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Seriously overrating our players
« on: June 06, 2014, 11:00:49 PM »

Offline AciEarl22

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There's nothing better than NBA hot stove, and its nice that the Cs have some great assets to bring to the table.  However, in reading a lot of trade proposals, I find that we really tend to overrate our own players. 
I'm a fellow green teamer, don't get me wrong, but we all need to be a little more objective in regards to our own guys value.  My biggest issue is with Sullinger.  While he is a nice player, I find it laughable to think that he is really a valuable "chip" is DA's arsenal.  Maybe it's because we got him so late in his draft class, but to think an overweight 22 year old with a history of back problems is a highly coveted asset is ridiculous.
I'd be curious to see how fans from other teams perceive this player.  I think we all know our biggest chips are the 1st round picks in this draft, and in the years to come.  Lets start to be more honest with ourselves.
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Re: Seriously overrating our players
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2014, 11:04:06 PM »

Offline DarkAzcura

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Happens with every fan base. I think Celtics fans are generally good at judging the value of their players. Most other fans don't see the value in Sullinger, but I don't see how that is important. No one is watching a 25 win Celtics team but us Celtic fans. They have no idea how good or bad he is. When discussing the Love trade, C's fans talk more about the picks we can offer rather than the player anyway.

You should check out Chicago, Houston, and GSW fans. They are completely overrating their role player assets just because they had 50 win seasons. Similar thing happened in 2007 with Chicago's offer for KG.
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Re: Seriously overrating our players
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2014, 11:06:59 PM »

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I think we underrate these guys, which is why they are all thrown into trade proposals together so casually.

Sully didn't have an offseason because he was recovering from back surgery, and then he was playing out of position at center most of the time.

And I'm even higher on KO.

I'm very excited for a big draft this year and a big improvement in our record next year. We still have a very competitive team and team culture, and with a healthy Rondo and fully recovered Sully, and a stronger KO, and some big time draft picks, we're going to close out many more of the close games that this team lost last year.
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Re: Seriously overrating our players
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2014, 11:11:01 PM »

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Quote from: DarkAzcura on June 06, 2014, 11:04:06 PM
Happens with every fan base. I think Celtics fans are generally good at judging the value of their players. Most other fans don't see the value in Sullinger, but I don't see how that is important. No one is watching a 25 win Celtics team but us Celtic fans. They have no idea how good or bad he is. When discussing the Love trade, C's fans talk more about the picks we can offer rather than the player anyway.

You should check out Chicago, Houston, and GSW fans. They are completely overrating their role player assets just because they had 50 win seasons. Similar thing happened in 2007 with Chicago's offer for KG.

So true, check out what Chicago fans think about the Celtics players: http://www.blogabull.com/2014/6/5/5781722/kevin-love-trade-rumors-bulls-timberwolves
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2014, 11:18:15 PM »

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I have a friend who tells me that parsons and 2 future picks from Houston should be enough to get love. Talk about over rating. .. but then tells me sully bass JG and picks is a terrible offer  ::)
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2014, 11:23:14 PM »

Offline LarBrd33

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said it a few times. Sully in particular has trade value about on a par with Houston's Terrence Jones.  Some trade value, but unlikely a trade centerpiece.  I see a lot of NBA people refer to him and Oly as "role players".  Rarely, if ever, do I see anyone outside of Boston talk about those guys like they are star prospects. 
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2014, 11:31:17 PM »

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Quote from: LarBrd33 on June 06, 2014, 11:23:14 PM
said it a few times. Sully in particular has trade value about on a par with Houston's Terrence Jones.  Some trade value, but unlikely a trade centerpiece.  I see a lot of NBA people refer to him and Oly as "role players".  Rarely, if ever, do I see anyone outside of Boston talk about those guys like they are star prospects.

This is the right answer
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2014, 11:34:06 PM »

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Quote from: NorthernLightning on June 06, 2014, 11:06:59 PM
I think we underrate these guys, which is why they are all thrown into trade proposals together so casually.

Sully didn't have an offseason because he was recovering from back surgery, and then he was playing out of position at center most of the time.

And I'm even higher on KO.

I'm very excited for a big draft this year and a big improvement in our record next year. We still have a very competitive team and team culture, and with a healthy Rondo and fully recovered Sully, and a stronger KO, and some big time draft picks, we're going to close out many more of the close games that this team lost last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37OWL7AzvHo
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Re: Seriously overrating our players
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2014, 11:54:20 PM »

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I think being conservative with the value of our players is a good choice. But in the same breathe I also feel that in Regards to Sully, the fact he had no offseason, was coming off surgery, and was playing out of position; must be mentioned.
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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2014, 12:03:31 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2014, 12:21:55 AM »

Offline Rondo9

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Quote from: LarBrd33 on June 06, 2014, 11:23:14 PM
said it a few times. Sully in particular has trade value about on a par with Houston's Terrence Jones.  Some trade value, but unlikely a trade centerpiece.  I see a lot of NBA people refer to him and Oly as "role players".  Rarely, if ever, do I see anyone outside of Boston talk about those guys like they are star prospects.

This also applies to other fanbases. A player that is highly coveted by their fans, could be seen nothing more than role players to Celtic fans.
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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2014, 12:28:32 AM »

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I think we over rate our own players as most fan bases do, but other fan bases also under rate Sullinger immensely.
The kid just turned 22 years old and averages 17 and 10.5 rebounds per game playing out of position.
He's only had the chance to drop weight this off season now that his back is fixed.

Chicago fans are screaming that a package of Gibson, Butler and Mirotic is so much better than our package of Sully, Green,#6 and a future Brooklyn pick(and any other picks we throw in).

The hilarious part is that some Wolves fans that are desperate to 'win now' seem to think Mirotic is the next coming of Dirk Nowitzki when Bulls fans are hoping he'll give them a nice 20 minutes per game off the bench next year if he makes it over.
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"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.
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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2014, 12:53:28 AM »

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It' s epidemic here.
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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2014, 12:57:36 AM »

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While it's true all fan bases overrate their players, the issue is what GMs think.  All of the word around the league out side of Boston is that the Celtics do not have enough to get Love.  Out side of Rondo the national media does not think anyone on the Celtics have any value.  Reports are that GMs around the league agree.  Of course the only GM that really matters is the Wolves. 
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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2014, 01:07:13 AM »

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Quote from: Future Celtics Owner on June 07, 2014, 12:03:31 AM
Well this article did it better than what I could say.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2069247-no-love-for-sullinger-patience-required-for-boston-celtics-third-year-forward
Great article, if worse comes to worse Danny isn't going to bend over for the wolves, we keep Sullinger and see what he becomes. He's got upside and a promising future so were good regardless (yes I'm already warming up to myself that we aren't going to get him).
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