C's Have Talked to Cavs about #1

[footey]

Yes, it's Blakely...here's the link:

http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/source-celtics-interested-no-1-pick

This actually makes me pretty angry at Danny. He easily could have tanked harder to get us a better chance at a top pick. He very easily could have released Humphries and Bayless who were unrestricted free agents. That alone could have gotten us a few more losses...

So he chooses not to follow in the tracks of ORL, PHI, and MIL telling us that he's not really crazy about this draft class. And now he's trying to land the #1 pick??? What changed?

Not only did choosing not to tank take us out of the running for Parker and Wiggins, it also is now making it more difficult to make a trade for Love.

At this moment, Danny not tanking harder is looking like a huge mistake.

Cleveland finished with a better record than us yet got the first pick. Total tank job would not have landed us top pick this year. Or most.

[footey]

Would love for us to get the #1 pick and select Wiggins or Parker. I don't think we have the assets to get it done though. Unless we are willing to trade #6, #17, Green, along with 1 of the BKN picks.

Even that would not be enough.

What is all this fuss about getting the top pick?  Once Embiid got hurt, made it much less valuable.  Can't be Parker, his upside so clearly limited.  And Wiggins just seems like a crap shoot to me. I just don't get all the activity here, unless Cleveland has made it clear they want to move the pick.  Does moving the pick make it easier for them to go after LBJ and Melo?? Is this a cap issue?

[JohnBoy65]

Yes, it's Blakely...here's the link:

http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/source-celtics-interested-no-1-pick

This actually makes me pretty angry at Danny. He easily could have tanked harder to get us a better chance at a top pick. He very easily could have released Humphries and Bayless who were unrestricted free agents. That alone could have gotten us a few more losses...

So he chooses not to follow in the tracks of ORL, PHI, and MIL telling us that he's not really crazy about this draft class. And now he's trying to land the #1 pick??? What changed?

Not only did choosing not to tank take us out of the running for Parker and Wiggins, it also is now making it more difficult to make a trade for Love.

At this moment, Danny not tanking harder is looking like a huge mistake.

Cleveland finished with a better record than us yet got the first pick. Total tank job would not have landed us top pick this year. Or most.

Great point, TP

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

Yes, it's Blakely...here's the link:

http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/source-celtics-interested-no-1-pick

This actually makes me pretty angry at Danny. He easily could have tanked harder to get us a better chance at a top pick. He very easily could have released Humphries and Bayless who were unrestricted free agents. That alone could have gotten us a few more losses...

So he chooses not to follow in the tracks of ORL, PHI, and MIL telling us that he's not really crazy about this draft class. And now he's trying to land the #1 pick??? What changed?

Not only did choosing not to tank take us out of the running for Parker and Wiggins, it also is now making it more difficult to make a trade for Love.

At this moment, Danny not tanking harder is looking like a huge mistake.

Cleveland finished with a better record than us yet got the first pick. Total tank job would not have landed us top pick this year. Or most.

See, I think a lot of people forget this . Cleaveland got lucky. They were actually striving to make the playoffs at one point. Maybe we would be in a better position if we tanked a little harder. What if Love wasn't even a option? or Embiied didn't get injured. The "what ifs" are completely nonsence

[Chris]

I think the most likely scenario of the C's getting the top pick is if Cleveland just picks Wiggins, and then Embiid, who Cleveland supposedly really wants, falls to 6.  So, then the C's pick Embiid, and trade him, #17, and Bogans' non-guaranteed deal for Wiggins and Jack who they have been trying to get rid of.  That gives Cleveland nearly $7 million more in cap space this summer to go after Lebron and other help, along with the #17 pick where they could get a rotation quality wing, while still getting the guy they had at the top of their draft board. 

Of course a lot of things have to happen for this to work out, but I think that is the type of thing Danny would be proposing as a possible scenario.

[LooseCannon]

What is all this fuss about getting the top pick?  Once Embiid got hurt, made it much less valuable.  Can't be Parker, his upside so clearly limited.  And Wiggins just seems like a crap shoot to me. I just don't get all the activity here, unless Cleveland has made it clear they want to move the pick.  Does moving the pick make it easier for them to go after LBJ and Melo?? Is this a cap issue?

The value of the #1 pick doesn't change for people who never thought Embiid was the best player in the draft.

Cleveland is a team that has been known to do stupid things.  A GM is just doing his due diligence if he kicks the tires on a possible trade with the Cavs just in case they feel like being stupid.

[footey]

Ainge probably called and the Celtics made an offer, (just like pretty much every other team), but I don't think we have the pieces to beat what Orlando is currently offering unless we trade Rondo as part of the package.

So far we have heard the 5 and Favors for the first pick and 4, 12 and Afflalo for the first pick. Our package doesn't even come close to either of those.

Are all these proposals being leaked out to get Philly, who has coveted Wiggins for longer than any other team, to step to the plate and work a trade with Cleveland?  Philly has the most assets too in terms of picks.  Just seems a matter of time.  Clearly Cleveland is making the pick available.

[Donoghus]

I think the most likely scenario of the C's getting the top pick is if Cleveland just picks Wiggins, and then Embiid, who Cleveland supposedly really wants, falls to 6.  So, then the C's pick Embiid, and trade him, #17, and Bogans' non-guaranteed deal for Wiggins and Jack who they have been trying to get rid of.  That gives Cleveland nearly $7 million more in cap space this summer to go after Lebron and other help, along with the #17 pick where they could get a rotation quality wing, while still getting the guy they had at the top of their draft board. 

Of course a lot of things have to happen for this to work out, but I think that is the type of thing Danny would be proposing as a possible scenario.

This scenario actually makes a helluva lot of sense.

Not that it's necessarily likely but if something were to happen, I could see it along these lines.

[footey]

I think the most likely scenario of the C's getting the top pick is if Cleveland just picks Wiggins, and then Embiid, who Cleveland supposedly really wants, falls to 6.  So, then the C's pick Embiid, and trade him, #17, and Bogans' non-guaranteed deal for Wiggins and Jack who they have been trying to get rid of.  That gives Cleveland nearly $7 million more in cap space this summer to go after Lebron and other help, along with the #17 pick where they could get a rotation quality wing, while still getting the guy they had at the top of their draft board. 

Of course a lot of things have to happen for this to work out, but I think that is the type of thing Danny would be proposing as a possible scenario.

Yeah, this sounds more like Danny.  But I just question the premise: that Danny wants Wiggins over Embiid.  Embiid seems tailor made for our team, and what it lacks.

[Smokeeye123]

I think the most likely scenario of the C's getting the top pick is if Cleveland just picks Wiggins, and then Embiid, who Cleveland supposedly really wants, falls to 6.  So, then the C's pick Embiid, and trade him, #17, and Bogans' non-guaranteed deal for Wiggins and Jack who they have been trying to get rid of.  That gives Cleveland nearly $7 million more in cap space this summer to go after Lebron and other help, along with the #17 pick where they could get a rotation quality wing, while still getting the guy they had at the top of their draft board. 

Of course a lot of things have to happen for this to work out, but I think that is the type of thing Danny would be proposing as a possible scenario.

Yeah, this sounds more like Danny.  But I just question the premise: that Danny wants Wiggins over Embiid.  Embiid seems tailor made for our team, and what it lacks.

Well seeing how Chris Johnson is our only guard under contract next year, I think the guard position is just as much a need as the center position...

[Waew]

I think the most likely scenario of the C's getting the top pick is if Cleveland just picks Wiggins, and then Embiid, who Cleveland supposedly really wants, falls to 6.  So, then the C's pick Embiid, and trade him, #17, and Bogans' non-guaranteed deal for Wiggins and Jack who they have been trying to get rid of.  That gives Cleveland nearly $7 million more in cap space this summer to go after Lebron and other help, along with the #17 pick where they could get a rotation quality wing, while still getting the guy they had at the top of their draft board. 

Of course a lot of things have to happen for this to work out, but I think that is the type of thing Danny would be proposing as a possible scenario.

Yeah, this sounds more like Danny.  But I just question the premise: that Danny wants Wiggins over Embiid.  Embiid seems tailor made for our team, and what it lacks.

Well seeing how Chris Johnson is our only guard under contract next year, I think the guard position is just as much a need as the center position...

lol

[LooseCannon]

Well seeing how Chris Johnson is our only guard under contract next year, I think the guard position is just as much a need as the center position...

I count at least three things wrong with this sentence, so I hope this is a joke.

[Eddie20]

Mark Murphy @Murf56  ?
League source says Celts have talked to all five higher teams about trading up. But nothing imminent. Still preparing for picks 6 and 17.

[LooseCannon]

Mark Murphy @Murf56  ?
League source says Celts have talked to all five higher teams about trading up. But nothing imminent. Still preparing for picks 6 and 17.

Possibly posturing to make Saunders believe that Ainge is quite willing to move on to the next deal if Minnesota insists on trying to make him overpay for Love.

[Queensdeep]

Makes sense to hold onto #6, embiid will fall to us (philly can't afford another year with another Nerlen Noels - trust me I live in philly and have seen the sixers play multiple times- they're just god awful now).
Utah has to deal with resigning kantor and Orlando desperately needs a point guard (not to mention that their young GM most likely doesn't have the job security needed to make a gamble on embiid, considering they're one of the weakest teams in the league).

I'f be open to trading #17 to chicago or thunder for their two first draft picks, may throw in a role player like bass, bayless etc as needed. I think 14-30 is all over the place, this draft is deep.