondo, max dollars. He is severely overrated and Ainge needs to do the right thing now and trade him for whatever value the Celtics can get.

The ray of sunshine has returned 

I mean so many role players get triple doubles more often than most other players in the NBA, right?

He's done exactly what with a sub par supporting cast? Yeah he was recovering last year but has shown no signs of being a true star in the league. A true star elevates the play of everyone on the team. Rondo in theory is supposed to do that. When has Rondo not been the product of his teammates. This year will not be kind to him unless you get him all stars to play with.

He showed signs of being very similar to the player he was pre-injury. You called him a role player. A freakin' role player. Players like Luke Ridnour, or Jeff Green, or Patty Mills. Those are role players. Role players don't get multiple all-star appearances

[BballTim]

Why does this surprise any of you? The awesome thing is that the usual suspects around here want to pay a ROLE PLAYER like Rondo, max dollars. He is severely overrated and Ainge needs to do the right thing now and trade him for whatever value the Celtics can get.

The ray of sunshine has returned 

I mean so many role players get triple doubles more often than most other players in the NBA, right?

He's the Fat Lever of our generation.

In 11 NBA seasons Lever averaged:
13.9 ppg
6.0 rpg
6.2 apg
2.0 spg
2.0 tov
44.7 fg
77.1 ft
31.7 mpg
43 Triple Doubles

In 8 NBA seasons Rondo has averaged:
11.1 ppg
4.6 rpg
8.4 apg
1.9 spg
2.8 tov
47.5 fg
62.1 ft
33.0 mpg
18 Triple Doubles

  Not sure if you're familiar with basketball in the 80s or Lever in particular, but the main thing he has in common with Rondo is they both rebounded well. First of all, when you're comparing Lever's stats to Rondo keep in mind Lever's teams generally averaged 115-120 ppg while Rondo's averaged in the low-mid 90s, so Rondo' probably scoring as much if not more of his team's points (percentage-wise) as Lever. Fat's assist percentage was never as high as 30%, and his career average wouldn't make the top 30 last year, so he scores like Rondo, rebounds like Rondo, but gets assists like a good small forward.

Do you really believe some of the nonsense you write?

The numbers I provided are Lever's career averages. This means that the last couple of seasons, as his carer waned, negatively influenced his totals. In his 4 prime seasons (86-90), he scored 18.9, 18.9, 19.8, and 18.3, rebounded at 8.9, 8.1, 9.3, and 9.3, and had assist putouts of 8.0, 7.8, 7.9, and 7.9. So if Lever assists like a good SF then the Rondo antagonist could easily say that Rondo shoots FT's like a bad NBA center.

  Yes, Rondo shoots free throws poorly. But Lever didn't get a ton of assists considering the number of points his team scored. In Lever's highest assist year he got 9 a game but his team made over 47 baskets a game, Rondo's best he got 12 apg out of less than 36 baskets a game. It's not close to being close. It's also worth pointing out that Lever didn't play a ton during those "waning seasons", and that your selection of Lever's prime started when he was about the age Rondo was last year, and he was older when he entered the league as well.

It makes me think you didn't watch much 80's basketball when a comparison to Lever somehow is a negative. Lever played in 2 all-star games (in a conference with Magic and Stockton) and was voted all-NBA 2nd team once (in an era which featured Magic, Stockton, Jordan, Moncrief, Drexler, and Thomas at guard). Rondo's played in 4 all-star games and was voted all-NBA 3rd team once.

Lever was a better shooter and scorer. Rondo the better playmaker. Both rebounded the ball well and played the passing lanes well (albeit they both gambled a little too much). Similar sized players with comparable numbers.

  Rondo made 4 all-star games and was 3rd team all-nba once before he was injured, and he was younger than Lever was when he made his first all-star team at the time. In terms of stature as players Rondo's well above Lever. Also, Lever wasn't that much better a scorer when you consider that his teams scored about 20% more than Rondo's. Oh, and he wasn't really a better shooter. He had a lower fg%, eFG% and TS% than Rondo.