Kevin Love.. Yes or No?

[gpap]

No, he will be a front office distraction one way or another.  He wants to go to a contender judging by his desire to move from Minnesota.  Why bring him here?  So, he can complain that the Celtics are not winning 60 games/year.  Please Danny....pass on this player.  He could make your job and Stevens' job a nightmare.

I know huh?.the nerve of a guy who actually wants to do his job and win!

Those freakin' people are something else.

We want guys that want our record to be 0-82.

[joepatsfan]

For those that want to build through the draft, what happens when these players we pick high end just being glorified role players and nothing more?

My fear is, we miss out on Love and then trade Rondo/Green, and build through the draft...

That start right there leaves us with 20 wins. A lot of building to do.

The rookies we draft, unless a generational player, will take 2-4 years to really develop and like I said most likely will peak as role players.

The chances of landing a LBJ or KD is slim and if you don't, at best, we turn into the Pacers where we suck for 4 years then finally have it together only to find out they aren't good enough but overpaid their players and will only get worse. The Pacers built through the draft and they peaked as a semi-finalist.

That's a better case scenario in my head, outside of landing a all-time player, then there's the Bobcats way. Where we draft and draft and draft, use all the picks and they all underachieve or are role players and we have a HUGE road to get back.

Look at all the teams how built through the draft.... OKC, Indy, POR, CHAR, CLEV, WASH, MINN, DEN, UTAH...... Portland has hit consistently in the draft and could be contending by next year but probably not... OKC is on the cusp but also has a generational guy (KD) and a very good PG... Washington is looking up but really... They don't have enough unless Wall turns into a Westbrook or Paul... Indy has a star, George, and rest are role players and they aren't good enough...

The rest are stuck in mediocrity until they strike gold in the draft.

Love and Rondo makes us a winning team while also becoming a decently attractive place to come and be competitive. Also, in a love deal, we aren't losing ALL the picks. So I don't see an issue.

[wiley]

My gut tells me no... though I'll root like hell and I'll admit that next year's team
would be pretty exciting with Love on board.  But I just don't think it's the right
long term move (IF the trade is along the lines we've seen).

My gut tells me Randle could be as good as Love within two years.  Okay, not as good, but danged good.  My gut tells
me Smart could be an amazing difference maker. 
In a normal draft I'd feel differently.  But this draft is better than normal.

I'd rather focus on
a rim protector, whether he comes aboard this year or next, though I'd prefer this.

What would it take to get Dieng from Minny.  Then trade for Hayward and draft Randle.

Rondo, Hayward, Green, Randle, Dieng.  Bench:  Bradley, E. Payton, Wallace, Olynyck Hump, Fav.
Add a PF or center stud from next year's lottery. 

Or since the Rondo trashing, demeaning, under appreciating, and general disdain gets really tiresome, trade him to Minny for Rubio and the 13.  Then wait until E. Payton is ready to take over the starting role with Rubio off the bench.  Take Saric or Stauskas at 13.

I would change my tune if I thought we were getting Love AND Melo.  Then I'll be ready to fill out the team with Posey's and Eddie Houses and PJ Browns.  Not as good defense as KG and Pierce but better offense....IT would take a little getting used to though since I'm not a big Melo fan...

[Schiller]

trade him to Minny for Rubio and the 13. 

Oh man, if you're tired of the "Rondo can't shoot" posts...

[wiley]

trade him to Minny for Rubio and the 13. 

Oh man, if you're tired of the "Rondo can't shoot" posts...

yeah haha...as well as the Rondo can't score posts and Rondo can't do this that and the other, and isn't worth much in a trade posts.  At least with Rubio those posts would be more accurate!

[cman88]

I just for the life of me do not understand the fascination of watching a bunch of rookies suck wind and likely not amount to much.  I have no interest in watching a redux of 2006-07, 2013-14, or any of the other miserable seasons of the past.  There is no future in that, and its terrible basketball at it's worst.

Give me a winning team with established vets all day, every day.  If we can get Love (or any other star) to go along with Rondo, you don't blink, you just do the [dang] deal.

EXACTLY, plus alot of people on this board act like if you draft a rookie in the lottery they are a guaranteed all-star or superstar. Sure OKC lucked out(but they havent sniffed a championship yet) but how many OKC' success stories are there out there? There is no guarantee that anyone we draft in the next few years will be anywhere near as good as Rondo or Kevin Love

there are many more teams whom have drafted high in the lottery year after year and havent amounted to anything. Look at the cavs, look at charlotte.

then, if you get your star and the team doesnt get to a championship, your star bolts town just like chris paul, dwight howard, lebron etc. heck cleveland probably will end up losing kyrie irving.

the celtics were fortunate that Paul Pierce stuck with them through the lean years. because most superstars would have just bolted, or demanded to be traded. Danny knows this, its obviously why he is going after love, and who knows, maybe carmelo anthony

Let's look at all the "Stars" assembled on The teams of Houston, OKC, LA Clippers...and who won the title this year?  A group of guys who developed in a system, some of which were high draft pciks that panned out, but mostly guys that just were ballers that knew how to play in the system.

By your own account your suggesting that if we accrue these Stars, that it is necessary for us to win a championship or they bolt.  So let's say we don't..then what?  Again, people think we're gonna do 2007-8 all over again.  It's a different time.  These are differenct caliber of players.  And again, there's no guarantee, any of these "star" we acquire will pan out or even stick around.  I'd say the cahnces are less so with a coach that is trying to develop his own system.

The Spurs landed the #1 pick for a top 5 player of all time.....THAT is why they have been successful so long. sure they have had good management and drafting to put roleplayers around him, but the main key was having incredible luck that year. if your plan is to suck until we draft that player we will be waiting a long time. we lost out on duncan, we lost out on durant, we lost out on the top players in this draft. what is it 6th, 7th, 10th time the charm?

stars win in the NBA

Parker #28, Ginobli #28( second round)- 4 championships, Kawai Leonard #15 pick- championship


Greg oden-#1 pick-) zero championships
Kevin Durnat-#2 pick- zero championships
Carmelo Anthony-#3 pick-0 chmapionships
Dwight Howard-#1 pick-zero championships


The number one pick  means what now?

you conveniently left out Tim Duncan whom is a once in a generation player and was #1 pick. WIthout him, they likely dont have those 4 championships(5 for duncan)

[cltc5]

I just for the life of me do not understand the fascination of watching a bunch of rookies suck wind and likely not amount to much.  I have no interest in watching a redux of 2006-07, 2013-14, or any of the other miserable seasons of the past.  There is no future in that, and its terrible basketball at it's worst.

Give me a winning team with established vets all day, every day.  If we can get Love (or any other star) to go along with Rondo, you don't blink, you just do the [dang] deal.

EXACTLY, plus alot of people on this board act like if you draft a rookie in the lottery they are a guaranteed all-star or superstar. Sure OKC lucked out(but they havent sniffed a championship yet) but how many OKC' success stories are there out there? There is no guarantee that anyone we draft in the next few years will be anywhere near as good as Rondo or Kevin Love

there are many more teams whom have drafted high in the lottery year after year and havent amounted to anything. Look at the cavs, look at charlotte.

then, if you get your star and the team doesnt get to a championship, your star bolts town just like chris paul, dwight howard, lebron etc. heck cleveland probably will end up losing kyrie irving.

the celtics were fortunate that Paul Pierce stuck with them through the lean years. because most superstars would have just bolted, or demanded to be traded. Danny knows this, its obviously why he is going after love, and who knows, maybe carmelo anthony

Let's look at all the "Stars" assembled on The teams of Houston, OKC, LA Clippers...and who won the title this year?  A group of guys who developed in a system, some of which were high draft pciks that panned out, but mostly guys that just were ballers that knew how to play in the system.

By your own account your suggesting that if we accrue these Stars, that it is necessary for us to win a championship or they bolt.  So let's say we don't..then what?  Again, people think we're gonna do 2007-8 all over again.  It's a different time.  These are differenct caliber of players.  And again, there's no guarantee, any of these "star" we acquire will pan out or even stick around.  I'd say the cahnces are less so with a coach that is trying to develop his own system.

The Spurs landed the #1 pick for a top 5 player of all time.....THAT is why they have been successful so long. sure they have had good management and drafting to put roleplayers around him, but the main key was having incredible luck that year. if your plan is to suck until we draft that player we will be waiting a long time. we lost out on duncan, we lost out on durant, we lost out on the top players in this draft. what is it 6th, 7th, 10th time the charm?

stars win in the NBA

Parker #28, Ginobli #28( second round)- 4 championships, Kawai Leonard #15 pick- championship


Greg oden-#1 pick-) zero championships
Kevin Durnat-#2 pick- zero championships
Carmelo Anthony-#3 pick-0 chmapionships
Dwight Howard-#1 pick-zero championships


The number one pick  means what now?

you conveniently left out Tim Duncan whom is a once in a generation player and was #1 pick. WIthout him, they likely dont have those 4 championships(5 for duncan)

No, I was countering your argument for Tim Duncan.  And there's no way Tim Duncan is that big of a difference maker without the other aforementioned guys

[Alleyoopster]

No, he will be a front office distraction one way or another.  He wants to go to a contender judging by his desire to move from Minnesota.  Why bring him here?  So, he can complain that the Celtics are not winning 60 games/year.  Please Danny....pass on this player.  He could make your job and Stevens' job a nightmare.

I know huh?.the nerve of a guy who actually wants to do his job and win!

Those freakin' people are something else.

We want guys that want our record to be 0-82.

No, he doesn't want to just win.  He wants to be on a contending team. And, that isn't going to happen in Boston for some time with or without him.  Do you think he will want to sign with the Celtics after the end of next season when we have to trade our best assets to get him? 

[Celtics4ever]

No, he doesn't want to just win.  He wants to be on a contending team

Great players make their teams contending or winning teams.   They might not win it all but they can will a team to the playoffs usually.

[Section301]

Guys, we're arguing flavors of suck here.  The pro - Love camp argues that waiting on the draft leads to mediocrity.  The anti-Love camp argues that it won't be enough to win it all.  You're all right. 

Face it, all roads lead to mediocrity unless we land a once in a generation talent.  Love is not a once in a generation talent.  If he were, there'd be no argument about whether we want him or not. 

So really this argument boils down to: do you want to suck with rookies while you wait or be middle of the pack with veterans while you wait. 

And what are we waiting for?  Luck, basically.  Luck that leads to our first rounders (or the ones we get from the Nets) materializing into a franchise-changing player.   We might get a lucky bounce like Cleveland did and leapfrog to a #1 pick.   But for the record, we can increase the odds of our first rounders being in position to get a good pick by choosing the "suck with rookies" option. 

[SHAQATTACK]

No love for Celtics

Then ....Vonleh is,the right pick

He is the best BiG man left after Parker .

[Smokeeye123]

No, I was countering your argument for Tim Duncan. And there's no way Tim Duncan is that big of a difference maker without the other aforementioned guys

LOL!!

Yeah and Lebron James isn't a difference maker without Norris Cole.

[knuckleballer]

If Embiid falls to 6, I forget Love, gamble on Embiid, and go full rebuild.  If he doesn't fall, I trade a lot of draft picks for Love.

[Greenback]

Kevin Love, yes please.  He played like an MVP last year.

Rondo and Melo?  No thank you!  One player pounding the ball waiting for assists by passing to the other player who takes all the shots for the team - neither one playing defense!  Both would have good stats though.  What a losing prospect!