love rumors detrimental to KO and Sullinger?

[playdream]

This notion that love is a top player in the same league as lebron or even paul george is a joke

Second team all-nba

Got more votes than Aldridge, Paul George who were third team. Also more votes than Dirk.

Which is a joke. Dirk was a better player last season and will prob be a better player this upcoming season at 37.

Its not only about ind stats. Its how you impact/lead your team on both ends of the court

Love for Sully and #17 is fair value
He is not KG and will never be

[IlCapitano]

You could've said right away you just don't like either Love or Rondo.

See you...

And I said in details why I dont. Im not going to use the glory days or theorize why two above avg players will suddenly make us into a great team

Ok, if you actually think, without any issues towards either one, that healthy Rondo, playoff Rondo and Kevin Love are just above avg players, we can stop any discussion right now.

All the best.

[ScoobyDoo]

I kind of get triboy16f's point here. I'm on the fence on acquiring Love. On one hand Love is proven, on the other hand I think both Sully and Olynyk have very high ceilings. They're two very young big guys who've put up significant numbers intermittently - that typically bodes well moving forward.

I really like Olynyk's overall game very much. I love Sully's toughness on the boards and in the paint. 

To me what we need most is a flat out top line scorer. With that being said, another route we could go is this. Melo can walk from NY this off season. New York can either get something back from him or let him walk for nothing.  Melo could say find a trade for me to Boston or I'm walking to sign with Houston or another team. Jeff Green, Bogan's expiring and the worst of our two first round picks next year - likely the Cllipper's pick, somewhere in the early 20's?

Trade for Asik, use our draft picks this year, re-sign Pierce, use the mid level...

Asik / Faverani / Iverson
Sully / Olynyk / Hump or Bass
Melo / Pierce / Crash
Bradley (mid level) / Marcus Smart / Chris Johnson
Rondo / Pressey / Peyton, Ennis or Napier?

#6 pick: Marcus Snmart?
#17 pick: Ennis / Elfrid Peyton / Napier?

I would be very comfortable heading into next season with that team. You let Sully and Olynyk continue developing.

But a core of Asik, Faverani, Sully, Olynyk, Hump or Bass, Melo, Pierce, Crash, Bradley, Smart, Rondo, Pressey? I think they contend in the east - big time.

melo and Sully would be an absolute load on the boards. You cna also move melo to PF for small ball, Pierce at the the three.

maybe you take Gordon with the 6th, move Pierce to the off guard back up?...

But I get triboy's point here. the good thing is we have "a lot" of ways to go this June - it will be very interesting. That's why Ainge is a great GM.

[D.o.s.]

I'd trade Sullinger for him in a heartbeat -- if only to get Sully off the Celtics.

You don't like our very poor man's Kyle Korver?

shots fired!

[gpap]

I kind of get triboy16f's point here. I'm on the fence on acquiring Love. On one hand Love is proven, on the other hand I think both Sully and Olynyk have very high ceilings. They're two very young big guys who've put up significant numbers intermittently - that typically bodes well moving forward.

I really like Olynyk's overall game very much. I love Sully's toughness on the boards and in the paint. 

To me what we need most is a flat out top line scorer. With that being said, another route we could go is this. Melo can walk from NY this off season. New York can either get something back from him or let him walk for nothing.  Melo could say find a trade for me to Boston or I'm walking to sign with Houston or another team. Jeff Green, Bogan's expiring and the worst of our two first round picks next year - likely the Cllipper's pick, somewhere in the early 20's?

Trade for Asik, use our draft picks this year, re-sign Pierce, use the mid level...

Asik / Faverani / Iverson
Sully / Olynyk / Hump or Bass
Melo / Pierce / Crash
Bradley (mid level) / Marcus Smart / Chris Johnson
Rondo / Pressey / Peyton, Ennis or Napier?

#6 pick: Marcus Snmart?
#17 pick: Ennis / Elfrid Peyton / Napier?

I would be very comfortable heading into next season with that team. You let Sully and Olynyk continue developing.

But a core of Asik, Faverani, Sully, Olynyk, Hump or Bass, Melo, Pierce, Crash, Bradley, Smart, Rondo, Pressey? I think they contend in the east - big time.

melo and Sully would be an absolute load on the boards. You cna also move melo to PF for small ball, Pierce at the the three.

maybe you take Gordon with the 6th, move Pierce to the off guard back up?...

But I get triboy's point here. the good thing is we have "a lot" of ways to go this June - it will be very interesting. That's why Ainge is a great GM.

Yea I could easily get behind that team.

[GreenWarrior]

I like sully as much as the next person but his height alone(at PF or C) makes me prefer Love over him. against the bigger, better players at those positions as much as he may hustle and play hard I see him more as a liability than anything. 

[nickagneta]

Sullinger and KO with better bodies will be better two way players than Love. At worse the combination production will surpass in what love can do. And u give up the 6th also?

This is just, well, ........

KO will be a better two way player than Love?!?!?!

Make KO's body as great as you want, his defense is awful. Its not getting a lot better with a better body, if he can even get his body in much better shape. He isn't suddenly going to have Lebron's body. In 5-6 years if he has a body like Kris Humphries, then maybe he becomes a below average to maybe average defender. But his defensive instincts, his ability to read plays, his lateral movement, his play on the pick and roll, his lack of explosion off an initial step, his inability to prevent initial positioning underneath, his rotational instincts, etc, are all among the worst in the NBA and aren't getting significantly better simply because he gets in better shape.

KO has some offensive potential and he hustles his ass off for probably 2 extra rebounds a game more than he would otherwise get with normal effort. But his defense is abysmal. While Love isn't the best defender, I can't see a defensive liability becoming so much better a player on the defensive side that he could be considered a better two way player than Love because Love's offensive game is so great.

Also, I love Sully, but I am not sure he will ever get in the type of shape that people could look at him and say he is in great shape. To max out his abilities he might just have to get meaner and stronger and not necessarily leaner. Heck he might have the type of body that can't get very lean. Eating habits and cardio with strengthening exercise will help but does he have that type of discipline?

Does Olynyk? I am pretty sure I read Ainge questioning whether Olynyk had the discipline in him to get into the type of shape he would need to get into to become more than just the player he is today, which, isn't that great.

Love is the better bet to be the best player of the three for about the next 3-5 years. Trade for Love.

[Smokeeye123]

I'm beginning to think triboy is just some elaborate troll, as it's hard to back up the idea that Olynyk is better or will ever be better than a 3x allstar and top 10 player in the league.

Triboy let me put it to you this way, Love was...

3rd in the ENTIRE NBA in Rebounds last season, with 12.5pg
4th in the ENTIRE NBA in Points scored last season, with 26.1pg
2nd in the ENTIRE NBA in overall efficiency last season at 30.2 (Only behind Durant)
3rd in the ENTIRE NBA in PER at 26.97
Had a 37.6% 3PT%, shot 82% from the line, averaged 4.5 assists per game, and he's only 25!!

BUT KELLY BLEEPING OLYNYK IS GOING TO BE A BETTER PLAYER THAN HIM SO WE SHOULDNT TRADE OLYNYK?!?!?! I'm sure Chris Johnson is untouchable on our team since he will SURELY develop into Michael Jordan. Chris Babb will also probably become Kobe, and Faverani will become Marc Gasol right?

My god lay off the loopy pills.

[fairweatherfan]

I'm beginning to think triboy is just some elaborate troll, as it's hard to back up the idea that Olynyk is better or will ever be better than a 3x allstar and top 10 player in the league.

Triboy let me put it to you this way, Love was...

3rd in the ENTIRE NBA in Rebounds last season, with 12.5pg
4th in the ENTIRE NBA in Points scored last season, with 26.1pg
2nd in the ENTIRE NBA in overall efficiency last season at 30.2 (Only behind Durant)
3rd in the ENTIRE NBA in PER at 26.97
Had a 37.6% 3PT%, shot 82% from the line, and averaged 4.5 assists per game.

BUT KELLY BLEEPING OLYNYK IS GOING TO BE A BETTER PLAYER THAN HIM SO WE SHOULDNT TRADE OLYNYK?!?!?!

My god lay off the loopy pills.

Y'know, I'd kind of tossed around the idea of making a tongue in cheek post about how a Love trade involving Olynyk would be terrible since Olynyk would clearly be the better player by the end of the year.  As usual reality is stranger than trolling.

[gpap]

Anybody going to the Kelly Olynyk hall of fame ceremony tomorrow night?

[badshar]

If it's actually detrimental to them, then they should be traded all the more. Shows they can't take pressure.

Wasn't Rondo in a ton of trade rumors at the time when the "Linsanity" stuff was going on in 2012? What happened when the Knicks and Lin came to town? Some people went as far as saying that Lin is better than Rondo and that the team should trade Rondo for Lin. I know there were only a few people who said that, but still.

Was that detrimental at all to Rondo's game? No way. It led to Rondo producing a historic game and shutting down all Linsanity stuff.

> Rondo had second triple double in three games, 4th of the season and 17th of his career.
> 18 points
> 20 assists
> 17 rebounds
> Was the shortest guy on the court.

That's the mentality you want, not someone who gets all "hurt" because he is in trade rumors.

[Tr1boy]

I'm beginning to think triboy is just some elaborate troll, as it's hard to back up the idea that Olynyk is better or will ever be better than a 3x allstar and top 10 player in the league.

Triboy let me put it to you this way, Love was...

3rd in the ENTIRE NBA in Rebounds last season, with 12.5pg
4th in the ENTIRE NBA in Points scored last season, with 26.1pg
2nd in the ENTIRE NBA in overall efficiency last season at 30.2 (Only behind Durant)
3rd in the ENTIRE NBA in PER at 26.97
Had a 37.6% 3PT%, shot 82% from the line, averaged 4.5 assists per game, and he's only 25!!

BUT KELLY BLEEPING OLYNYK IS GOING TO BE A BETTER PLAYER THAN HIM SO WE SHOULDNT TRADE OLYNYK?!?!?! I'm sure Chris Johnson is untouchable on our team since he will SURELY develop into Michael Jordan. Chris Babb will also probably become Kobe, and Faverani will become Marc Gasol right?

My god lay off the loopy pills.

Please read the posts properly instead of seeing that  love sux or ko will be better and  overreacting. 

I said two way player. Ko and sully will be better two way players I predict than love.

I dont care if love avgs 30 points a game like melo has close to before. If ur team doesnt  win who gives a care.

[Celtics4ever]

I said two way player. Ko and sully will be better two way players I predict than love.

As a two way player?   On the offensive end Love smears these guys.   Any edge they have on D, is clearly offset by Love's tremendous offensive capabilities.   It is not even close.  I don't see Sully or Love having a huge edge on him on defense at all.   But Love is hands down better on offense!   How that does make him an inferior player as a two way player?  I think it makes him better because he is a dominant offensive player and poor defender.   The other guys are mediocre at both ends and argubly poor defenders as well.

[blink]

I said two way player. Ko and sully will be better two way players I predict than love.

As a two way player?   On the offensive end Love smears these guys.   Any edge they have on D, is clearly offset by Love's tremendous offensive capabilities.   It is not even close.  I don't see Sully or Love having a huge edge on him on defense at all.   But Love is hands down better on offense!   How that does make him an inferior player as a two way player?  I think it makes him better because he is a dominant offensive player and poor defender.   The other guys are mediocre at both ends and argubly poor defenders as well.

Like  you said, not even close.

[Smokeeye123]

I'm beginning to think triboy is just some elaborate troll, as it's hard to back up the idea that Olynyk is better or will ever be better than a 3x allstar and top 10 player in the league.

Triboy let me put it to you this way, Love was...

3rd in the ENTIRE NBA in Rebounds last season, with 12.5pg
4th in the ENTIRE NBA in Points scored last season, with 26.1pg
2nd in the ENTIRE NBA in overall efficiency last season at 30.2 (Only behind Durant)
3rd in the ENTIRE NBA in PER at 26.97
Had a 37.6% 3PT%, shot 82% from the line, averaged 4.5 assists per game, and he's only 25!!

BUT KELLY BLEEPING OLYNYK IS GOING TO BE A BETTER PLAYER THAN HIM SO WE SHOULDNT TRADE OLYNYK?!?!?! I'm sure Chris Johnson is untouchable on our team since he will SURELY develop into Michael Jordan. Chris Babb will also probably become Kobe, and Faverani will become Marc Gasol right?

My god lay off the loopy pills.

Please read the posts properly instead of seeing that  love sux or ko will be better and  overreacting. 

I said two way player. Ko and sully will be better two way players I predict than love.

I dont care if love avgs 30 points a game like melo has close to before. If ur team doesnt  win who gives a care.

The reason the Timberwolves havent made the playoffs has little to zero to do with Love. The Western conference is brutal. The eighth seed in the west probably could of been the 4th seed in the east. The front office have also completely BLOWN nearly all their high lotto picks besides Love. Wesley Johnson with the 4th pick? Derrick Williams with the 2nd pick? Jonny Flippin' Flynn with the 6th pick back in 2009?

The Timberwolves are a joke of a franchise. If they had drafted well they could be one of the top 3 teams in the west right now, if not in the finals. Lebron James wouldn't even be able to carry those scrubs on his back to the playoffs why would you expect Love to? This is a front office problem not a Kevin Love problem.