Dan Gilbert to go after Love even w/ no commitment in hopes of luring LeBron

[Moranis]

Hope it happens bc we have no chance at love then

To wolves:  1st,  thompson,  waiters, gee, hopson
To cavs: love, 13th pick

I don't see Cleveland giving up that much for a one year rental of Love.

[MBunge]

I guess LMA TSP is like 70 percent than.

I believe your binky's TS% this past season was 50.7%, significantly worse than Love's.

And should we make a list of the players we don't want under the "Love Rules".

DeMarcus Cousins.
Kyrie Irving.
Derrick Favors.
Gordon Hayward.
Larry Sanders.
Nikola Vucivic.

Mike

[Smokeeye123]

Has he helped his team get to the playoffs yet??
Is he a good two way player??
He has shot overall for his career 44 percent (FG). is that good for a premier PF in this league??

He is no different than a guy like Carmelo Anthony.  Even if they make the playoffs, they are not efficient scorers and don't play the kind of defense that can help you win it all

any objections?

(1) No he hasn't helped his team make the playoffs but is that a measure of individual talent? Has Kyrie Irving helped his team make the playoffs? Demarcus Cousins? Andre Drummond? Anthony Davis? I don't blame a player for not carrying a team full of busts and losers to the playoffs.

(2) Yes. His defense is mediocre, but not bad. For comparison Sullinger is decimal points better in defensive real plus minus. For comparison Olynyk is literally bottom three IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE. His Scoring is TOP 4 IN THE ENTIRE NBA and his rebounding is THIRD IN THE ENTIRE NBA. He is an elite rebounder and scorer so factoring those things into your idea of "a good two way player means that yes, he is good.  Also it isn't necessary to be a two way player to be a superstar...Do you see Dwight Howard knocking down three pointers, jumpshots or free throws? No but he is still the best center in the entire NBA.

(3) Read this link, field goal percentage is a joke. Rondo would be elite by your standards. http://deadspin.com/5912397/the-best-shooters-in-the-nba-and-the-tyranny-of-field-goal-percentage

Any more questions?

[Tr1boy]

Has he helped his team get to the playoffs yet??
Is he a good two way player??
He has shot overall for his career 44 percent (FG). is that good for a premier PF in this league??

He is no different than a guy like Carmelo Anthony.  Even if they make the playoffs, they are not efficient scorers and don't play the kind of defense that can help you win it all

any objections?

(1) No he hasn't helped his team make the playoffs but is that a measure of individual talent? Has Kyrie Irving helped his team make the playoffs? Demarcus Cousins? Andre Drummond? Anthony Davis? I don't blame a player for not carrying a team full of busts and losers to the playoffs.

(2) Yes. His defense is mediocre, but not bad. For comparison Sullinger is decimal points better in defensive real plus minus. For comparison Olynyk is literally bottom three IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE. His Scoring is TOP 4 IN THE ENTIRE NBA and his rebounding is THIRD IN THE ENTIRE NBA. He is an elite rebounder and scorer so factoring those things into your idea of "a good two way player means that yes, he is good.  Also it isn't necessary to be a two way player to be a superstar...Do you see Dwight Howard knocking down three pointers, jumpshots or free throws? No but he is still the best center in the entire NBA.

(3) Read this link, field goal percentage is a joke. Rondo would be elite by your standards. http://deadspin.com/5912397/the-best-shooters-in-the-nba-and-the-tyranny-of-field-goal-percentage

Any more questions?

1) are any of those players considered to be elite? Have they helped their team get into the playoffs yet? You see old man Duncan or Nowitzki able to do that?  Nowitzki's mavs have a roster mainly consisting of role players.

2) You stating that Dhoward is the best Center in the league proves to me you don't know how to evaluate a players impact for their team.  Marc Gasol and old man Duncan are better. They might not pull down 20 rebounds but they are so much smarter vs howard .Their Leadership skills is a 10 vs Dhoward who is like a 5

3) FG percentage matters. And yeah outside of this past season Rondo has been considered an efficient scorer.  You don't keep chucking shots like KL does.  Instead of shooting he could drive in or post up. Or pass the ball to the open player.  KL and Carmlo Anthony could be a little more unselfish on a consistent basis which would make their teams better. 

Love doesn't dive for balls, takes many chages, doesn't end defensive plays with contesting shots.   He will stop defending half way though to potentially get a rebound.

We will never agree about Love's worth, but if you think this guy is going to get you anywhere significant with the type of money he will demand then you will be disappointed. If we get him we will see who is right

[bruinsandceltics]

Has he helped his team get to the playoffs yet??
Is he a good two way player??
He has shot overall for his career 44 percent (FG). is that good for a premier PF in this league??

He is no different than a guy like Carmelo Anthony.  Even if they make the playoffs, they are not efficient scorers and don't play the kind of defense that can help you win it all

any objections?

(1) No he hasn't helped his team make the playoffs but is that a measure of individual talent? Has Kyrie Irving helped his team make the playoffs? Demarcus Cousins? Andre Drummond? Anthony Davis? I don't blame a player for not carrying a team full of busts and losers to the playoffs.

(2) Yes. His defense is mediocre, but not bad. For comparison Sullinger is decimal points better in defensive real plus minus. For comparison Olynyk is literally bottom three IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE. His Scoring is TOP 4 IN THE ENTIRE NBA and his rebounding is THIRD IN THE ENTIRE NBA. He is an elite rebounder and scorer so factoring those things into your idea of "a good two way player means that yes, he is good.  Also it isn't necessary to be a two way player to be a superstar...Do you see Dwight Howard knocking down three pointers, jumpshots or free throws? No but he is still the best center in the entire NBA.

(3) Read this link, field goal percentage is a joke. Rondo would be elite by your standards. http://deadspin.com/5912397/the-best-shooters-in-the-nba-and-the-tyranny-of-field-goal-percentage

Any more questions?

1) are any of those players considered to be elite? Have they helped their team get into the playoffs yet? You see old man Duncan or Nowitzki able to do that?  Nowitzki's mavs have a roster mainly consisting of role players.

2) You stating that Dhoward is the best Center in the league proves to me you don't know how to evaluate a players impact for their team.  Marc Gasol and old man Duncan are better. They might not pull down 20 rebounds but they are so much smarter vs howard .Their Leadership skills is a 10 vs Dhoward who is like a 5

3) FG percentage matters. And yeah outside of this past season Rondo has been considered an efficient scorer.  You don't keep chucking shots like KL does.  Instead of shooting he could drive in or post up. Or pass the ball to the open player.  KL and Carmlo Anthony could be a little more unselfish on a consistent basis which would make their teams better. 

Love doesn't dive for balls, takes many chages, doesn't end defensive plays with contesting shots.   He will stop defending half way though to potentially get a rebound.

We will never agree about Love's worth, but if you think this guy is going to get you anywhere significant with the type of money he will demand then you will be disappointed. If we get him we will see who is right

All those players mentioned there are about 10 times better than the two players you are advocating keeping over Kevin Love...then again you are making this crap up as we go so these points really are irrelevant.

[footey]

Lebron is not going back to Cleveland, except to visit, and maybe get a haircut.

Who would you rather have on your team: Joel Embiid, under a long term rookie contract, or Kevin Love, one year away from being an unrestricted FA?

If Love is unhappy in Minny, think he will be happy in Cleveland?

[Celtics18]

Here's a crazy thought:

Has anyone actually seen a direct quote from Kevin Love saying he won't stay in Minnesota?  Maybe this whole rumor was started by the Wolves organization to see which team will offer up the best deal for Love.

If they can get the number one pick for him, Flip wins. 

[Fafnir]

Here's a crazy thought:

Has anyone actually seen a direct quote from Kevin Love saying he won't stay in Minnesota?  Maybe this whole rumor was started by the Wolves organization to see which team will offer up the best deal for Love.

If they can get the number one pick for him, Flip wins.

Reporters have directly talked to his agent and camp and its been confirmed.

Kevin Love cannot directly request a trade that's against the CBA. Also if he publicly states he'll opt out and not resign with the Wolves its a much worse PR hit than whats happening now.

[saltlover]

Here's a crazy thought:

Has anyone actually seen a direct quote from Kevin Love saying he won't stay in Minnesota?  Maybe this whole rumor was started by the Wolves organization to see which team will offer up the best deal for Love.

If they can get the number one pick for him, Flip wins.

There's no need for him to make a direct quote.  If he wanted to stop the rumors, he could very easily make a direct quote saying he wants to stay in Minnesota.,  In the least, he wouldn't fly to Boston for a photo op with Rondo at a Sox game.

It's a pretty crazy thought that Love wouldn't want out of Minnesota.  Here's a nice article from 18 months ago that foresees where we are today:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--kevin-love-remains-unsure-about-timberwolves--future-200009299.html

Here's a quote from back then.  Love doesn't need to say anything else.

"I have a very, very good memory, and I always remember the people who have done right by me, and the people who have done wrong by me," he says. "It will be embedded in my brain, and something I won't forget about. There's no telling what will happen. I would love to compete for a championship in Minnesota, but ..."

[TheFlex]

Has he helped his team get to the playoffs yet??
Is he a good two way player??
He has shot overall for his career 44 percent (FG). is that good for a premier PF in this league??

He is no different than a guy like Carmelo Anthony.  Even if they make the playoffs, they are not efficient scorers and don't play the kind of defense that can help you win it all

any objections?

(1) No he hasn't helped his team make the playoffs but is that a measure of individual talent? Has Kyrie Irving helped his team make the playoffs? Demarcus Cousins? Andre Drummond? Anthony Davis? I don't blame a player for not carrying a team full of busts and losers to the playoffs.

(2) Yes. His defense is mediocre, but not bad. For comparison Sullinger is decimal points better in defensive real plus minus. For comparison Olynyk is literally bottom three IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE. His Scoring is TOP 4 IN THE ENTIRE NBA and his rebounding is THIRD IN THE ENTIRE NBA. He is an elite rebounder and scorer so factoring those things into your idea of "a good two way player means that yes, he is good.  Also it isn't necessary to be a two way player to be a superstar...Do you see Dwight Howard knocking down three pointers, jumpshots or free throws? No but he is still the best center in the entire NBA.

(3) Read this link, field goal percentage is a joke. Rondo would be elite by your standards. http://deadspin.com/5912397/the-best-shooters-in-the-nba-and-the-tyranny-of-field-goal-percentage

Any more questions?

1) are any of those players considered to be elite? Have they helped their team get into the playoffs yet? You see old man Duncan or Nowitzki able to do that?  Nowitzki's mavs have a roster mainly consisting of role players.

2) You stating that Dhoward is the best Center in the league proves to me you don't know how to evaluate a players impact for their team.  Marc Gasol and old man Duncan are better. They might not pull down 20 rebounds but they are so much smarter vs howard .Their Leadership skills is a 10 vs Dhoward who is like a 5

3) FG percentage matters. And yeah outside of this past season Rondo has been considered an efficient scorer.  You don't keep chucking shots like KL does.  Instead of shooting he could drive in or post up. Or pass the ball to the open player.  KL and Carmlo Anthony could be a little more unselfish on a consistent basis which would make their teams better. 

Love doesn't dive for balls, takes many chages, doesn't end defensive plays with contesting shots.   He will stop defending half way though to potentially get a rebound.

We will never agree about Love's worth, but if you think this guy is going to get you anywhere significant with the type of money he will demand then you will be disappointed. If we get him we will see who is right

You suggest that M. Gasol is a top 2 center in the game yet don't identify him as a class A player?

Kevin Love is top 3 in total win shares (top 4 in win shares/48 minutes, top 3 in offensive win shares, top 8 in offensive rating). His season highs in ORB%, DRB% (available offensive and defensive rebounds grabbed by a player while active on the floor), and TS% (already explained) top the season highs in ORB%/DRB%/TS% of both Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan. If Kelly Olynyk, Jabari Parker and LMA can learn to be good team defenders, so can the highly intelligent/driven Kevin Love. And to sweeten the pot, Love possesses an interest in the Cs primarily motivated by two things: a team moving in the right direction (amiable star already present, accountable FO in place), and a respect for the history of the franchise.

There's an argument to be made for not overpaying in any Love exchange. But it's entirely different to suggest Love isn't worth the hype in general. He's an exceptional player who is widely considered to have MVP potential. There aren't any MVP candidates that I know of who would hurt Boston's chances of assembling the city's next great team.

[BballTim]

Hope it happens bc we have no chance at love then

To wolves:  1st,  thompson,  waiters, gee, hopson
To cavs: love, 13th pick

I guess this begs the question: it sounds like you would rather us draft Aaron Gordon than acquire Kevin Love? Is that accurate?

I think its fair to say triboy would rather have a lineup of

Marcus Smart
Nik Stauskas
Aaron Gordon
Kelly Olynyk
Josef Nurkic

than

Rajon Rondo
Arron Afflalo
Jeff Green
Levin Love
Marc Gasol

not that these lineups are remotely realistic but triboys's love for youth seriously clouds his ability to judge what type of team can actually win in the NBA.

sure and you think having two B class players that want max money will win us a championship?

the 2nd lineup you suggest will never happen anyways

How is Kevin Love a B class player?

Has he helped his team get to the playoffs yet??
Is he a good two way player??
He has shot overall for his career 44 percent (FG). is that good for a premier PF in this league??

He is no different than a guy like Carmelo Anthony.  Even if they make the playoffs, they are not efficient scorers and don't play the kind of defense that can help you win it all

  Kevin Love is an efficient scorer. You don't realize this because you don't measure efficient scoring with fg%.

[LarBrd33]

Hope it happens bc we have no chance at love then

To wolves:  1st,  thompson,  waiters, gee, hopson
To cavs: love, 13th pick

I guess this begs the question: it sounds like you would rather us draft Aaron Gordon than acquire Kevin Love? Is that accurate?

I think its fair to say triboy would rather have a lineup of

Marcus Smart
Nik Stauskas
Aaron Gordon
Kelly Olynyk
Josef Nurkic

than

Rajon Rondo
Arron Afflalo
Jeff Green
Levin Love
Marc Gasol

not that these lineups are remotely realistic but triboys's love for youth seriously clouds his ability to judge what type of team can actually win in the NBA.

sure and you think having two B class players that want max money will win us a championship?

the 2nd lineup you suggest will never happen anyways

How is Kevin Love a B class player?

Has he helped his team get to the playoffs yet??
Is he a good two way player??
He has shot overall for his career 44 percent (FG). is that good for a premier PF in this league??

He is no different than a guy like Carmelo Anthony.  Even if they make the playoffs, they are not efficient scorers and don't play the kind of defense that can help you win it all

  Kevin Love is an efficient scorer. You don't realize this because you don't measure efficient scoring with fg%.

Agreed... Love's career numbers of 19 points on 45%/36%/82% shooting is on a par with Paul Pierce. 

[wdleehi]

Has he helped his team get to the playoffs yet??
Is he a good two way player??
He has shot overall for his career 44 percent (FG). is that good for a premier PF in this league??

He is no different than a guy like Carmelo Anthony.  Even if they make the playoffs, they are not efficient scorers and don't play the kind of defense that can help you win it all

any objections?

No.

Carmelo Anthony when surrounded with talent made it to the Western Conference finals.  Now that he is with the terrible run Knicks, he has little talent around him and he misses the playoffs.


Love has never really had talent around him.  He had big Al, but they were not a great fit. 


So, yes, I want Love and his premier stretch PF shooting percentage and put the talent around him he has never had because Boston has a GM who actually knows how to build talent around a player vs. the T-wolves super mess. 

[cman88]

You would think that after the big-3 era people would understand that it takes severall all-star calibar players to compete.

the fact that Love hasn't been able to bring his team to the playoffs with a horrible roster in the stacked west shouldnt be anything to hold against him. I would trust danny being able to put a competitive team together with the right players around love than the timberwolves

[gpap]

You would think that after the big-3 era people would understand that it takes severall all-star calibar players to compete.

the fact that Love hasn't been able to bring his team to the playoffs with a horrible roster in the stacked west shouldnt be anything to hold against him. I would trust danny being able to put a competitive team together with the right players around love than the timberwolves

You would think.....