This is the reason why i don't want Love as a Celtic

[Celtics4ever]

Minni makes the playoffs in the East with their record this year. You throw Love on this team with just getting rid of Sully and fillers, the C's make the playoffs, even could take the Atlantic. Get an other go too guy or defensive center, they are on Indy's level.

Making the playoffs is that the goal.   That could give us to years of medocrity.

I do think Love is better than anyone will we draft there or Sully just playing Devil's Advocate.

[Evantime34]

Ok let me just recap why people don't want love
1. His defense isn't elite

Well if you believe in defensive rating he would have been the best defender on the Celtics last year with his league average 104. Maybe he isn't perfect on defense, but Pierce and Allen were both known as poor defenders before they got here, maybe the same thing happens for Love. The last part of a defensive possession is securing the defensive rebound, in that way he should help prevent second chance shots. It's not like Love played against great defenders either. Corey Brewer is a good on the ball defender but his help defense went out the window when he realized he could score by leaking out early to have Love throw him outlets, Pekovic doesn't protect the rim at all, Rubio gambles for steals and Kevin Martin is rail thin. Add Rondo, Bradley and potentially Asik around Love and I would be shocked if Love's defense didn't look better.

2. Trading for Love is going to cost too much, we should just keep what we have

I am huge fans of both Olynyk and Sully (I expect we have to deal one but not both) but Love is 25 years old and already a top 15 player. Do you want to wait until our two guys plus picks develop to support a legit playoff team? I'm not willing to continue to pay money for games if they are just going to throw out the same young squad and I'm not alone. If we keep what we have who is to say Rondo doesn't get tired of rebuilding and in the time it took for our youngsters to develop he left the team? The package for Love brings in Love, but it also increases the likelihood Rondo stays and also the likelihood other free agents come to Boston. In business terms we are paying a premium for the synergy Love would bring to the Celtics.

3. Love gets paid too much

The market dictates what he is worth. I promise you if he hit free agency every team with cap space would be lining up to give him the max. There are probably less than 10 players in the league more deserving of a max contract and many more that get paid the same but aren't nearly as deserving as Love.

[hpantazo]

Minni makes the playoffs in the East with their record this year. You throw Love on this team with just getting rid of Sully and fillers, the C's make the playoffs, even could take the Atlantic. Get an other go too guy or defensive center, they are on Indy's level.

Making the playoffs is that the goal.   That could give us to years of medocrity.

I do think Love is better than anyone will we draft there or Sully just playing Devil's Advocate.

sure, making the playoffs is not the main goal, but all of this was in response to your statements that we shouldn't get Love because he never made the playoffs but Melo had

[kozlodoev]

defense, defense, horrible defense.  If you think KO is a bad defender, think again. Get ready to cringe

I see some plays in which Love was beat one on one on the perimeter. That's not the type of defense I'm worried about in a big.

[GreenWarrior]

defense, defense, horrible defense.  If you think KO is a bad defender, think again. Get ready to cringe

I see some plays in which Love was beat one on one on the perimeter. That's not the type of defense I'm worried about in a big.

exactly the point I tried making in one of these "no to Love" threads. in one of those videos he was forced to pick up rashard lewis & thadeus young. both are sf's, if he could defend sf's that'd be great but I wouldn't expect him to be able to.

oh and he also picked up Sheldon Williams who hit a BS shot on him. Love likely wasn't playing D on him because.......NO ONE BOTHERS TO PLAY D ON SHELDON FREAKING WILLIAMS!

[indeedproceed]

Kevin Love will make this thread look very alarmist once he actually starts playing. We'll all have Love jerseys within a month.

The guys defense, it's got issues. It's not the matador defense some would claim, but it's not a positive in his favor. But the notion that he's not worth pursuing because of that, ludicrous.

[Tr1boy]

Washington I hope offers Beal and makes this all go away.  If this was any other draft I would give up the 6th for a offensive weapon like love. But this draft is too strong and important to mess around with

Like some have said, KO is on his way to become like a love in terms of production anyways. Likely not as good bc he wont be able to chuck as many shots but stat per wise similar. Also on his way to be a better defender

We need to give the current lineup plus draft picks a year at least. If not satisfied by the trade deadline make adj instead

[kozlodoev]

defense, defense, horrible defense.  If you think KO is a bad defender, think again. Get ready to cringe

I see some plays in which Love was beat one on one on the perimeter. That's not the type of defense I'm worried about in a big.

exactly the point I tried making in one of these "no to Love" threads. in one of those videos he was forced to pick up rashard lewis & thadeus young. both are sf's, if he could defend sf's that'd be great but I wouldn't expect him to be able to.

oh and he also picked up Sheldon Williams who hit a BS shot on him. Love likely wasn't playing D on him because.......NO ONE BOTHERS TO PLAY D ON SHELDON FREAKING WILLIAMS!

That too. But I'm really not that concerned that he's giving up up perimeter jumpers off the dribble to people he's guarding. What I care about is that he'll be able to provide some semblance of team defense and won't miss rotations. But you can't really tell this from the highlights. And no, he's not going to be Ben Wallace, but that's ok.

[hpantazo]

Washington I hope offers Beal and makes this all go away.  If this was any other draft I would give up the 6th for a offensive weapon like love. But this draft is too strong and important to mess around with

Like some have said, KO is on his way to become like a love in terms of production anyways. Likely not as good bc he wont be able to chuck as many shots but stat per wise similar. Also on his way to be a better defender

We need to give the current lineup plus draft picks a year at least. If not satisfied by the trade deadline make adj instead

You know what happens if you give the current lineup a year? The value of our assets plummets when people start realizing they are not as good as we pretend they are (Sullinger, Olynyk, and our #6 pick) just like Bradley has done this past year. Then Rondo walks and we are stuck in mediocrity.

Meanwhile the Lakers grab Love and rebuild on the fly and pass us in number of banners.

[kozlodoev]

Washington I hope offers Beal and makes this all go away.  If this was any other draft I would give up the 6th for a offensive weapon like love. But this draft is too strong and important to mess around with

Like some have said, KO is on his way to become like a love in terms of production anyways. Likely not as good bc he wont be able to chuck as many shots but stat per wise similar. Also on his way to be a better defender

We need to give the current lineup plus draft picks a year at least. If not satisfied by the trade deadline make adj instead

You know what happens if you give the current lineup a year? The value of our assets plummets when people start realizing they are not as good as we pretend they are (Sullinger, Olynyk, and our #6 pick) just like Bradley has done this past year. Then Rondo walks and we are stuck in mediocrity.

Meanwhile the Lakers grab Love and rebuild on the fly and pass us in number of banners.

If Love can be had for a package centered around Sullinger and the 6th pick, it has to be done. IF the Timberwolves want to swap Buddinger for Green in the process, it's probably cool too. They can have Anthony, Pressey/Johnson, or Bradley in some sort of sign-and-trade to even out the salaries.

All of these scenarios seem like a small potatoes price to pay for a player of Love's caliber, even if he's not going to single-handedly save the franchise.

[vinnie]

26.1 PPG  (4th in the League)
12.5 RPG  (3rd in the League)
  4.4 APG  (1st among Power Forwards)
26.97 PER  (3rd in the League)
25 years old

Can we seriously stop with the not worth a max contract...players like this are who you build around.

This, a million times.

[GreenWarrior]

my only hesitance in signing him don't have much to do with him as a player at all. it's the uncertainty of weather we only have him a yr., the asking price from Minn.( I want to remain flexible and have the ability to get some other stars in here), there's definitely a limit to what i'd offer.

Love is not the player you throw all your assets away for, he's just not for the reasons stated in this thread. his D.

but he is a player that if you have a chance to get(& we do) you certainly try to get.

[playdream]

If we already have Melo/Asik/3 specialist than i am fine for trading for Love
but we don't have any of them now and we already have really good PF in KO+Sully who's C/P is so much better than Love(max salary)
If it's LBJ/KG you do the trade, but Not Love
our goal is for the ring, We should become the Heat, not the Pacers that get eliminated EVERYTIME , it's just pathetic to watch
The worst case is being very good but not good enough, and you will stuck there and can never
get the ring

[Boris Badenov]

defense, defense, horrible defense.  If you think KO is a bad defender, think again. Get ready to cringe

I see some plays in which Love was beat one on one on the perimeter. That's not the type of defense I'm worried about in a big.

exactly the point I tried making in one of these "no to Love" threads. in one of those videos he was forced to pick up rashard lewis & thadeus young. both are sf's, if he could defend sf's that'd be great but I wouldn't expect him to be able to.

oh and he also picked up Sheldon Williams who hit a BS shot on him. Love likely wasn't playing D on him because.......NO ONE BOTHERS TO PLAY D ON SHELDON FREAKING WILLIAMS!

I'd go one step further. I would not be surprised if every opposing coach said something like "If Shelden Williams is on the floor, our primary defensive goal is getting him rather than anyone else to take the shot."

Leaving Shelden Williams open might be the smartest defensive play you can make.

[CoachBo]

Kevin Love will make this thread look very alarmist once he actually starts playing. We'll all have Love jerseys within a month.

The guys defense, it's got issues. It's not the matador defense some would claim, but it's not a positive in his favor. But the notion that he's not worth pursuing because of that, ludicrous.

Ludicrous, indeed. Love has the physical ability to play solid team defense.

As is this mind-boggling fascination with obsessing over unknown players - all with significant limitations at the 6, and beyond - over a proven NBA star.

This is one of those times I just wonder if some understand the tradition of the Boston Celtics. This franchise is not the Toronto Raptors, living on hope.