Why won't Olynyk or Sullinger be traded for picks?

[NorthernLightning]

Historically, the biggest leap in development is between the rookie and sophomore year, so Celtics brass is undoubtedly expecting much more like late season Olynyk than still getting his feet wet Nov-Dec Olynyk.

Now that KO is much more comfortable and confident than he was as a wide eyed rookie last November, and now that he has had a full offseason to get stronger and practice Exactly what he knows he needs to, it shouldn't surprise anybody if he comes out of the gate averaging 16-18 ppg this November if he can earn big minutes.

Sully's sophomore year jump was noticeable, but obviously coming off the back injury and not being able to train at all last summer slowed him down a bit. It wouldn't be surprising to see him come out this year and average 16-17 ppg and 11 rebounds if he can stay on the court for 30+ minutes.

These are two legit talents, and if you still can't see it have fun with your trade machine and video games.

[colincb]

KO was hurt in Nov and Dec.

[greg683x]

Would you guys do Sully for Julius Randle, lets say Randle falls to 7-9. Or do you think the other teams would not do it?

before his foot problem came out my answer would be a definite no.  I still say no, but now Im not nearly as sure.

Its been a bad week for the lottery big men in this draft

So no to the trade or no to the other team accepting?

No for the other team accepting.

[CeltsAcumen]

Because a bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush...

Please do not fall for the "this draft is the best ever" rhetoric.  Nobody truly knows how good any of these players will be.   Ask Portland if they want Greg Odom or Durant?  Crap shoot.

Sully and Olynyk were steals at their slot and both will contribute on any NBA team.  Trading them for the idea of what Wiggins or Exum COULD BE, is not smart GMin .

Now if Cleveland wants to give the Celts the #1 pick for either, sure the odds might change in your favor since you can evaluate all the players and choose one who can contribute asap, but to say that Nick Stauskas from Michigan at #13 is a better prospect than Sully and Olynyk is far more risky than staying put with what you got. 

So no I would not trade either for the 13th pick and I do not think Danny A. will fall for the fools good in the draft v. two guys who contribute right now.

I cannot name three guys better than Sully right now or when Sully played for Ohio State in this draft.  Remember Sully dominated college basketball when he was there.  He is not a slouch and would of given Wiggins real problems if they matched up.  In fact Wiggins could not guard Sully, Sully would eat him up in the post.

I am starting to believe that this draft turns out to be a huge bust.  Sure there are some good players and maybe a few stars could come out, but with the injury news, players who have been untested and all young players littering this draft, there is just as much speculation as fact.

Would you trade draft picks for Kevin Love?  If yes, why, this draft should bring in 10 Kevin Love type players according to the know-it-alls in BBall.  According to the pundits everyone should dump all their players not named Duncan, James and Paul for any player drafted in this lottery.  Hype not facts.

NBA tested v. prospects.

[Celtics4ever]

He was a 13th pick in a bad draft. It stands to reason he might move to 10 in a good one.

Wouldn't work the opposite and he would be picked lower in the good one.


Because we don't want a second round pick would be my answer.   I don't think other teams are as high on Sully or Oly as we are.   I did hear that Olynyk was liked by MIN.   

[colincb]

He was a 13th pick in a bad draft. It stands to reason he might move to 10 in a good one.

Wouldn't work the opposite and he would be picked lower in the good one.


Because we don't want a second round pick would be my answer.   I don't think other teams are as high on Sully or Oly as we are.   I did hear that Olynyk was liked by MIN.

Flip Saunders traded down from 9 to 14 +21 last year supposedly thinking he could get KO there.  Danny moved up from 16 to 13 at the cost of two 2nds and snatched KO away.  Another reason for Minn to not want to deal with us.  They did get Dieng at 21, so they did well enough.  My sources are a number of internet GMs from a T-Ws forum. Seems to be widely accepted story there FWIW. 

[D.o.s.]

He was a 13th pick in a bad draft. It stands to reason he might move to 10 in a good one.

Wouldn't work the opposite and he would be picked lower in the good one.


Because we don't want a second round pick would be my answer.   I don't think other teams are as high on Sully or Oly as we are.   I did hear that Olynyk was liked by MIN.

I don't think anyone thought that Olynyk's game would adjust as well to the NBA as it did -- so while he went 13th in 2013, I could see him going 10th in this draft assuming the benefit of hindsight.

[Celtics18]

He was a 13th pick in a bad draft. It stands to reason he might move to 10 in a good one.

Wouldn't work the opposite and he would be picked lower in the good one.


Because we don't want a second round pick would be my answer.   I don't think other teams are as high on Sully or Oly as we are.   I did hear that Olynyk was liked by MIN.

I don't think anyone thought that Olynyk's game would adjust as well to the NBA as it did -- so while he went 13th in 2013, I could see him going 10th in this draft assuming the benefit of hindsight.

I think it's safe to assume that Danny thought it would. 

[NorthernLightning]

It's safe to assume that a few teams with top 12 picks last year, and Dallas who traded away the 13th pick, are kicking themselves.

[HeadDoctorJ]

If we could trade Sully for pick #8 from SAC (or pick #9 from CHA?), I'd do it in a second. I think Smart and Saric have much higher ceilings than Sully, and their floors are quite high as well. I'd rather have Olynyk as my PF moving forward. I'm not sure Sully develops beyond a role player or a passable starter. He's got loads of talent, but he's short, slow, poorly conditioned, plays well below the rim, and has back trouble that could resurface any day, especially getting knocked around nightly by dudes bigger and stronger than him. I'd trade Sully now, since he might not get much more attractive than this: coming off a solid, improved (and healthy!) season, with two years left on his rookie deal. Smart or Saric could be legit starters very soon, maybe even All-Stars. Then I'd trade picks 6, 17, and 2015 Clips to move up for either Exum or Parker. (If Gordon slipped to 8 in this scenario, I'd take him over Smart & Saric.)

So, give up: Sully, picks 6 & 17, 2015 Clips
Take home: Parker/Exum & Gordon/Smart/Saric

Just not sure SAC or CHA would go for that initial deal for Sully, as it would be (in my eyes) a steal for the C's.

[Celtics4ever]

I would not be so sure about Saric being better than Sully.  In fact, although I have no trouble moving Sully but would be willing to bet that Saric won't average 15 PPG and  8 RPG right away.  Sully would probably average 20 and 10 in the league Saric plays in.  They play no D.  Saric is going to be a  liability on D.  He lacks lateral foot speed.  If we do the trade and get the number 9 pick,  I would hope McDermott drops or get Stauskas.  Both are better shooters than Saric and I would bet more athletic. 

[HeadDoctorJ]

You might be right, Saric could turn into the next Illyasova: a bean pole of disappointing "potential." Or, he could bulk up a little, continue to improve his team D, and let Stevens put him in position to optimize his height advantage(s) and high motor. On O, I think Saric has a higher ceiling than Sully. I'm no expert, but from what I've read and seen, it seems like he would be a great fit with the C's motion offense, in terms of his passing, his work ethic, his shooting, and his handle. If Sully's ceiling is (as I think) a passable starter or solid role player, then it seems Saric's floor is relatively near Sully's ceiling. Saric's upside is in the All-Star range, and he does not have a history of back issues. I think his versatility and upside make him worth the risk of giving up Sully. In fact, due to Sully's back, keeping him might be even riskier than trading him for Saric.

McDermott seems to me like a Kyle Korver type. I'm not too excited about him. He flashed some unexpected athleticism at the combine/workouts, though from the tape I've seen, he doesn't use it in games. He gets blown by and dunked over on D (by college dudes, not NBA dudes). His O would be sick to have, though. I just wonder how much he could rely on his driving ability in the NBA, as unexplosive and unathletic as he moves. That said, I wouldn't mind him on the C's, just seems like Saric has a lot more potential, and again, his floor might be not too far from McDermott's ceiling.

[D.o.s.]

He was a 13th pick in a bad draft. It stands to reason he might move to 10 in a good one.

Wouldn't work the opposite and he would be picked lower in the good one.


Because we don't want a second round pick would be my answer.   I don't think other teams are as high on Sully or Oly as we are.   I did hear that Olynyk was liked by MIN.

I don't think anyone thought that Olynyk's game would adjust as well to the NBA as it did -- so while he went 13th in 2013, I could see him going 10th in this draft assuming the benefit of hindsight.

I think it's safe to assume that Danny thought it would.

Ainge thought Triple-J might adjust to the NBA, too.

[Celtics18]

He was a 13th pick in a bad draft. It stands to reason he might move to 10 in a good one.

Wouldn't work the opposite and he would be picked lower in the good one.


Because we don't want a second round pick would be my answer.   I don't think other teams are as high on Sully or Oly as we are.   I did hear that Olynyk was liked by MIN.

I don't think anyone thought that Olynyk's game would adjust as well to the NBA as it did -- so while he went 13th in 2013, I could see him going 10th in this draft assuming the benefit of hindsight.

I think it's safe to assume that Danny thought it would.

Ainge thought Triple-J might adjust to the NBA, too.

Danny and I both made that mistake.

[SHAQATTACK]

I suppose they could.

But I tend to think they are more likely to be trade fodder packaged  to acquire a proven star.