C's Have Talked to Cavs about #1

[tstorey_97]

I insist this is draft week "yak." Nothing more. Ainge is not in the market for 19 year olds.

If Ainge, somehow, got the number one overall? He'd trade the kid for an NBA player.

The only thing Ainge wants is this:

Russell
Cowens
Parish
Garnett


If that means trading the Boston Red Sox to the Cavs for the #1 fine...he'll flip the pick for a center.

Auerbach showed Ainge how to get it done. It is not about 20 year old wingers with freaking upside....unless you are going to trade the 20 year old winger for a veteran guy who can hit a shot at the end of a playoff game or play the kind of defense that gets you to the playoff game.

I'm getting a draft pick headache....stop it, the Celtics hit 27% from the floor in the last 60 seconds of games last year...(I just made that up to support my argument). Give me a break with the "young guys" and "upside" and "just needs some time"...let's win some real games with proven veterans...you know? Like in 2008.

After me now...
Trade da pix....trade da pix....trade da pix

Brooklyn's 2016(?) draft pick? Are they going to tank for the Celtics? It's a sh*&%y  mid round "possible bench player" who needs three years...Trade it now.

Do I sound bitter?

[crownontherocks]

I believe someone said we were offering the 6th,17th, and jeff green, pretty much the same as what were offering for kevin love just green added.  If we did some how land the 1st would we flip it for love or draft wiggins/ parker

Also do you think dannys trying to scare minny saying were moving on for love, and going for the 1st

[winsomme]

Yes, it's Blakely...here's the link:

http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/source-celtics-interested-no-1-pick

This actually makes me pretty angry at Danny. He easily could have tanked harder to get us a better chance at a top pick. He very easily could have released Humphries and Bayless who were unrestricted free agents. That alone could have gotten us a few more losses...

So he chooses not to follow in the tracks of ORL, PHI, and MIL telling us that he's not really crazy about this draft class. And now he's trying to land the #1 pick??? What changed?

Not only did choosing not to tank take us out of the running for Parker and Wiggins, it also is now making it more difficult to make a trade for Love.

At this moment, Danny not tanking harder is looking like a huge mistake.

How could he possibly have tanked harder than PHI? Or MIL?

Start the season with that as the priority (Just like PHI) and make moves during the season with that as the priority (just like PHI, et al)

Many advocated for this all season.

Oh, you mean fire sale all of the talent on the team for pennies on the dollar in a desperate attempt at the #1 pick? Not Ainge's style, never has been.

Didn't work out very well for PHI. They ended up #3, in a draft that's recently turned into a two-horse auction.

I  was answering how Danny could have tanked harder than PHI and MIL . I don't think a fire sale was necessary. IMO if he released Bayless and Humph who  aren't even ours and limited Rondo's pt we would have been more serious tankers.

That's certainly debatable, however. What's not debatable is that Danny didn't tank and stated that he wasn't impressed with the top of this draft.

Now he's struggling to trade for Love and looking to trade up for players he routinely said he wasn't impressed by (a position  supported by his decision to not tank).

Very frustrating for fans who argued for a different course along the way.

 Why didn't Danny realize that Wiggins and Parker were premium prospects? Why didn't Danny realize he was going to need a better pick to pry Love away from Minny?

1. Rondo did not help us win any games at all last season, so lets not use that as an excuse.
2. Danny traded Crawford. Had we kept him, we would have won 3-5 more games.

I think Danny did all he could to tank without making it blatantly obvious that we were tanking. At the end of the day, it all comes down to the ping pong balls.

What's wrong with blatantly tanking?

Plus,  getting the #1 pick is the only good result from tanking.

Let's say we had the #4 pick. Wouldn't we be in a better position to either trade for Love or the #1 pick?

[Smokeeye123]

I don't know if I'm bipolar or am quick to forget how horrible the tanking season was but I'd be fine bottoming out again and becoming the 76ers.

[Rondo9]

Yes, it's Blakely...here's the link:

http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/source-celtics-interested-no-1-pick

This actually makes me pretty angry at Danny. He easily could have tanked harder to get us a better chance at a top pick. He very easily could have released Humphries and Bayless who were unrestricted free agents. That alone could have gotten us a few more losses...

So he chooses not to follow in the tracks of ORL, PHI, and MIL telling us that he's not really crazy about this draft class. And now he's trying to land the #1 pick??? What changed?

Not only did choosing not to tank take us out of the running for Parker and Wiggins, it also is now making it more difficult to make a trade for Love.

At this moment, Danny not tanking harder is looking like a huge mistake.

How could he possibly have tanked harder than PHI? Or MIL?

Start the season with that as the priority (Just like PHI) and make moves during the season with that as the priority (just like PHI, et al)

Many advocated for this all season.

Oh, you mean fire sale all of the talent on the team for pennies on the dollar in a desperate attempt at the #1 pick? Not Ainge's style, never has been.

Didn't work out very well for PHI. They ended up #3, in a draft that's recently turned into a two-horse auction.

I  was answering how Danny could have tanked harder than PHI and MIL . I don't think a fire sale was necessary. IMO if he released Bayless and Humph who  aren't even ours and limited Rondo's pt we would have been more serious tankers.

That's certainly debatable, however. What's not debatable is that Danny didn't tank and stated that he wasn't impressed with the top of this draft.

Now he's struggling to trade for Love and looking to trade up for players he routinely said he wasn't impressed by (a position  supported by his decision to not tank).

Very frustrating for fans who argued for a different course along the way.

 Why didn't Danny realize that Wiggins and Parker were premium prospects? Why didn't Danny realize he was going to need a better pick to pry Love away from Minny?

1. Rondo did not help us win any games at all last season, so lets not use that as an excuse.
2. Danny traded Crawford. Had we kept him, we would have won 3-5 more games.

I think Danny did all he could to tank without making it blatantly obvious that we were tanking. At the end of the day, it all comes down to the ping pong balls.

What's wrong with blatantly tanking?

Plus,  getting the #1 pick is the only good result from tanking.

Let's say we had the #4 pick. Wouldn't we be in a better position to either trade for Love or the #1 pick?

Cleveland won the draft lottery despite having a higher win total than the Celtics. If anything the Celtics had to win games in order to get the number one pick.

[Neurotic Guy]

I insist this is draft week "yak." Nothing more. Ainge is not in the market for 19 year olds.

If Ainge, somehow, got the number one overall? He'd trade the kid for an NBA player.

The only thing Ainge wants is this:

Russell
Cowens
Parish
Garnett


If that means trading the Boston Red Sox to the Cavs for the #1 fine...he'll flip the pick for a center.

Auerbach showed Ainge how to get it done. It is not about 20 year old wingers with freaking upside....unless you are going to trade the 20 year old winger for a veteran guy who can hit a shot at the end of a playoff game or play the kind of defense that gets you to the playoff game.

I'm getting a draft pick headache....stop it, the Celtics hit 27% from the floor in the last 60 seconds of games last year...(I just made that up to support my argument). Give me a break with the "young guys" and "upside" and "just needs some time"...let's win some real games with proven veterans...you know? Like in 2008.

After me now...
Trade da pix....trade da pix....trade da pix

Brooklyn's 2016(?) draft pick? Are they going to tank for the Celtics? It's a sh*&%y  mid round "possible bench player" who needs three years...Trade it now.

Do I sound bitter?

Confused about the Auerbach reference.  He drafted Russell, Havlicek, Cowens, Bird, McHale (the list goes on).  The lesson of Red is to get top talent.  I absolutely think Ainge would trade for the #1 and make the selection if he thinks Wiggins or Parker is franchise player caliber. 

If Cleveland is still high on Embiid (they have the best medical info apparently) then it would be very smart of them to trade down, still giving themselves a great chance to still get him while adding other assetts.

[Smokeeye123]

I'm trying to come up what a trade would be like...

- #6, #8 (Rondo traded to SAC for 8 ), maybe a future first?
- Kelly Olynyk
- Jeff Green

for #1 and Jarret Jack/Alonzo Gee?

Now I would assume the Celtics would want to keep Rondo to help develop Wiggins but I dont see a realistic and respectable offer without trading another decent lotto pick with 6 for the 1st overall

Maybe

#6, 2016 and 2018 nets picks, 2016 celtics pick protected

Olynyk/Green

For #1 and Gee/Jack

[hpantazo]

I believe the suggestion other posters have mentioned that if we trade for the #1 pick, Ainge will use it to trade for Love or Melo.

[BigAlTheFuture]

I'm trying to come up what a trade would be like...

- #6, #8 (Rondo traded to SAC for 8 ), maybe a future first?
- Kelly Olynyk
- Jeff Green

for #1 and Jarret Jack/Alonzo Gee?

Now I would assume the Celtics would want to keep Rondo to help develop Wiggins but I dont see a realistic and respectable offer without trading another decent lotto pick with 6 for the 1st overall

#6, #17, Olynyk or Green, and a future BKN pick is pretty respectable. Then if you want to trade Rondo for a pick, we should keep it.

[cb8883]

I insist this is draft week "yak." Nothing more. Ainge is not in the market for 19 year olds.

If Ainge, somehow, got the number one overall? He'd trade the kid for an NBA player.

The only thing Ainge wants is this:

Russell
Cowens
Parish
Garnett


If that means trading the Boston Red Sox to the Cavs for the #1 fine...he'll flip the pick for a center.

Auerbach showed Ainge how to get it done. It is not about 20 year old wingers with freaking upside....unless you are going to trade the 20 year old winger for a veteran guy who can hit a shot at the end of a playoff game or play the kind of defense that gets you to the playoff game.

I'm getting a draft pick headache....stop it, the Celtics hit 27% from the floor in the last 60 seconds of games last year...(I just made that up to support my argument). Give me a break with the "young guys" and "upside" and "just needs some time"...let's win some real games with proven veterans...you know? Like in 2008.

After me now...
Trade da pix....trade da pix....trade da pix

Brooklyn's 2016(?) draft pick? Are they going to tank for the Celtics? It's a sh*&%y  mid round "possible bench player" who needs three years...Trade it now.

Do I sound bitter?

Confused about the Auerbach reference.  He drafted Russell, Havlicek, Cowens, Bird, McHale (the list goes on).  The lesson of Red is to get top talent.  I absolutely think Ainge would trade for the #1 and make the selection if he thinks Wiggins or Parker is franchise player caliber. 

If Cleveland is still high on Embiid (they have the best medical info apparently) then it would be very smart of them to trade down, still giving themselves a great chance to still get him while adding other assetts.

Exactly! There are no short cuts and Red was the master. He DRAFTED his core. He made a trade or two for guys like DJ and Parish. But he DRAFTED correctly. He was willing to get rid of an all star PG back then for Russell's draft rights as well. Red would have had the guts to blow it all up last year and trade Rondo. Ainge doesn't have what it takes and would have been fired if McHale didn't put KG in his lap.

[PaulAllen]

I believe the suggestion other posters have mentioned that if we trade for the #1 pick, Ainge will use it to trade for Love or Melo.

Melo opted out.. FA cant be traded

[mmmmm]

The article seems to think we would take wiggins over parker

I would, too.  I think Wiggins' upside potential as a 'big SG' is higher than any of the other top players relative to their position.

Though I would not cry if Danny preferred Parker.

[MBunge]

What's wrong with blatantly tanking?

Well, let's look at Philly.

They gutted their team and got Nerlans Noel, a guy who just missed an entire year with a knee injury and might be a bust.  Now, if they're lucky, they might get Wiggins (Jeff Green 2.0), Embiid (Greg Oden 2.0), Parker (aka the black Greg Mcdermott) or Exum (the most can't miss foreign player since Darko Millic).

Oh, yeah.  That's a sure road to Banner 18.

Mike

[crownontherocks]

League source says Celts have talked to all five higher teams about trading up. But nothing imminent. Still preparing for picks 6 and 17.

Mark murphy

[freshinthehouse]

Confused about the Auerbach reference.  He drafted Russell, Havlicek, Cowens, Bird, McHale (the list goes on).  The lesson of Red is to get top talent.

This.  Of the 20 players that have their names/numbers hanging in the rafters, 17 of them were either drafted by the C's or acquired when they were young and unproven.  DJ, Chief, and Don Nelson are the only exceptions to the rule.