Seriously overrating our players

[droopdog7]

Seriously, can people stop posting numbers as if they really help you compare players.  Numbers aside, Gibson is considerably better than sully right now.  And big Al was a much better prospect than sully is right now. 

Period.

[Rondo9]

Seriously, can people stop posting numbers as if they really help you compare players.  Numbers aside, Gibson is considerably better than sully right now.  And big Al was a much better prospect than sully is right now. 

Period.

The stats help comparing players especially when the numbers are close. While I'll concede that Gibson is the better player due to his defense, Sullinger has the higher upside and has plenty of room to improve. Also Sullinger has all the tools to be a double double threat and was projected to be a top five pick in the 2012 draft.

[byennie]

Seriously, can people stop posting numbers as if they really help you compare players.  Numbers aside, Gibson is considerably better than sully right now.  And big Al was a much better prospect than sully is right now. 

Period.

Yeah, screw evidence. The perception and memory of fans is always more reliable...

[BballTim]

Seriously, can people stop posting numbers as if they really help you compare players.  Numbers aside, Gibson is considerably better than sully right now.  And big Al was a much better prospect than sully is right now. 

Period.

Yeah, screw evidence. The perception and memory of fans is always more reliable...

  Memory in this case is great as well. I spent most of the 2006 summer arguing with people who wanted to unload Al for whatever they could get because he had "glass ankels" and his lackluster summer league play was proof he'd never amount to much in the nba. A number of people were convinced he'd never be able to start ahead of Ryan Gomes. Now, of course, "everyone knew he was a great prospect". A few years from now we'll hear that everyone thought that Avery Bradley would have a decent nba career.

[droopdog7]

Seriously, can people stop posting numbers as if they really help you compare players.  Numbers aside, Gibson is considerably better than sully right now.  And big Al was a much better prospect than sully is right now. 

Period.

Yeah, screw evidence. The perception and memory of fans is always more reliable...

This is the NBA.  Everyone can play.  So even on bad teams, someone has to score and get rebounds.  You numbers say as much about your teammates as they do about you.

[Rondo9]

Seriously, can people stop posting numbers as if they really help you compare players.  Numbers aside, Gibson is considerably better than sully right now.  And big Al was a much better prospect than sully is right now. 

Period.

Yeah, screw evidence. The perception and memory of fans is always more reliable...

This is the NBA.  Everyone can play.  So even on bad teams, someone has to score and get rebounds.  You numbers say as much about your teammates as they do about you.

So what are you saying? That Sullinger isn't that good of a player than the numbers suggest, because he played for a bad team?

[droopdog7]

Seriously, can people stop posting numbers as if they really help you compare players.  Numbers aside, Gibson is considerably better than sully right now.  And big Al was a much better prospect than sully is right now. 

Period.

Yeah, screw evidence. The perception and memory of fans is always more reliable...

This is the NBA.  Everyone can play.  So even on bad teams, someone has to score and get rebounds.  You numbers say as much about your teammates as they do about you.

So what are you saying? That Sullinger isn't that good of a player than the numbers suggest, because he played for a bad team?

I am saying in most cases, you can't take the numbers from two players in different situations and compare them.  I mean, you can but it obviously isn't that simple. 

Sully's numbers are decent.  But people want to look at them, at this stage of his career, and make some kind of linear projection without regard to his talent.  And as far as talent, I simply see role player.  Not a horrible thing but not what many others are saying either.

[Rondo9]

Seriously, can people stop posting numbers as if they really help you compare players.  Numbers aside, Gibson is considerably better than sully right now.  And big Al was a much better prospect than sully is right now. 

Period.

Yeah, screw evidence. The perception and memory of fans is always more reliable...

This is the NBA.  Everyone can play.  So even on bad teams, someone has to score and get rebounds.  You numbers say as much about your teammates as they do about you.

So what are you saying? That Sullinger isn't that good of a player than the numbers suggest, because he played for a bad team?

I am saying in most cases, you can't take the numbers from two players in different situations and compare them.  I mean, you can but it obviously isn't that simple. 

Sully's numbers are decent.  But people want to look at them, at this stage of his career, and make some kind of linear projection without regard to his talent.  And as far as talent, I simply see role player.  Not a horrible thing but not what many others are saying either.

That's what you see, the same can't be said to other GM's Sullinger improved his numbers this year and he should be poised to make a leap if he stays healthy.

[aporel#18]

Overrated or not, I wouldn't trade the farm for Avi Lee with a 3-point shot, that is Kevin Love.

If he's the 2014 Ray, I hope Danny has a KG in the works.

[byennie]

Seriously, can people stop posting numbers as if they really help you compare players.  Numbers aside, Gibson is considerably better than sully right now.  And big Al was a much better prospect than sully is right now. 

Period.

Yeah, screw evidence. The perception and memory of fans is always more reliable...

This is the NBA.  Everyone can play.  So even on bad teams, someone has to score and get rebounds.  You numbers say as much about your teammates as they do about you.

So what are you saying? That Sullinger isn't that good of a player than the numbers suggest, because he played for a bad team?

I am saying in most cases, you can't take the numbers from two players in different situations and compare them.  I mean, you can but it obviously isn't that simple. 

Sully's numbers are decent.  But people want to look at them, at this stage of his career, and make some kind of linear projection without regard to his talent.  And as far as talent, I simply see role player.  Not a horrible thing but not what many others are saying either.

21 year old players who put up 13 & 8 in 27 minutes project very well, regardless of the team. You're making a bit of a tail wagging the dog argument here. He's still stepping on an NBA court, at a very young age, with plenty of attention from the opposing team, and producing. Taj Gibson, in his 5th year, was arguably better than Sully in his 2nd, by a small margin. Yes he played on a better team, but he also played against the other team's bench and got next to no attention from opposing defenses. It cuts both ways.

[byennie]

Overrated or not, I wouldn't trade the farm for Avi Lee with a 3-point shot, that is Kevin Love.

If he's the 2014 Ray, I hope Danny has a KG in the works.

This is the stuff that blows my mind. 26, 13 and 4 with 60% TS. And we're all wound up that he better be the 3rd fiddle on this team? Stats are occasionally overrated, but they're not voodoo. Those are unbelievable numbers and there aren't 5 players in the entire league that could produce them on ANY team. Points, rebounds, and assists do help teams win games.

[D.o.s.]

Overrated or not, I wouldn't trade the farm for Avi Lee with a 3-point shot, that is Kevin Love.

If he's the 2014 Ray, I hope Danny has a KG in the works.

This is the stuff that blows my mind. 26, 13 and 4 with 60% TS. And we're all wound up that he better be the 3rd fiddle on this team? Stats are occasionally overrated, but they're not voodoo. Those are unbelievable numbers and there aren't 5 players in the entire league that could produce them on ANY team. Points, rebounds, and assists do help teams win games.

That doesn't read as Allen as third fiddle, rather Allen as first shoe of two.

[aingeforthree]

Seriously, can people stop posting numbers as if they really help you compare players.  Numbers aside, Gibson is considerably better than sully right now.  And big Al was a much better prospect than sully is right now. 

Period.

The entire package has to be compared, not just one player to the other.

[aporel#18]

Overrated or not, I wouldn't trade the farm for Avi Lee with a 3-point shot, that is Kevin Love.

If he's the 2014 Ray, I hope Danny has a KG in the works.

This is the stuff that blows my mind. 26, 13 and 4 with 60% TS. And we're all wound up that he better be the 3rd fiddle on this team? Stats are occasionally overrated, but they're not voodoo. Those are unbelievable numbers and there aren't 5 players in the entire league that could produce them on ANY team. Points, rebounds, and assists do help teams win games.

That doesn't read as Allen as third fiddle, rather Allen as first shoe of two.

I'm not comparing them. Every player is different, but Allen, like Love would, added offense to the 2007-2008 Celtics, a legitimate offensive threat. That wins games, but you need a guy that can make other defenses respect him, while giving you something extra on D, just like KG did. Who would be that? Not Melo, not Asik. That's why I think DA should focus on getting that two-way big who can affect games on D.

Offense wins games, but we want #18.

[cman88]

not trading for Kevin Love because he isnt garnett is pretty shortsighted. There arent many players like Garnett.

BUT, kevin love is a guy who averges 25ppg and 12rpg and is an allstar. you already have an all-star in Rondo, why wouldnt you add Kevin Love? then that possibly brings another all-star to the team