Like it or not, Ainge in driver's seat for Love

[ctrey]

There is a wild card here: Love controlling where he wants to go. He can simply say "I will not sign there." That makes all of this pure speculation. Ultimately I think Boston ranks 4th behind these three teams: Lakers, Warriors and Rockets.

[kozlodoev]

There is a wild card here: Love controlling where he wants to go. He can simply say "I will not sign there." That makes all of this pure speculation. Ultimately I think Boston ranks 4th behind these three teams: Lakers, Warriors and Rockets.

Ainge has said he'd trade for Love without an extension.

[slamtheking]

1.  Cavs will not offer #1 pick.
2.  Sixers will not offer #3 pick.
3.  Golden State will not offer Klay Thompson in a package.
4.  Wizards will not offer up Bradley Beal.
5.  Lakers and Knicks do not have the assets.
6.  Houston will not offer Harden, and otherwise do not have the assets.
7.  Chicago is interesting, but the best pick they can offer is #16.
8.  Ok City will not offer Westbrook.
9.  Pheonix is intriguing (like Chicago), but their best pick is #14. 

Multiple 1sts and Bledsoe from Suns might be closest, realistic competition.  But I believe Ainge can beat that too, IF HE WANTS TO DO SO. 

My final offer would be Sullinger, Bogans, Anthony + expirings, 2014 #6 pick, 2015 and 2016 Celtic 1sts.  Brooklyn picks?  NO.  Four 1sts?  NO.  Even the offer I have presented is probably too much. 

I also like the idea of trading our picks so Cs fans don't have to sit and cheer for losses at any point of the next two seasons.

1.  Cavs will not offer #1 pick. --> not necessarily.  they're trying to keep Kyrie happy.  bringing in Love and resigning Deng would help in that effort.  If Waiters can finally get it together a line-up of Kyrie, Waiters, Deng, Love and AV would make a lot of noise in the East.

My final offer would be Sullinger, Bogans, Anthony + expirings, 2014 #6 pick, 2015 and 2016 Celtic 1sts.  Brooklyn picks?  NO.  Four 1sts?  NO.  Even the offer I have presented is probably too much.   --> agree, too much.  Sully, non-guaranteed contracts, #6 and one of the following: #17, AB S&T, lesser of C's/Clips picks in 2015.  gives them salary relief, a PF prospect that could be 80% of Love and still cost-controlled, the #6 pick in a loaded draft and one of 3 options for cheap prospects under cost control.  They would have at least 2 starters in Sully and the #6 immediately.  That's provided Love agrees to an extension.  if not, take #6 off the table and substitute with either a 2016 or 2018 pick that's the lesser of the C's/Nets picks.
Completely agree on the Brooklyn picks --> they're going nowhere.  Unless Brooklyn pulls off a roster miracle next year, those 3 picks will be in the lottery and they're all unprotected.  Even with Love added to the team in an attempt to 'win now', it'd be foolish to throw away an opportunity to land the top pick in the draft --> especially considering Love's health history and his now established desire to be a mercenary looking for a loaded team to contend on.

I also like the idea of trading our picks so Cs fans don't have to sit and cheer for losses at any point of the next two seasons. --> horrible reason for trading picks.  I didn't care for the rooting for losses here either but no way I would consider trading picks to cut the negativism. 

[saltlover]

There is a wild card here: Love controlling where he wants to go. He can simply say "I will not sign there." That makes all of this pure speculation. Ultimately I think Boston ranks 4th behind these three teams: Lakers, Warriors and Rockets.

Ainge has said he'd trade for Love without an extension.

I think those are different things.  Ainge doesn't expect Love to sign an extension (although one would certainly be offered) because it doesn't make sense for Love to do so.  Understanding this, Ainge isn't going to stand on ceremony about it.  This is the same thing with Rondo, and why Rondo won't be traded simply because he hasn't signed an extension.  Ainge feels that by being able to at least match any offer made to the players due to having their Bird rights, he'll be able to keep them in Boston, and so isn't concerned about an extension.

However, if Love's agent told Ainge that Love didn't see himself wanting to stay in Boston after this year, even if offered a max deal, I think that Ainge would back away from a trade.

[GreenWarrior]

I honestly can't believe some of the proposed trade scenarios to get Love here. I want him, I like him as a player but he's not worth multiple 1sts. imo. our 6th, sully, & any number of players(minus rondo) to make the salaries work & maybe our 17th...but i'm not too big on that either

I look at this like trading for Asik. we have teams that are looking to get something, anything in return for players that don't want to be there. Now is the time to undersell.

like I said I do want Love here but there are multiple stipulations that go along with him coming here.

 - Rondo stays
 - Getting Love is a prelude to more moves to get 2 more stars here
 - we remain flexible to acquire these other stars
 - we don't overpay for love
 - we don't use the Brooklyn picks(i'd like to see what those become)

[D.o.s.]

There is a wild card here: Love controlling where he wants to go. He can simply say "I will not sign there." That makes all of this pure speculation. Ultimately I think Boston ranks 4th behind these three teams: Lakers, Warriors and Rockets.

Ainge has said he'd trade for Love without an extension.

I think those are different things.  Ainge doesn't expect Love to sign an extension (although one would certainly be offered) because it doesn't make sense for Love to do so.  Understanding this, Ainge isn't going to stand on ceremony about it.  This is the same thing with Rondo, and why Rondo won't be traded simply because he hasn't signed an extension.  Ainge feels that by being able to at least match any offer made to the players due to having their Bird rights, he'll be able to keep them in Boston, and so isn't concerned about an extension.

However, if Love's agent told Ainge that Love didn't see himself wanting to stay in Boston after this year, even if offered a max deal, I think that Ainge would back away from a trade.

Agreed.

[slamtheking]

There is a wild card here: Love controlling where he wants to go. He can simply say "I will not sign there." That makes all of this pure speculation. Ultimately I think Boston ranks 4th behind these three teams: Lakers, Warriors and Rockets.

Ainge has said he'd trade for Love without an extension.

I think those are different things.  Ainge doesn't expect Love to sign an extension (although one would certainly be offered) because it doesn't make sense for Love to do so.  Understanding this, Ainge isn't going to stand on ceremony about it.  This is the same thing with Rondo, and why Rondo won't be traded simply because he hasn't signed an extension.  Ainge feels that by being able to at least match any offer made to the players due to having their Bird rights, he'll be able to keep them in Boston, and so isn't concerned about an extension.

However, if Love's agent told Ainge that Love didn't see himself wanting to stay in Boston after this year, even if offered a max deal, I think that Ainge would back away from a trade.

Agreed.

Agreed X 2

[MBunge]

- we don't use the Brooklyn picks(i'd like to see what those become)

You don't want to overpay for Love but you also can't fixate on an unknown future.  I mean, this is supposed so be an unusually strong draft and the odds are still that Love is as good or better than anyone who'll be picked this year.

Mike

[Evantime34]

I honestly can't believe some of the proposed trade scenarios to get Love here. I want him, I like him as a player but he's not worth multiple 1sts. imo. our 6th, sully, & any number of players(minus rondo) to make the salaries work & maybe our 17th...but i'm not too big on that either

I look at this like trading for Asik. we have teams that are looking to get something, anything in return for players that don't want to be there. Now is the time to undersell.

like I said I do want Love here but there are multiple stipulations that go along with him coming here.

 - Rondo stays
 - Getting Love is a prelude to more moves to get 2 more stars here
 - we remain flexible to acquire these other stars
 - we don't overpay for love
 - we don't use the Brooklyn picks(i'd like to see what those become)

So you wouldn't do a deal if Minnesota wouldn't take less than 3 firsts? How about if they would only take two firsts?

While we don't want to bid against ourselves, I think we also need to make sure we are the highest bidder. If he is the player that can make us attractive to top level talent then it is worth slightly overpaying for him because his total value is more than just his production.

[GreenWarrior]

- we don't use the Brooklyn picks(i'd like to see what those become)

You don't want to overpay for Love but you also can't fixate on an unknown future.  I mean, this is supposed so be an unusually strong draft and the odds are still that Love is as good or better than anyone who'll be picked this year.

Mike

i'm not fixated on an unknown future. and I agree with not doing that.

the only way i'm trading those Brooklyn picks is for someone that is going to put us over the top and make us serious championship contenders. Love alone doesn't do that. if he was KG at 25 then yes absolutely we should throw whatever Minny would want at 'em. but he's not, he would be the equivalent of Ray Allen in the big 3 scenario. he'd be the 3rd wheel.

like I stated in my previous post i'm willing to give up both this yr's 1st rnd. picks but I do feel adding the 17th is a little too much. but if that's the straw that gets the deal done then fine. 

[GreenWarrior]

I honestly can't believe some of the proposed trade scenarios to get Love here. I want him, I like him as a player but he's not worth multiple 1sts. imo. our 6th, sully, & any number of players(minus rondo) to make the salaries work & maybe our 17th...but i'm not too big on that either

I look at this like trading for Asik. we have teams that are looking to get something, anything in return for players that don't want to be there. Now is the time to undersell.

like I said I do want Love here but there are multiple stipulations that go along with him coming here.

 - Rondo stays
 - Getting Love is a prelude to more moves to get 2 more stars here
 - we remain flexible to acquire these other stars
 - we don't overpay for love
 - we don't use the Brooklyn picks(i'd like to see what those become)

So you wouldn't do a deal if Minnesota wouldn't take less than 3 firsts? How about if they would only take two firsts?

While we don't want to bid against ourselves, I think we also need to make sure we are the highest bidder. If he is the player that can make us attractive to top level talent then it is worth slightly overpaying for him because his total value is more than just his production.

sorry I should have been more clear. i'm not using those Brooklyn picks to acquire Love. i'd seriously have to think about giving Minny 3 1sts though. Love is not KG. we don't have to overpay for this guy.

[Celtics4ever]

Danny Ainge just told us that he would be open to trading for a high caliber player in their last year without an agreement to an extension.

This is the comment that makes people think it is Love.  Ainge didn't mention Love, and has always said everyone is tradeable if the deal is right.

My final offer would be Sullinger, Bogans, Anthony + expirings, 2014 #6 pick, 2015 and 2016 Celtic 1sts.  Brooklyn picks? 

 

The Salaries do not match up. Anthony has a right to refuse any trade.  I think your offer  is too much.    I would toss out Sully, Bass and  Bogans and the # 6 pick for starters and see if they needed some more sugar to get the deal done.  Then offer one first at a time but I do not know if I would offer three.  My limit would be two.

[GreenWarrior]

I just think once Love's name was mentioned as a possibility to come here. everyone got it in their mind that "we have to do everything we can to get this guy here!!!!!"

it would be real nice to see Love in Boston but it's not the only option and he's not a guy that instantly turns this franchise around. so we shouldn't mortgage the future to get him here leaving us unable to put other players around him.

does anyone remember what the lakers gave up for Pau Gasol? and at the time would you consider Gasol at the same level of Love is now? better? worse?

I just remember the lakers pretty much stole him from Memphis and really didn't give up much to get him.

[Moranis]

I think the Lakers could actually make a fairly attractive offer, but it would be during free agency because the Lakers would at that time potentially have cap room to absorb a lot of Minnesota's bad contracts.  For example, LA could trade Nash and whomever they drafted at 7 for Love, Martin, Brewer, Barea, and Budinger (or any such combination). They could also sign and trade them Pau Gasol (who would be a decent fit next to Pekovic).  

Now obviously that can't happen until free agency and thus Minnesota wouldn't be able to control the 7th pick, but if LA took someone Minnesota was interested in at that spot that sort of trade could happen.

Good point. Only thing there though is if you're Pau Gasol, why would you agree to play in Minnesota?

Speaking of which, I thought sign and trades had to be a separate transaction from other players getting dealt. Is this true?

I believe they changed that rule (I mean we acquired Bogans in the deal last summer), but even if they didn't you can just make it a separate transaction.

As for Pau, he would get to play with his fellow countryman Rubio and at PF next to Pekovic.  Assuming the dollars were good it isn't like it would be a terrible situation for him (and let's face it Minnesota isn't a bad team winning 40 games in the West, sure losing Love hurts, but Pau and likely the rookie aren't exactly chopped liver).

[Humble G]

the lakers gave up rights to Marc Gasol, 2 future firsts ('08 and '10)  plus garbage(kwame and mckie)

in comparison id say we should start with offer of Sully, #6 pick and a future first (idc what one) + garbage(bogans, Bass)

Sota drafts Smart, moves martin to SF (he is 6'7)

lineup of: Rubio, Smart, Martin, Sully, Pekovic with Bass, Budinger .......not an awful team plus they save some money