How much is too much for KLove

[RJ87]

My proposal:

Boston Sends: #6 + #17 + the Nets' 2016 1st + both Philly 2nd Rounders we're due (likely to be early 2nd round) + Kelly (the fans seem to prefer him to Sully) + Bass + Bogans + Vito Faverani


Minny Sends: Kevin Love + JJ Barea (or Alexey Shved if they prefer)

This is what I would do, except I'd try to keep the Net's pick and give them the Clippers.

That's actually what I wrote at first, but I thought about it. That Clips pick will likely be mid-20's and probably not that interesting. But the Nets pick has potential to be very good - might be enough to entice them to make up for the lack of a stud young player in the package. I mean, I really like Kelly's game but I think his ceiling is solid starter.

[MikeJelly]

Can i just say I really wanna keep 17. I think we could get a very good player at 17. Im good with Sully/KO, 6 , 2015 Clips Pick (lets be honest they're not going downhill anytime soon), 2016 C's and filler (Maybe we can give up Bass, Joel)

I'd like to Draft either a scoring 3 (Warren) or a young 2-guard with potential (Lavine, Young, Stauskas) at 17. I believe thats important for our future.

[McHales Pits]

I think Sully, #6, 2015 Clippers is a good starting point. I'm guessing another pick would need to be added to seal the deal.

Question

What would you be willing to add to the above package for Minnesota to take Wallace? One more first? Two more 1sts? aka 4 or 5 total along with Sully?

[nostar]

I'm not as enamored with the Brooklyn picks as everyone else seems to be. We have their picks from now until 2018 (except 2015) but honestly they have Deron Williams, Joe Johnson and Brook Lopez signed through 2015/16 and Williams for another year after. They will be major players in FA as they are in the largest media market, have a billionaire owned and they have some good young players in Teletovic and Plumlee. We got four 1st rounders in the BKN trade (really three 1sts and the right to swap in 2017). I'm willing to give up the one in 2016 at least.

I'd be surprised if they were a lotto team in more than one of those years. Barring a Williams injury those picks will be mid-round 1sts.

So if that is the rub on these deals for Love I'm more than happy to swap in that BKN pick. I think LarBrd's suggestion of five 1sts, Sully and KO is too much. That is shakes out to seven 1sts for Love and with no guarantee that he will resign in in 2015/16. I'm not giving up that much for 1 year of Rondo/Love, even if Ainge can magically convince Melo to spurn the NYK and come here (which he won't). The smart $ is on Melo staying in NY.

Here is a deal I concocted in the trade machine:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pf9glaz

Here me out on this, because I know it looks like a windfall for us and dregs for the others.

MIN receives #6, LAC 2015 1st, BOS 2015 1st and the right to swap with us in 2016.
PHI receives PHI 2015 1st, 2016 MIA 2nd and cash considerations

So essentially MIN gets 3.5 first round picks, KO and $14M in cap space for Love and Martin. PHI gets the rights to their 2015 1st back as well as a 2nd from MIA and some cash to pay Wallace. They also, and this is important, get another key tanking piece this year. Wallace is a pro at playing minutes and having nothing to show for it. He also gets them pretty close to the salary floor which is a concern for them...I guess.

Additionally this trade actually gives us some $ to pay AB if we want as well as setting us up with a lineup of:

Rondo
Martin
Green
Love
Sully

AB
Lavine (or whoever @ #17)


Obviously we have to take a swing at getting Asik/Gortat/Monroe this off-season or drafting  Porzingis, Capella or Nurkic at #17. We'd have some $ to work with actually. Our squad including the #17 pick is only about $58 in salary once we renounce the non-guarantees.

I think we could offer HOU cap space for Asik using the TPE. I know the player's salary has to be lower than the TPE but Asik's cap hit for 2014/15 is only $8,374,646 which is well in range. I'd have to CBA check that but I think it's true. Another option might be Pau Gasol on a short deal.

I think 3.5 picks is probably the best offer Minnesota will get for a year of Love. It's a lot but with his interest in Boston it seems to be worth the gamble. Moving Wallace's deal is a side bonus and isn't necessary as seen here: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nja2gzq. They just have to take Joel Anthony in that scenario.

[droopdog7]

I'm not as enamored with the Brooklyn picks as everyone else seems to be. We have their picks from now until 2018 (except 2015) but honestly they have Deron Williams, Joe Johnson and Brook Lopez signed through 2015/16 and Williams for another year after. They will be major players in FA as they are in the largest media market, have a billionaire owned and they have some good young players in Teletovic and Plumlee. We got four 1st rounders in the BKN trade (really three 1sts and the right to swap in 2017). I'm willing to give up the one in 2016 at least.

I'd be surprised if they were a lotto team in more than one of those years. Barring a Williams injury those picks will be mid-round 1sts.

So if that is the rub on these deals for Love I'm more than happy to swap in that BKN pick. I think LarBrd's suggestion of five 1sts, Sully and KO is too much. That is shakes out to seven 1sts for Love and with no guarantee that he will resign in in 2015/16. I'm not giving up that much for 1 year of Rondo/Love, even if Ainge can magically convince Melo to spurn the NYK and come here (which he won't). The smart $ is on Melo staying in NY.

Here is a deal I concocted in the trade machine:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pf9glaz

Here me out on this, because I know it looks like a windfall for us and dregs for the others.

MIN receives #6, LAC 2015 1st, BOS 2015 1st and the right to swap with us in 2016.
PHI receives PHI 2015 1st, 2016 MIA 2nd and cash considerations

So essentially MIN gets 3.5 first round picks, KO and $14M in cap space for Love and Martin. PHI gets the rights to their 2015 1st back as well as a 2nd from MIA and some cash to pay Wallace. They also, and this is important, get another key tanking piece this year. Wallace is a pro at playing minutes and having nothing to show for it. He also gets them pretty close to the salary floor which is a concern for them...I guess.

Additionally this trade actually gives us some $ to pay AB if we want as well as setting us up with a lineup of:

Rondo
Martin
Green
Love
Sully

AB
Lavine (or whoever @ #17)


Obviously we have to take a swing at getting Asik/Gortat/Monroe this off-season or drafting  Porzingis, Capella or Nurkic at #17. We'd have some $ to work with actually. Our squad including the #17 pick is only about $58 in salary once we renounce the non-guarantees.

I think we could offer HOU cap space for Asik using the TPE. I know the player's salary has to be lower than the TPE but Asik's cap hit for 2014/15 is only $8,374,646 which is well in range. I'd have to CBA check that but I think it's true. Another option might be Pau Gasol on a short deal.

I think 3.5 picks is probably the best offer Minnesota will get for a year of Love. It's a lot but with his interest in Boston it seems to be worth the gamble. Moving Wallace's deal is a side bonus and isn't necessary as seen here: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nja2gzq. They just have to take Joel Anthony in that scenario.

So Philly gets a second and cash for taking on Wallace.  How much cash?  His entire contract?  Because otherwise, this make little sense for them.  And I know you are giving them their 2015 first round pick but they likely will have that anyway.

[slamtheking]

here's the offer I've proposed in the multitude of threads on this:
1.  Sully or KO (I'd prefer to send Sully only because I think KO offers a better fit with Love)
2. #6
3.  one of the following:
  a. AB in a S&T
  b. #17 this year
  c. the lesser of the C's/Clips picks next year (post lottery) or the lesser of the C's/Nets picks in 2016. 
4. Non-guaranteed contracts as salary filler.

Love is not KG.  I'm not paying a KG-level price.  Sully and the #6 would be 2 starters for them.  if taking AB, he'd be a fine backup behind Martin.  otherwise, the #17 would also turn out to be a 6/7th man for that roster. 

I don't see a better offer by someone else out there unless they're going to mortgage the farm for Love.  This team will need more than Love to get to contender status and will need as many assets as possible to bring in another big-time player

[KGs Knee]

I think Sully, #6, 2015 Clippers is a good starting point. I'm guessing another pick would need to be added to seal the deal.

Question

What would you be willing to add to the above package for Minnesota to take Wallace? One more first? Two more 1sts? aka 4 or 5 total along with Sully?

I'd be willing to substitute one of the Brooklyn picks for the Clippers picks, but I'd make it top 10 protected. Maybe lower the protection to top 5.

As far as adding picks to take on Wallace, I'd have to see what impact it would have on the cap, and our ability to use the cap savings on a FA. I'd possibly go as far as sending the #6, 2015 Celtics pick, 2015 Clippers pick and one of the Brooklyn picks (protected).

[Donoghus]

I'm fine with the sixth overall pick. and either Kelly or Sully plus contract filler.  Would not like to see both Kelly & Sully go, though.

I'd rather not part with more than 2 1st rounders, though.  I could probably budge on a third one being included if really necessarily but would rather not.

[Monkhouse]

I'm fine with the sixth overall pick. and either Kelly or Sully plus contract filler.  Would not like to see both Kelly & Sully go, though.

I'd rather not part with more than 2 1st rounders, though.  I could probably budge on a third one being included if really necessarily but would rather not.

Honestly don't care if its 3 picks, if 1 of the picks are ours.

[droopdog7]

here's the offer I've proposed in the multitude of threads on this:
1.  Sully or KO (I'd prefer to send Sully only because I think KO offers a better fit with Love)
2. #6
3.  one of the following:
  a. AB in a S&T
  b. #17 this year
  c. the lesser of the C's/Clips picks next year (post lottery) or the lesser of the C's/Nets picks in 2016. 
4. Non-guaranteed contracts as salary filler.

Love is not KG.  I'm not paying a KG-level price.  Sully and the #6 would be 2 starters for them.  if taking AB, he'd be a fine backup behind Martin.  otherwise, the #17 would also turn out to be a 6/7th man for that roster. 

I don't see a better offer by someone else out there unless they're going to mortgage the farm for Love.  This team will need more than Love to get to contender status and will need as many assets as possible to bring in another big-time player

Okay.  I will be Minny. 

I don't want KO or Sully.  In fact, no player on your roster really interests me as a player. 

So you will need to add more picks; #6 and #17 at minimum.  And I will take the higher of your pick and the Clips pick next year.  And please send us all of your expiring contracts as well. 

And give me the Nets pick of your choice.

Am I crazy?  I don't think so.

So what do you say?

[aingeforthree]

here's the offer I've proposed in the multitude of threads on this:
1.  Sully or KO (I'd prefer to send Sully only because I think KO offers a better fit with Love)
2. #6
3.  one of the following:
  a. AB in a S&T
  b. #17 this year
  c. the lesser of the C's/Clips picks next year (post lottery) or the lesser of the C's/Nets picks in 2016. 
4. Non-guaranteed contracts as salary filler.

Love is not KG.  I'm not paying a KG-level price.  Sully and the #6 would be 2 starters for them.  if taking AB, he'd be a fine backup behind Martin.  otherwise, the #17 would also turn out to be a 6/7th man for that roster. 

I don't see a better offer by someone else out there unless they're going to mortgage the farm for Love.  This team will need more than Love to get to contender status and will need as many assets as possible to bring in another big-time player

Okay.  I will be Minny. 

I don't want KO or Sully.  In fact, no player on your roster really interests me as a player. 

So you will need to add more picks; #6 and #17 at minimum.  And I will take the higher of your pick and the Clips pick next year.  And please send us all of your expiring contracts as well. 

And give me the Nets pick of your choice.

Am I crazy?  I don't think so.

So what do you say?

I'd say:

Sully
Green
#6 overall
2016 Nets Unprotected First Rounder

Easily the best package you'll be offered.  So take it or let him walk.

[droopdog7]

here's the offer I've proposed in the multitude of threads on this:
1.  Sully or KO (I'd prefer to send Sully only because I think KO offers a better fit with Love)
2. #6
3.  one of the following:
  a. AB in a S&T
  b. #17 this year
  c. the lesser of the C's/Clips picks next year (post lottery) or the lesser of the C's/Nets picks in 2016. 
4. Non-guaranteed contracts as salary filler.

Love is not KG.  I'm not paying a KG-level price.  Sully and the #6 would be 2 starters for them.  if taking AB, he'd be a fine backup behind Martin.  otherwise, the #17 would also turn out to be a 6/7th man for that roster. 

I don't see a better offer by someone else out there unless they're going to mortgage the farm for Love.  This team will need more than Love to get to contender status and will need as many assets as possible to bring in another big-time player

Okay.  I will be Minny. 

I don't want KO or Sully.  In fact, no player on your roster really interests me as a player. 

So you will need to add more picks; #6 and #17 at minimum.  And I will take the higher of your pick and the Clips pick next year.  And please send us all of your expiring contracts as well. 

And give me the Nets pick of your choice.

Am I crazy?  I don't think so.

So what do you say?

I'd say:

Sully
Green
#6 overall
2016 Nets Unprotected First Rounder

Easily the best package you'll be offered.  So take it or let him walk.

I will repeat; I am not interested in any of your players.  Sully and KO are role players that serve no purpose right now.  No interest in Green either.

So basically, you will need to package around picks and expirings.  That's the deal.

[aingeforthree]

here's the offer I've proposed in the multitude of threads on this:
1.  Sully or KO (I'd prefer to send Sully only because I think KO offers a better fit with Love)
2. #6
3.  one of the following:
  a. AB in a S&T
  b. #17 this year
  c. the lesser of the C's/Clips picks next year (post lottery) or the lesser of the C's/Nets picks in 2016. 
4. Non-guaranteed contracts as salary filler.

Love is not KG.  I'm not paying a KG-level price.  Sully and the #6 would be 2 starters for them.  if taking AB, he'd be a fine backup behind Martin.  otherwise, the #17 would also turn out to be a 6/7th man for that roster. 

I don't see a better offer by someone else out there unless they're going to mortgage the farm for Love.  This team will need more than Love to get to contender status and will need as many assets as possible to bring in another big-time player

Okay.  I will be Minny. 

I don't want KO or Sully.  In fact, no player on your roster really interests me as a player. 

So you will need to add more picks; #6 and #17 at minimum.  And I will take the higher of your pick and the Clips pick next year.  And please send us all of your expiring contracts as well. 

And give me the Nets pick of your choice.

Am I crazy?  I don't think so.

So what do you say?

I'd say:

Sully
Green
#6 overall
2016 Nets Unprotected First Rounder

Easily the best package you'll be offered.  So take it or let him walk.

I will repeat; I am not interested in any of your players.  Sully and KO are role players that serve no purpose right now.  No interest in Green either.

So basically, you will need to package around picks and expirings.  That's the deal.

& you think you have leverage because ?

You'll take the best deal.  By far, the best deal is:

Sully
Green
#6 overall
2016 Nets Unprotected First Rounder

No other team can come remotely close to that deal.

[droopdog7]

here's the offer I've proposed in the multitude of threads on this:
1.  Sully or KO (I'd prefer to send Sully only because I think KO offers a better fit with Love)
2. #6
3.  one of the following:
  a. AB in a S&T
  b. #17 this year
  c. the lesser of the C's/Clips picks next year (post lottery) or the lesser of the C's/Nets picks in 2016. 
4. Non-guaranteed contracts as salary filler.

Love is not KG.  I'm not paying a KG-level price.  Sully and the #6 would be 2 starters for them.  if taking AB, he'd be a fine backup behind Martin.  otherwise, the #17 would also turn out to be a 6/7th man for that roster. 

I don't see a better offer by someone else out there unless they're going to mortgage the farm for Love.  This team will need more than Love to get to contender status and will need as many assets as possible to bring in another big-time player

Okay.  I will be Minny. 

I don't want KO or Sully.  In fact, no player on your roster really interests me as a player. 

So you will need to add more picks; #6 and #17 at minimum.  And I will take the higher of your pick and the Clips pick next year.  And please send us all of your expiring contracts as well. 

And give me the Nets pick of your choice.

Am I crazy?  I don't think so.

So what do you say?

I'd say:

Sully
Green
#6 overall
2016 Nets Unprotected First Rounder

Easily the best package you'll be offered.  So take it or let him walk.

I will repeat; I am not interested in any of your players.  Sully and KO are role players that serve no purpose right now.  No interest in Green either.

So basically, you will need to package around picks and expirings.  That's the deal.

& you think you have leverage because ?

You'll take the best deal.  By far, the best deal is:

Sully
Green
#6 overall
2016 Nets Unprotected First Rounder

No other team can come remotely close to that deal.

That's fine.  Keep you Sully and Green and kick in #17 and I will consider.

Oh wait, Houston on the other line and willing to trade Asik, Parsons and a #1. 

Hmm?

[slamtheking]

here's the offer I've proposed in the multitude of threads on this:
1.  Sully or KO (I'd prefer to send Sully only because I think KO offers a better fit with Love)
2. #6
3.  one of the following:
  a. AB in a S&T
  b. #17 this year
  c. the lesser of the C's/Clips picks next year (post lottery) or the lesser of the C's/Nets picks in 2016. 
4. Non-guaranteed contracts as salary filler.

Love is not KG.  I'm not paying a KG-level price.  Sully and the #6 would be 2 starters for them.  if taking AB, he'd be a fine backup behind Martin.  otherwise, the #17 would also turn out to be a 6/7th man for that roster. 

I don't see a better offer by someone else out there unless they're going to mortgage the farm for Love.  This team will need more than Love to get to contender status and will need as many assets as possible to bring in another big-time player

Okay.  I will be Minny. 

I don't want KO or Sully.  In fact, no player on your roster really interests me as a player. 

So you will need to add more picks; #6 and #17 at minimum.  And I will take the higher of your pick and the Clips pick next year.  And please send us all of your expiring contracts as well. 

And give me the Nets pick of your choice.

Am I crazy?  I don't think so.

So what do you say?

I'd say:

Sully
Green
#6 overall
2016 Nets Unprotected First Rounder

Easily the best package you'll be offered.  So take it or let him walk.

I will repeat; I am not interested in any of your players.  Sully and KO are role players that serve no purpose right now.  No interest in Green either.

So basically, you will need to package around picks and expirings.  That's the deal.

& you think you have leverage because ?

You'll take the best deal.  By far, the best deal is:

Sully
Green
#6 overall
2016 Nets Unprotected First Rounder

No other team can come remotely close to that deal.

That's fine.  Keep you Sully and Green and kick in #17 and I will consider.

Oh wait, Houston on the other line and willing to trade Asik, Parsons and a #1. 

Hmm?

dude, why'd you change my original post?