Andy Katz: C's in conversation with Kings for the 8th pick

[Chief Macho]

Green and #17 for #8 and filler.

Isaiah Thomas can't be traded on Draft Night.

Considering Sacramento's desire for veterans that package would be my guess... The filler being an unwanted contract (or 2) from Sacramento.

Danny, earlier in the draft process, stated that the top tier in this draft consists of 8. I see him targeting a mix of Embiid/Smart/Gordon/Vonleh/Randle (in that order) depending on availability. I think he wants to keep Rondo to build around (ala Pierce) because he thinks Rajon will stay regardless of if a star is acquired this offseason or not.

Ainge will not sell low on Rondo or Sullinger and will sell high on Green.

Pretty sure he "liked" 6 players.   At least that's what Wyc said on a interview I think..

[nacceltic]

OK, so I don't think the Love thing is dead...With that in mind, maybe Ainge believes #6 & #8 would seal the deal...

Knowing that Sac is looking for either a PG or PF, it's tough to pinpoint what Boston is offering.

Would Bass, Bradley & a future 1st be good enough to get #8?

Would Sacramento be interested in a Green & Nets future 1st (top-5 protected) for #8 and they play Green at the four?

Or, as many have said, since the Rondo thing has been out there for about a year now, maybe this is Ainge keeping several options on the burner at the same time...

It's all about assets and not personal feelings to Ainge...So, if he believes that Rondo can fetch him more attractive assets towards building a champion, then he'll pull the trigger.  Rondo for #8 and McLemore and Derrick Williams works, because that brings back three tradeable assets for a guy Ainge believes he'll lose at the end of the year anyway...

Then Ainge rolls into next offseason with:
#6, #8 & #17 this year (Three of Randle, Smart, Embiid, Gordon, McDermott, Saric, Warren, etc.)
Sully
Olynyk
McLemore
D. Williams
Expiring Green deal (IF he opts in)
Gerald Wallace's expiring contract
Oh, and a billion 1st round picks still left...
Oh, and a TON of cap space...

My gut still feels like Love is a realistic option, but if not, can we make it through one more year of mediocrity if it sets us up for next offseason with all the above?

[slamtheking]

Green and #17 for #8 and filler.

Isaiah Thomas can't be traded on Draft Night.

Considering Sacramento's desire for veterans that package would be my guess... The filler being an unwanted contract (or 2) from Sacramento.

Danny, earlier in the draft process, stated that the top tier in this draft consists of 8. I see him targeting a mix of Embiid/Smart/Gordon/Vonleh/Randle (in that order) depending on availability. I think he wants to keep Rondo to build around (ala Pierce) because he thinks Rajon will stay regardless of if a star is acquired this offseason or not.

Ainge will not sell low on Rondo or Sullinger and will sell high on Green.

Pretty sure he "liked" 6 players.   At least that's what Wyc said on a interview I think..

wonder if Danny sees that draft opportunity as Embiid at 6 and Gordon at 8.  that would be a pretty sweet pick up if Sac will take Green and 17

[Chris22]

Green and #17 for #8 and filler.

Isaiah Thomas can't be traded on Draft Night.

Considering Sacramento's desire for veterans that package would be my guess... The filler being an unwanted contract (or 2) from Sacramento.

Danny, earlier in the draft process, stated that the top tier in this draft consists of 8. I see him targeting a mix of Embiid/Smart/Gordon/Vonleh/Randle (in that order) depending on availability. I think he wants to keep Rondo to build around (ala Pierce) because he thinks Rajon will stay regardless of if a star is acquired this offseason or not.

Ainge will not sell low on Rondo or Sullinger and will sell high on Green.

Pretty sure he "liked" 6 players.   At least that's what Wyc said on a interview I think..

wonder if Danny sees that draft opportunity as Embiid at 6 and Gordon at 8.  that would be a pretty sweet pick up if Sac will take Green and 17

From your lips to God's ears.

Rondo and 17 would be ok too.

[BigAlTheFuture]

Green and #17 for #8 and filler.

Isaiah Thomas can't be traded on Draft Night.

Considering Sacramento's desire for veterans that package would be my guess... The filler being an unwanted contract (or 2) from Sacramento.

Danny, earlier in the draft process, stated that the top tier in this draft consists of 8. I see him targeting a mix of Embiid/Smart/Gordon/Vonleh/Randle (in that order) depending on availability. I think he wants to keep Rondo to build around (ala Pierce) because he thinks Rajon will stay regardless of if a star is acquired this offseason or not.

Ainge will not sell low on Rondo or Sullinger and will sell high on Green.

Pretty sure he "liked" 6 players.   At least that's what Wyc said on a interview I think..

wonder if Danny sees that draft opportunity as Embiid at 6 and Gordon at 8.  that would be a pretty sweet pick up if Sac will take Green and 17

From your lips to God's ears.

Rondo and 17 would be ok too.

I know you don't like Rondo but good God. He can fetch a lot more than that. Why would we trade Rondo & 17 for #8? You don't like Rondo, cool. But these ridiculous trade ideas are getting silly. Why not get the most we can for him? Not this Rondo + 17 for #8 or Rondo for Gordon Hayward ideas you're talking about.

[Chris22]

Green and #17 for #8 and filler.

Isaiah Thomas can't be traded on Draft Night.

Considering Sacramento's desire for veterans that package would be my guess... The filler being an unwanted contract (or 2) from Sacramento.

Danny, earlier in the draft process, stated that the top tier in this draft consists of 8. I see him targeting a mix of Embiid/Smart/Gordon/Vonleh/Randle (in that order) depending on availability. I think he wants to keep Rondo to build around (ala Pierce) because he thinks Rajon will stay regardless of if a star is acquired this offseason or not.

Ainge will not sell low on Rondo or Sullinger and will sell high on Green.

Pretty sure he "liked" 6 players.   At least that's what Wyc said on a interview I think..

wonder if Danny sees that draft opportunity as Embiid at 6 and Gordon at 8.  that would be a pretty sweet pick up if Sac will take Green and 17

From your lips to God's ears.

Rondo and 17 would be ok too.

I know you don't like Rondo but good God. He can fetch a lot more than that. Why would we trade Rondo & 17 for #8? You don't like Rondo, cool. But these ridiculous trade ideas are getting silly. Why not get the most we can for him? Not this Rondo + 17 for #8 or Rondo for Gordon Hayward ideas you're talking about.

Nothing silly about it. Rondo isn't any good anymore, and he makes $10 million dollars a year.
If anybody wanted him, he would have been traded long ago.

[blink]

Green and #17 for #8 and filler.

Isaiah Thomas can't be traded on Draft Night.

Considering Sacramento's desire for veterans that package would be my guess... The filler being an unwanted contract (or 2) from Sacramento.

Danny, earlier in the draft process, stated that the top tier in this draft consists of 8. I see him targeting a mix of Embiid/Smart/Gordon/Vonleh/Randle (in that order) depending on availability. I think he wants to keep Rondo to build around (ala Pierce) because he thinks Rajon will stay regardless of if a star is acquired this offseason or not.

Ainge will not sell low on Rondo or Sullinger and will sell high on Green.

Pretty sure he "liked" 6 players.   At least that's what Wyc said on a interview I think..

wonder if Danny sees that draft opportunity as Embiid at 6 and Gordon at 8.  that would be a pretty sweet pick up if Sac will take Green and 17

From your lips to God's ears.

Rondo and 17 would be ok too.

I know you don't like Rondo but good God. He can fetch a lot more than that. Why would we trade Rondo & 17 for #8? You don't like Rondo, cool. But these ridiculous trade ideas are getting silly. Why not get the most we can for him? Not this Rondo + 17 for #8 or Rondo for Gordon Hayward ideas you're talking about.

Nothing silly about it. Rondo isn't any good anymore, and he makes $10 million dollars a year.
If anybody wanted him, he would have been traded long ago.

There is so much wrong with this statement, I don't even know what to say.  Let's start with his current contract, he is on the books next year for 12.9mil, which most would probably tell you is a bargain deal for a 4 time all-star....if you can't even get the facts correct, why would any believe your hyperbole?

[RRNoLookPass]

Green and #17 for #8 and filler.

Isaiah Thomas can't be traded on Draft Night.

Considering Sacramento's desire for veterans that package would be my guess... The filler being an unwanted contract (or 2) from Sacramento.

Danny, earlier in the draft process, stated that the top tier in this draft consists of 8. I see him targeting a mix of Embiid/Smart/Gordon/Vonleh/Randle (in that order) depending on availability. I think he wants to keep Rondo to build around (ala Pierce) because he thinks Rajon will stay regardless of if a star is acquired this offseason or not.

Ainge will not sell low on Rondo or Sullinger and will sell high on Green.

Pretty sure he "liked" 6 players.   At least that's what Wyc said on a interview I think..

wonder if Danny sees that draft opportunity as Embiid at 6 and Gordon at 8.  that would be a pretty sweet pick up if Sac will take Green and 17

From your lips to God's ears.

Rondo and 17 would be ok too.

I know you don't like Rondo but good God. He can fetch a lot more than that. Why would we trade Rondo & 17 for #8? You don't like Rondo, cool. But these ridiculous trade ideas are getting silly. Why not get the most we can for him? Not this Rondo + 17 for #8 or Rondo for Gordon Hayward ideas you're talking about.

Nothing silly about it. Rondo isn't any good anymore, and he makes $10 million dollars a year.
If anybody wanted him, he would have been traded long ago.

You're right, for once... Rondo isn't good anymore.

He's Great.

And he makes $11mill per year, not 10. But for the record, Rondo's contract is widely considered to be one of the best value contracts in the entire league. For a player of his caliber, Rondo is well worth what he gets paid.

And using your logic, I guess the only reason players do not get traded is because nobody else wants them. 
It's not like teams like to hang on to their best players or anything like that 

[jay]

If they can roll out Rondo, Smith, Gay, and Cousins that's a pretty good top 4.  Especially for the Kings.  Maybe they could get a project like Tony Wroten or Archie Goodwin or HardWay or Shumpert for a SG.

Maybe Danny wants to start over with Smart and Gordon?

[byennie]

Ah yes, the Rondo trolls are out tonight. 4x All-Star, 4x All-Defense, 2x assists leader, championship, steals leader, 6x playoff triple doubles... and he's 28 years old right in his prime, and fully recovered from injury. On a reasonable contract.

He's got his flaws, but the hyperbole around here gets soooo old.

[Queensdeep]

There is way too much hate for Rondo on this forum.
There is also too little appreciation for what he has sacrificed for the team and its success.
Rondo for the #8 pick is a joke. Think about it, who are you getting?
Randle?  Smart?  Gordon?
Are any of them near Rondo's level? (or better question, will they ever be?)
Appreciate the fact that you have arguably the best passing, old-school point guard in the game right now. We've all seen him compete in the playoffs, he can elevate his game when needed. Not to mention, he's been the best player in play series that have included Lebron and Dwight.
Not to say I'm not frustrated when he takes breaks guarding his man during regular season games or the sometimes diminished effort during games against lesser teams (looking at you, pistons).
This is a guy who can lead this team to a championship if you surround him with the right pieces. He's gonna resign with us next year because he knows he has a coach, GM and leadership who have his back.
Just my two cents, long time reader, first time poster.

[pearljammer10]

There is way too much hate for Rondo on this forum.
There is also too little appreciation for what he has sacrificed for the team and its success.
Rondo for the #8 pick is a joke. Think about it, who are you getting?
Randle?  Smart?  Gordon?
Are any of them near Rondo's level? (or better question, will they ever be?)
Appreciate the fact that you have arguably the best passing, old-school point guard in the game right now. We've all seen him compete in the playoffs, he can elevate his game when needed. Not to mention, he's been the best player in play series that have included Lebron and Dwight.
Not to say I'm not frustrated when he takes breaks guarding his man during regular season games or the sometimes diminished effort during games against lesser teams (looking at you, pistons).
This is a guy who can lead this team to a championship if you surround him with the right pieces. He's gonna resign with us next year because he knows he has a coach, GM and leadership who have his back.
Just my two cents, long time reader, first time poster.

Welcome. I completely agree. Here's your first TP for a logical Rondo opinion. They are few and far between around here.

[CelticSooner]

Your never going to get fair value for Rondo this late in his contract. For what Sac would be offering it probably would be the best value you could get. If you can't grab someone like Love to pair with Rondo you have to start thinking about trading him. Much better than letting his value continue to lower and ultimately possibly walk away with nothing.

[Smokeeye123]

Green and #17 for #8 and filler.

Isaiah Thomas can't be traded on Draft Night.

Considering Sacramento's desire for veterans that package would be my guess... The filler being an unwanted contract (or 2) from Sacramento.

Danny, earlier in the draft process, stated that the top tier in this draft consists of 8. I see him targeting a mix of Embiid/Smart/Gordon/Vonleh/Randle (in that order) depending on availability. I think he wants to keep Rondo to build around (ala Pierce) because he thinks Rajon will stay regardless of if a star is acquired this offseason or not.

Ainge will not sell low on Rondo or Sullinger and will sell high on Green.

Pretty sure he "liked" 6 players.   At least that's what Wyc said on a interview I think..

wonder if Danny sees that draft opportunity as Embiid at 6 and Gordon at 8.  that would be a pretty sweet pick up if Sac will take Green and 17

From your lips to God's ears.

Rondo and 17 would be ok too.

I know you don't like Rondo but good God. He can fetch a lot more than that. Why would we trade Rondo & 17 for #8? You don't like Rondo, cool. But these ridiculous trade ideas are getting silly. Why not get the most we can for him? Not this Rondo + 17 for #8 or Rondo for Gordon Hayward ideas you're talking about.

Nothing silly about it. Rondo isn't any good anymore, and he makes $10 million dollars a year.
If anybody wanted him, he would have been traded long ago.

[Sketch5]

Green and #17 for #8 and filler.

Isaiah Thomas can't be traded on Draft Night.

Considering Sacramento's desire for veterans that package would be my guess... The filler being an unwanted contract (or 2) from Sacramento.

Danny, earlier in the draft process, stated that the top tier in this draft consists of 8. I see him targeting a mix of Embiid/Smart/Gordon/Vonleh/Randle (in that order) depending on availability. I think he wants to keep Rondo to build around (ala Pierce) because he thinks Rajon will stay regardless of if a star is acquired this offseason or not.

Ainge will not sell low on Rondo or Sullinger and will sell high on Green.

Pretty sure he "liked" 6 players.   At least that's what Wyc said on a interview I think..

wonder if Danny sees that draft opportunity as Embiid at 6 and Gordon at 8.  that would be a pretty sweet pick up if Sac will take Green and 17

From your lips to God's ears.

Rondo and 17 would be ok too.

I know you don't like Rondo but good God. He can fetch a lot more than that. Why would we trade Rondo & 17 for #8? You don't like Rondo, cool. But these ridiculous trade ideas are getting silly. Why not get the most we can for him? Not this Rondo + 17 for #8 or Rondo for Gordon Hayward ideas you're talking about.

Nothing silly about it. Rondo isn't any good anymore, and he makes $10 million dollars a year.
If anybody wanted him, he would have been traded long ago.

You really can't say Rondo isn't good any more after a half a season, after having serious injury, playing for a new coach,new system, with not the best team, trying not to win.

Rondo's game wasn't completely based on athletics like Rose. Maybe his rebounding will go down a bit, and his scoring a little, but  He's a passer, and thinks the game out.

Last time I checked his arms or head hadn't fallen off.