love rumors detrimental to KO and Sullinger?

[Donoghus]

If I'm choosing between a guy who might be a 9 offensively/3 defensively and a guy who might be a 5 offensively/5 defensively, I'm going the 9 & 3 guy every time even though the 5/5 would be considered the better 2 way player.

[Tr1boy]

I said two way player. Ko and sully will be better two way players I predict than love.

As a two way player?   On the offensive end Love smears these guys.   Any edge they have on D, is clearly offset by Love's tremendous offensive capabilities.   It is not even close.  I don't see Sully or Love having a huge edge on him on defense at all.   But Love is hands down better on offense!   How that does make him an inferior player as a two way player?  I think it makes him better because he is a dominant offensive player and poor defender.   The other guys are mediocre at both ends and argubly poor defenders as well.

I guess your just mesmerized by his offense to not see how
Bad he is defensively. He is a poor 1 on 1 defender, doesnt bother contesting shots, stays planted to the ground, doesnt take charges bc he is constantly late/ or thinks he doesnt have to bother. He provides little to no weakside defensive help. KO and sully with their rookie bodies tried harder. Once they get in better condition will be assets on the defensive end.

Like I said a million times now, whats the pt of scoring 25 when your man will score 20? When you will let in many more pts bc u dont assist with weakside defensive situations??

[Tr1boy]

Im glad love made 2nd team , though its pretty much bs imo

Just shoots up the price to get him. Danny will have his limit though. Dont remember last time he overpaid and is usually the one ripping off other teams

[bruinsandceltics]

The idea that Olynyk and Sullinger will be better than Love defensively is hilarious.

Both of them are noted for the flaws on defense.

I love Olynyk, I'm not a huge fan of Sullinger. But the idea that either of these guys could every be a Kevin Love type player makes me laugh so hard. It's that stupid. Both could be really good players in this league. Might even reach All-Star level at some point. But far from elite.

.....but "Love isn't LeBron" 

God some of the buffoons truly are out to play.

[Smokeeye123]

I said two way player. Ko and sully will be better two way players I predict than love.

As a two way player?   On the offensive end Love smears these guys.   Any edge they have on D, is clearly offset by Love's tremendous offensive capabilities.   It is not even close.  I don't see Sully or Love having a huge edge on him on defense at all.   But Love is hands down better on offense!   How that does make him an inferior player as a two way player?  I think it makes him better because he is a dominant offensive player and poor defender.   The other guys are mediocre at both ends and argubly poor defenders as well.

I guess your just mesmerized by his offense to not see how
Bad he is defensively. He is a poor 1 on 1 defender, doesnt bother contesting shots, stays planted to the ground, doesnt take charges bc he is constantly late/ or thinks he doesnt have to bother. He provides little to no weakside defensive help. KO and sully with their rookie bodies tried harder. Once they get in better condition will be assets on the defensive end.

Like I said a million times now, whats the pt of scoring 25 when your man will score 20? When you will let in many more pts bc u dont assist with weakside defensive situations??

Defense is all you fall back but it's futile. Want some defensive stats? Love had a +1.54 DRPM (Defensive real plus minus) making him 24th out of 90 eligible players at his position. Your boy Olynyk was a -1.72!!! THAT RANKS HIM 78TH OUT OF 81 ELIGIBLE PLAYERS AT HIS POSITION!!(Source ESPN.go statistics.) **Note that ESPN rates him as a Center which I assume is because he played most of last season there but regardless that's bad defense no matter how you slice it.

Like I mentioned earlier Love ranked +1.54 for Powerforwards. In your opinion Sullinger should be a much better two way player for his defense correct? Sullinger had a +1.58drpm  for centers last year. ONLY 0.04 BETTER THAN LOVE! They have basically the same rating!!

In real plus minus Love ranks sixth in the entire NBA among qualifying PF's. Meaning despite his, according to you, horrendous defense the Timberwolves scored a net + 5.07  points with him on the floor. If you are going to just use Kevin Love's supposedly terrible defense against him, at least bring some stats to the plate.

[bruinsandceltics]

I said two way player. Ko and sully will be better two way players I predict than love.

As a two way player?   On the offensive end Love smears these guys.   Any edge they have on D, is clearly offset by Love's tremendous offensive capabilities.   It is not even close.  I don't see Sully or Love having a huge edge on him on defense at all.   But Love is hands down better on offense!   How that does make him an inferior player as a two way player?  I think it makes him better because he is a dominant offensive player and poor defender.   The other guys are mediocre at both ends and argubly poor defenders as well.

I guess your just mesmerized by his offense to not see how
Bad he is defensively. He is a poor 1 on 1 defender, doesnt bother contesting shots, stays planted to the ground, doesnt take charges bc he is constantly late/ or thinks he doesnt have to bother. He provides little to no weakside defensive help. KO and sully with their rookie bodies tried harder. Once they get in better condition will be assets on the defensive end.

Like I said a million times now, whats the pt of scoring 25 when your man will score 20? When you will let in many more pts bc u dont assist with weakside defensive situations??

Yet somehow Kelly Olynyk is worse on defense....

Seriously dude, give it a [dang] rest. Kevin Love may not be a superstar defender, but he isn't remotely as bad as you portray him. Typical case of exaggerating a story to prove ones point.

It's old and tired. We know you don't want Love, we know you continue to make up these mythical stories to explain why you don't want him....the rest of us are sick of hearing it.

The worst part is, there could be a valid argument to not trading for Kevin Love...too bad you have to make stuff up rather than make a logical argument.

[bruinsandceltics]

I said two way player. Ko and sully will be better two way players I predict than love.

As a two way player?   On the offensive end Love smears these guys.   Any edge they have on D, is clearly offset by Love's tremendous offensive capabilities.   It is not even close.  I don't see Sully or Love having a huge edge on him on defense at all.   But Love is hands down better on offense!   How that does make him an inferior player as a two way player?  I think it makes him better because he is a dominant offensive player and poor defender.   The other guys are mediocre at both ends and argubly poor defenders as well.

I guess your just mesmerized by his offense to not see how
Bad he is defensively. He is a poor 1 on 1 defender, doesnt bother contesting shots, stays planted to the ground, doesnt take charges bc he is constantly late/ or thinks he doesnt have to bother. He provides little to no weakside defensive help. KO and sully with their rookie bodies tried harder. Once they get in better condition will be assets on the defensive end.

Like I said a million times now, whats the pt of scoring 25 when your man will score 20? When you will let in many more pts bc u dont assist with weakside defensive situations??

Defense is all you fall back but it's futile. Want some defensive stats? Love had a +1.54 DRPM (Defensive real plus minus) making him 24th out of 90 eligible players at his position. Your boy Olynyk was a -1.72!!! THAT RANKS HIM 78TH OUT OF 81 ELIGIBLE PLAYERS AT HIS POSITION!!(Source ESPN.go statistics.) **Note that ESPN rates him as a Center which I assume is because he played most of last season there but regardless that's bad defense no matter how you slice it.

Like I mentioned earlier Love ranked +1.54 for Powerforwards. In your opinion Sullinger should be a much better two way player for his defense correct? Sullinger had a +1.58drpm  for centers last year. ONLY 0.04 BETTER THAN LOVE! They have basically the same rating!!

In real plus minus Love ranks sixth in the entire NBA among qualifying PF's. Meaning despite his, according to you, horrendous defense the Timberwolves scored a net + 5.07  points with him on the floor. If you are going to just use Kevin Love's supposedly terrible defense against him, at least bring some stats to the plate.

Oh, so Olynyk wasn't just worse....he was mind-numbingly awful on defense.

Interesting.

[nickagneta]

The reason the Timberwolves havent made the playoffs has little to zero to do with Love.

I am not sure I completely agree with this. As an elite player you should be able to make your team mates better and at some point in 6 years get your team even a sniff of the NBA playoffs. That Love couldn't achieve this is at least partially his fault.

I agree management and coaching there has been awful and that the surrounding players haven't been great and that he has played in a tough conference. Still, I think last year was the first time Love ever raised his team enough to win more than 31 games in a season. Love absolutely has to take some blame for that. 6 years and 153 wins out of 558 games. Love has to take some responsibility there.

[bruinsandceltics]

The reason the Timberwolves havent made the playoffs has little to zero to do with Love.

I am not sure I completely agree with this. As an elite player you should be able to make your team mates better and at some point in 6 years get your team even a sniff of the NBA playoffs. That Love couldn't achieve this is at least partially his fault.

I agree management and coaching there has been awful and that the surrounding players haven't been great and that he has played in a tough conference. Still, I think last year was the first time Love ever raised his team enough to win more than 31 games in a season. Love absolutely has to take some blame for that. 6 years and 153 wins out of 558 games. Love has to take some responsibility there.

No he doesn't.

How can you say an elite player is supposed to raise the game of his teammates when his teammates are horrendous, not NBA caliber players?

Kevin Love is supposed to make Jonny Flynn an NBA player? Supposed to make Ryan Gomes be better than the decent role player he has been his entire career? Make Darko Milicic or Michael Beasley or Derrick Williams not be a gigantic busts? Make Luke Ridnour or JJ Barea not be terrible PGs?

Sorry, Kevin Love didn't control the players on that team. There was nothing he could do about the fact that the Timberwolves continue to put terrible players around him and hope that he can singlehandedly win ever game.

That's bs.

[Smokeeye123]

The reason the Timberwolves havent made the playoffs has little to zero to do with Love.

I am not sure I completely agree with this. As an elite player you should be able to make your team mates better and at some point in 6 years get your team even a sniff of the NBA playoffs. That Love couldn't achieve this is at least partially his fault.

I agree management and coaching there has been awful and that the surrounding players haven't been great and that he has played in a tough conference. Still, I think last year was the first time Love ever raised his team enough to win more than 31 games in a season. Love absolutely has to take some blame for that. 6 years and 153 wins out of 558 games. Love has to take some responsibility there.

Partially maybe but what would MIN be without Love? Probably a bottomfeeder like the Bucks/Magic. A lot of elite players don't have much success until they find better situations. Bosh, ray allen etc. Also there are other elite players just like Love who have never made the playoffs and are not even close. (Irving, Cousins) It doesn't take away from them being elite players.

[Tr1boy]

The reason the Timberwolves havent made the playoffs has little to zero to do with Love.

I am not sure I completely agree with this. As an elite player you should be able to make your team mates better and at some point in 6 years get your team even a sniff of the NBA playoffs. That Love couldn't achieve this is at least partially his fault.

I agree management and coaching there has been awful and that the surrounding players haven't been great and that he has played in a tough conference. Still, I think last year was the first time Love ever raised his team enough to win more than 31 games in a season. Love absolutely has to take some blame for that. 6 years and 153 wins out of 558 games. Love has to take some responsibility there.

No he doesn't.

How can you say an elite player is supposed to raise the game of his teammates when his teammates are horrendous, not NBA caliber players?

Kevin Love is supposed to make Jonny Flynn an NBA player? Supposed to make Ryan Gomes be better than the decent role player he has been his entire career? Make Darko Milicic or Michael Beasley or Derrick Williams not be a gigantic busts? Make Luke Ridnour or JJ Barea not be terrible PGs?

Sorry, Kevin Love didn't control the players on that team. There was nothing he could do about the fact that the Timberwolves continue to put terrible players around him and hope that he can singlehandedly win ever game.

That's bs.

Sorry but your blind and foolish. You keep you love goggles on.A great player also is a leader. You put duncan on the wolves instead and I bet they make the playoffs. You put nowitzki the same result. You replace love with nowitzki and mavs dont make it in.

[BigAlTheFuture]

I'm beginning to think triboy is just some elaborate troll, as it's hard to back up the idea that Olynyk is better or will ever be better than a 3x allstar and top 10 player in the league.

Triboy let me put it to you this way, Love was...

3rd in the ENTIRE NBA in Rebounds last season, with 12.5pg
4th in the ENTIRE NBA in Points scored last season, with 26.1pg
2nd in the ENTIRE NBA in overall efficiency last season at 30.2 (Only behind Durant)
3rd in the ENTIRE NBA in PER at 26.97
Had a 37.6% 3PT%, shot 82% from the line, averaged 4.5 assists per game, and he's only 25!!

BUT KELLY BLEEPING OLYNYK IS GOING TO BE A BETTER PLAYER THAN HIM SO WE SHOULDNT TRADE OLYNYK?!?!?! I'm sure Chris Johnson is untouchable on our team since he will SURELY develop into Michael Jordan. Chris Babb will also probably become Kobe, and Faverani will become Marc Gasol right?

My god lay off the loopy pills.

Please read the posts properly instead of seeing that  love sux or ko will be better and  overreacting. 

I said two way player. Ko and sully will be better two way players I predict than love.

I dont care if love avgs 30 points a game like melo has close to before. If ur team doesnt  win who gives a care.

You want us to win, triboy? Is that what you want? Win? We have a hell of a better chance to do that if we get Love. I can't for the life of me imagine Sullinger or Olynyk giving us a better chance to win than Love. We would be a surefire playoff team in the East with Love and Rondo. Trade for Love now, make the playoffs next seasons, and build from there.

Olynyk and Sullinger gives us a better chance to win the lottery. If that's what you want, I don't know what to tell you.

I never understood why you always give players with major flaws (Aaron Gordon, Kelly Olynyk), the benefit of the doubt. Always talking about how they will "improve their short, get in better shape". But attack Kevin Love constantly for his one major weakness, which is his defense. He does everything else that you would want. Score, shoot, rebound, pass, etc. etc.

[bruinsandceltics]

The reason the Timberwolves havent made the playoffs has little to zero to do with Love.

I am not sure I completely agree with this. As an elite player you should be able to make your team mates better and at some point in 6 years get your team even a sniff of the NBA playoffs. That Love couldn't achieve this is at least partially his fault.

I agree management and coaching there has been awful and that the surrounding players haven't been great and that he has played in a tough conference. Still, I think last year was the first time Love ever raised his team enough to win more than 31 games in a season. Love absolutely has to take some blame for that. 6 years and 153 wins out of 558 games. Love has to take some responsibility there.

No he doesn't.

How can you say an elite player is supposed to raise the game of his teammates when his teammates are horrendous, not NBA caliber players?

Kevin Love is supposed to make Jonny Flynn an NBA player? Supposed to make Ryan Gomes be better than the decent role player he has been his entire career? Make Darko Milicic or Michael Beasley or Derrick Williams not be a gigantic busts? Make Luke Ridnour or JJ Barea not be terrible PGs?

Sorry, Kevin Love didn't control the players on that team. There was nothing he could do about the fact that the Timberwolves continue to put terrible players around him and hope that he can singlehandedly win ever game.

That's bs.

Sorry but your blind and foolish. You keep you love goggles on.A great player also is a leader. You put duncan on the wolves instead and I bet they make the playoffs. You put nowitzki the same result. You replace love with nowitzki and mavs dont make it in.

Ah, so that's the new theory....if Dirk Nowitzki was in Kevin Love's place guys like Jonny Flynn and Michael Beasley and Darko Milicic and Derrick Williams would all be All-Stars...nice.

Didn't know Dirk was a black magician too.

[nickagneta]

The reason the Timberwolves havent made the playoffs has little to zero to do with Love.

I am not sure I completely agree with this. As an elite player you should be able to make your team mates better and at some point in 6 years get your team even a sniff of the NBA playoffs. That Love couldn't achieve this is at least partially his fault.

I agree management and coaching there has been awful and that the surrounding players haven't been great and that he has played in a tough conference. Still, I think last year was the first time Love ever raised his team enough to win more than 31 games in a season. Love absolutely has to take some blame for that. 6 years and 153 wins out of 558 games. Love has to take some responsibility there.

Partially maybe but what would MIN be without Love? Probably a bottomfeeder like the Bucks/Magic. A lot of elite players don't have much success until they find better situations. Bosh, ray allen etc. Also there are other elite players just like Love who have never made the playoffs and are not even close. (Irving, Cousins) It doesn't take away from them being elite players.

But it could mean they definitely have a flaw that means they don't necessarily play winning basketball. They may hang stats but that doesn't mean they make their teams or team mates any better. Minnesota was a bottom feeder for years.

And that was with Kevin Love!!!

24 wins. 15 wins. 17 wins. 21 wins. 31 wins. That's historic bottom feeder and he was on the team.

I want Love here and think he would be a great fit in Boston. But I am not going to just blow off that he probably was at least partially responsible for Minnesota being that bad. A true elite player would have made the playoffs in 6 years. But then again, I don't think Love to be a truly elite player.

[bruinsandceltics]

The reason the Timberwolves havent made the playoffs has little to zero to do with Love.

I am not sure I completely agree with this. As an elite player you should be able to make your team mates better and at some point in 6 years get your team even a sniff of the NBA playoffs. That Love couldn't achieve this is at least partially his fault.

I agree management and coaching there has been awful and that the surrounding players haven't been great and that he has played in a tough conference. Still, I think last year was the first time Love ever raised his team enough to win more than 31 games in a season. Love absolutely has to take some blame for that. 6 years and 153 wins out of 558 games. Love has to take some responsibility there.

Partially maybe but what would MIN be without Love? Probably a bottomfeeder like the Bucks/Magic. A lot of elite players don't have much success until they find better situations. Bosh, ray allen etc. Also there are other elite players just like Love who have never made the playoffs and are not even close. (Irving, Cousins) It doesn't take away from them being elite players.

But it could mean they definitely have a flaw that means they don't necessarily play winning basketball. They may hang stats but that doesn't mean they make their teams or team mates any better. Minnesota was a bottom feeder for years.

And that was with Kevin Love!!!

24 wins. 15 wins. 17 wins. 21 wins. 31 wins. That's historic bottom feeder and he was on the team.

I want Love here and think he would be a great fit in Boston. But I am not going to just blow off that he probably was at least partially responsible for Minnesota being that bad. A true elite player would have made the playoffs in 6 years. But then again, I don't think Love to be a truly elite player.

Until Kevin Love is named GM, he can't control if the players around him are terrible...by doing anything but demanding a trade or signing somewhere as a free agent.