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Re: FIFA World Cup 2014
« Reply #360 on: June 18, 2014, 04:22:17 PM »

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Pedro cutting inside so much that Spain might as well play a central midfielder. Someone who is better in those areas of the pitch.

Pedro not utilizing his speed or play in wide areas well enough.

del Bosque could have selected Navas for the squad...

Re: FIFA World Cup 2014
« Reply #361 on: June 18, 2014, 04:24:12 PM »

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I'll be really happy if Diego Costa goes scoreless in this tournament. Turned his back on his country. I can understand a player choosing to play for a different country if his own country isn't interested in using him but I hated seeing Diego Costa refuse to play for Brazil in order to play for Spain instead. In a World Cup year. In his home country! With his country having a huge hole at his position and thus giving him a great chance to play and help his nation's team. Awful.

I realize this is a bad thread to rail about blind nationalism, but I don't begrudge him his decision at all. He didn't have any say in where he was born -- he should be allowed to play for Spain, especially now that he's a Spanish Citizen.

Nope. Diego Costa wasn't born in Spain. He moved there FIVE years ago! Spain naturalized him as quickly as possible to get him to play in this World Cup. He grew up in Brazil and he turned his back on his country of citizenship for 20+ years.

Let me guess, you're Brazilian, correct? 

Re: FIFA World Cup 2014
« Reply #362 on: June 18, 2014, 04:24:45 PM »

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I'll be really happy if Diego Costa goes scoreless in this tournament. Turned his back on his country. I can understand a player choosing to play for a different country if his own country isn't interested in using him but I hated seeing Diego Costa refuse to play for Brazil in order to play for Spain instead. In a World Cup year. In his home country! With his country having a huge hole at his position and thus giving him a great chance to play and help his nation's team. Awful.

I realize this is a bad thread to rail about blind nationalism, but I don't begrudge him his decision at all. He didn't have any say in where he was born -- he should be allowed to play for Spain, especially now that he's a Spanish Citizen.

Nope. Diego Costa wasn't born in Spain. He moved there FIVE years ago! Spain naturalized him as quickly as possible to get him to play in this World Cup. He grew up in Brazil and he turned his back on his country of citizenship for 20+ years.

What's your point? He's a Spanish citizen, and he wanted to play fodr Spain. It doesn't really matter when he became a Spanish citizen, or why, because its clearly his choice.

Sure it's his choice. Point is we can still criticize him because he turned his back on his country. Same way we can criticize Lebron for leaving even if he was a FREE agent. They can choose where they play, and we can choose to criticize them. That is the point.
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Re: FIFA World Cup 2014
« Reply #363 on: June 18, 2014, 04:25:32 PM »

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At the risk of diverting this too far from discussions of soccer, what do those of you who are bagging on Diego Costa think of Aron Johansson?

   That he's playing for the country he was born in?

Re: FIFA World Cup 2014
« Reply #364 on: June 18, 2014, 04:26:43 PM »

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  Somewhat related, but I have to admit I'm pretty happy that Rossi hasn't made a WC team for Italy.

Re: FIFA World Cup 2014
« Reply #365 on: June 18, 2014, 04:27:05 PM »

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I'll be really happy if Diego Costa goes scoreless in this tournament. Turned his back on his country. I can understand a player choosing to play for a different country if his own country isn't interested in using him but I hated seeing Diego Costa refuse to play for Brazil in order to play for Spain instead. In a World Cup year. In his home country! With his country having a huge hole at his position and thus giving him a great chance to play and help his nation's team. Awful.

I realize this is a bad thread to rail about blind nationalism, but I don't begrudge him his decision at all. He didn't have any say in where he was born -- he should be allowed to play for Spain, especially now that he's a Spanish Citizen.

Nope. Diego Costa wasn't born in Spain. He moved there FIVE years ago! Spain naturalized him as quickly as possible to get him to play in this World Cup. He grew up in Brazil and he turned his back on his country of citizenship for 20+ years.

Let me guess, you're Brazilian, correct?

German. Die Mannschaft!!!
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Re: FIFA World Cup 2014
« Reply #366 on: June 18, 2014, 04:27:42 PM »

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Spain haven't created anything for about 10 minutes now.

Not looking like a team that is capable of mounting a comeback.

Re: FIFA World Cup 2014
« Reply #367 on: June 18, 2014, 04:31:01 PM »

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I love Gary Medel. Such a warrior. Smallest guy on the pitch but physical as heck. Never backs down. Great ball winner. Tidy passer too.

Re: FIFA World Cup 2014
« Reply #368 on: June 18, 2014, 04:33:50 PM »

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What's your point? He's a Spanish citizen, and he wanted to play for Spain. It doesn't really matter when he became a Spanish citizen, or why, because its clearly his choice.

The thing is, many countries fast-track athletes to play for them, even if they don't meet all the requirements necessary for "normal" people. I can see how that rubs some fans the wrong way.

Take Germany, for example. People say Klose is actually polish, but his father's parents were german, he moved to Germany as a kid, he had every right to play for the country. Morally, and by german law.

Cacau though, who played for them in 2010, was born in Brazil and lived there for most of his life. Granted, he also moved to Germany at the age of 18, and he was integrated, but people always had a hard time accepting him as a german national team player. Last week on german TV, when Brazil played, he flat out admitted in an interview that "now that he's retired, he doesn't have to pretend anymore that his heart still belongs to Brazil".

There's a lot of grey area here, so I don't think either side is 100% right. All you can do is accept the fact that these things are regulated by laws, and if said law isn't crossed, there's nothing you can do but accept the situation as it is.

Personally, as I'm not an overly patriotic guy myself, I welcome them all with open arms if they can identify themselves with the country and the team.
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Re: FIFA World Cup 2014
« Reply #369 on: June 18, 2014, 04:33:57 PM »

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At the risk of diverting this too far from discussions of soccer, what do those of you who are bagging on Diego Costa think of Aron Johansson?

   That he's playing for the country he was born in?

. . . to two Icelandic parents who were here as students, and he was still a toddler when he went back to Iceland.

I got no problem with Aron Johansson choosing to play for the U.S. National team, but apparently the Icelandic Football Federation does:  http://www.businessinsider.com/iceland-statement-aron-johannsson-2013-7

Just saying, if we're cool with the choice Johansson made, it's probably a bit hypocritical to call Diego Costa a turncoat. 
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Re: FIFA World Cup 2014
« Reply #370 on: June 18, 2014, 04:37:20 PM »

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This 2014 Spain team giving an even worse showing than the 2002 French team.

Spain are going to be the first team to be knocked out of the WC. Unbelievable.

Re: FIFA World Cup 2014
« Reply #371 on: June 18, 2014, 04:45:02 PM »

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This 2014 Spain team giving an even worse showing than the 2002 French team.

Spain are going to be the first team to be knocked out of the WC. Unbelievable.

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Re: FIFA World Cup 2014
« Reply #372 on: June 18, 2014, 04:52:56 PM »

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Adios, Espana.

First La Roja Wedding, now a deserved loss against Chile.

Can't say I'm too sad.  ;D
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Re: FIFA World Cup 2014
« Reply #373 on: June 18, 2014, 05:06:11 PM »

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At the risk of diverting this too far from discussions of soccer, what do those of you who are bagging on Diego Costa think of Aron Johansson?

   That he's playing for the country he was born in?

. . . to two Icelandic parents who were here as students, and he was still a toddler when he went back to Iceland.

I got no problem with Aron Johansson choosing to play for the U.S. National team, but apparently the Icelandic Football Federation does:  http://www.businessinsider.com/iceland-statement-aron-johannsson-2013-7

Just saying, if we're cool with the choice Johansson made, it's probably a bit hypocritical to call Diego Costa a turncoat.

  It's not really the same because he couldn't go to the WC with Iceland. Aside from that though, what you're saying is something like "you can't hate LeBron for the Decision unless you hate every free agent that switches teams".

Re: FIFA World Cup 2014
« Reply #374 on: June 18, 2014, 05:11:31 PM »

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This 2014 Spain team giving an even worse showing than the 2002 French team.

Spain are going to be the first team to be knocked out of the WC. Unbelievable.

  That's half the fun of the Cup, the unpredictability. They're showing worse on the pitch than the French team, but that was the team that only made the Cup because of Henri's handball, wasn't it? Didn't the team go on a mini-strike during the Cup? I'd have to put them below this Spanish team overall.