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Re: IF we do not get Love what to do
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2014, 07:17:17 PM »

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Pick the best player available... explore trading Rondo... tank/develop and figure it out later.

We'll probably end up having a team with 4 PFs... Bass, Sully, Oly and Gordon.

Yeah I agree with this. Trade Rondo and tank again next year.

Hope Sullinger morphs into David West/Paul Millsap next year. and Olynyk becomes Dirk-lite.

LOL. And Jeff Green is going to turn into Michael Jordan.

I was kidding with Olynyk, but I actually believe Sullinger has the potential to be as good as David West/Millsap. Sully played out of position last year, had hand problems, and still put up very good numbers.


Re: IF we do not get Love what to do
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2014, 07:21:47 PM »

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Also everyone moaning and complaining that we didnt tank better needs to chill. If we gutted the roster like the Sixers did we would have worse trade assets to land a guy like Love. Besides, what's past is past.

I think next year we will be late lottery. To some people's dismay unless we get Love. We will have money to try and chase free agents like Marc Gasol (hey Marc, you'll be closer to Europe here in Boston  ;D ) and the future will still be bright unlike some of you are trying to spin.

Re: IF we do not get Love what to do
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2014, 07:41:01 PM »

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Pick the best player available... explore trading Rondo... tank/develop and figure it out later.


I'm coming around to this view as well. We'll have another good draft pick of our own in what I think is supposed to be another good draft, and those BKN picks could become quite valuable. Who knows, maybe by this time next year Indy will have imploded completely and we will be able to trade for George. Not saying I think that's likely - I'm just saying you don't know, and patience is sometimes a virtue.

Not in favor of giving Rondo away though. If we can get a bona fide budding star I can see it, but otherwise I'd say hang on to him. As long as he has the right (i.e. wrong) kind of players surrounding him, he's not going to propel us into mediocrity all by himself. I think we learned that this year.

The big downside of course is suffering through another year of awful basketball and moves clearly intended to make us worse now (e.g., Courtney Lee). But I'd prefer to wait until we have a good chance at a top 10 player before starting to really cash in all of our chips.

No thanks. I'd rather return to being competitive this season rather than endure another losing season.

And after getting burnt again by the lottery, I can't believe anyone would want to tank again along with the slim CHANCE that another star player might be on the trade market next summer.

Yet another member of the "instant gratification" generation - how truly sad... :) ;)

Re: IF we do not get Love what to do
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2014, 07:52:35 PM »

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I'm sure you thought Ainge was "sad" in the summer of 2007, also.

Bad basketball isn't worth watching, and neither were the Celtics this year. League Pass should pay me to watch that stuff.

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Re: IF we do not get Love what to do
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2014, 07:55:43 PM »

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Pick the best player available... explore trading Rondo... tank/develop and figure it out later.


I'm coming around to this view as well. We'll have another good draft pick of our own in what I think is supposed to be another good draft, and those BKN picks could become quite valuable. Who knows, maybe by this time next year Indy will have imploded completely and we will be able to trade for George. Not saying I think that's likely - I'm just saying you don't know, and patience is sometimes a virtue.

Not in favor of giving Rondo away though. If we can get a bona fide budding star I can see it, but otherwise I'd say hang on to him. As long as he has the right (i.e. wrong) kind of players surrounding him, he's not going to propel us into mediocrity all by himself. I think we learned that this year.

The big downside of course is suffering through another year of awful basketball and moves clearly intended to make us worse now (e.g., Courtney Lee). But I'd prefer to wait until we have a good chance at a top 10 player before starting to really cash in all of our chips.

No thanks. I'd rather return to being competitive this season rather than endure another losing season.

And after getting burnt again by the lottery, I can't believe anyone would want to tank again along with the slim CHANCE that another star player might be on the trade market next summer.

Yet another member of the "instant gratification" generation - how truly sad... :) ;)

Instant gratification? No....more like the generation of wanting to see my favorite team actually win and have good players.

Re: IF we do not get Love what to do
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2014, 08:08:19 PM »

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Pick the best player available... explore trading Rondo... tank/develop and figure it out later.


I'm coming around to this view as well. We'll have another good draft pick of our own in what I think is supposed to be another good draft, and those BKN picks could become quite valuable. Who knows, maybe by this time next year Indy will have imploded completely and we will be able to trade for George. Not saying I think that's likely - I'm just saying you don't know, and patience is sometimes a virtue.

Not in favor of giving Rondo away though. If we can get a bona fide budding star I can see it, but otherwise I'd say hang on to him. As long as he has the right (i.e. wrong) kind of players surrounding him, he's not going to propel us into mediocrity all by himself. I think we learned that this year.

The big downside of course is suffering through another year of awful basketball and moves clearly intended to make us worse now (e.g., Courtney Lee). But I'd prefer to wait until we have a good chance at a top 10 player before starting to really cash in all of our chips.

No thanks. I'd rather return to being competitive this season rather than endure another losing season.

And after getting burnt again by the lottery, I can't believe anyone would want to tank again along with the slim CHANCE that another star player might be on the trade market next summer.

Yet another member of the "instant gratification" generation - how truly sad... :) ;)

Instant gratification? No....more like the generation of wanting to see my favorite team actually win and have good players.

I understand and concur, but I just don't see the Celts as any kind of contender next season, regardless of the moves DA may be able to make.  2015-6 is where we may well see such improvement in the roster.

There have been plenty of wins and even a title since 2007-8, so I'm sure you saw that.  I personally remember a nice patch in the mid-1970's (2 titles), 1980's (3 titles) and the previously mentioned 2007-8 squad.  I also remember some down, and at times, very dark periods in between those eras of real success. 

Don't fret, we'll lose frequently next season too, but you'll find the inner strength and resolve to cross the bridge to the next golden era, and when we get there, you'll savor that success even more... :D ;)

Re: IF we do not get Love what to do
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2014, 06:16:10 PM »

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Acquire Asik, make the playoffs, and put the team in a position to be attractive to a star looking for a change of address.

This.
DKC Seventy-Sixers:

PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: IF we do not get Love what to do
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2014, 07:14:23 PM »

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Pick the best player available... explore trading Rondo... tank/develop and figure it out later.


I'm coming around to this view as well. We'll have another good draft pick of our own in what I think is supposed to be another good draft, and those BKN picks could become quite valuable. Who knows, maybe by this time next year Indy will have imploded completely and we will be able to trade for George. Not saying I think that's likely - I'm just saying you don't know, and patience is sometimes a virtue.

Not in favor of giving Rondo away though. If we can get a bona fide budding star I can see it, but otherwise I'd say hang on to him. As long as he has the right (i.e. wrong) kind of players surrounding him, he's not going to propel us into mediocrity all by himself. I think we learned that this year.

The big downside of course is suffering through another year of awful basketball and moves clearly intended to make us worse now (e.g., Courtney Lee). But I'd prefer to wait until we have a good chance at a top 10 player before starting to really cash in all of our chips.

No thanks. I'd rather return to being competitive this season rather than endure another losing season.

And after getting burnt again by the lottery, I can't believe anyone would want to tank again along with the slim CHANCE that another star player might be on the trade market next summer.

Yet another member of the "instant gratification" generation - how truly sad... :) ;)

Instant gratification? No....more like the generation of wanting to see my favorite team actually win and have good players.

I understand and concur, but I just don't see the Celts as any kind of contender next season, regardless of the moves DA may be able to make.  2015-6 is where we may well see such improvement in the roster.

There have been plenty of wins and even a title since 2007-8, so I'm sure you saw that.  I personally remember a nice patch in the mid-1970's (2 titles), 1980's (3 titles) and the previously mentioned 2007-8 squad.  I also remember some down, and at times, very dark periods in between those eras of real success. 

Don't fret, we'll lose frequently next season too, but you'll find the inner strength and resolve to cross the bridge to the next golden era, and when we get there, you'll savor that success even more... :D ;)

How long have you been a fan? Sounds like you've been a Celts fan before I was a twinkle in my father's eye ;D

Re: IF we do not get Love what to do
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2014, 08:51:42 PM »

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Trade Rondo and JAnthony to Indy for Hibbert.
Pick MSmart with #6.
Trade #17 to Utah for their 23 and 35.  Pick up a SF(?Kyle Anderson) and WTaveras in 2nd round.
Sign LStevenson as FA.

Smart,PPressey, Bayless
Stevenson, AB , CJohnson
JGreen, Wallace, Anderson
Sully, KO, Hump, Bass
Hibbert, Vitor, Taveras (yeah! three seven footers +)

Yeah, I know it's sixteen players, and I'm no capologist----I'll leave that to Danny!  But, good D, I think enough scoring, speed, athleticism, and yes--RIM PROTECTION!!!!

Re: IF we do not get Love what to do
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2014, 12:36:39 AM »

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Celebrate.

Hi, first-time/long-time here, so be gentle as I ramble.  From what I've seen of the numbers tossed around for Love, he's gotten way overvalued.  I'm not saying the guy isn't great, but three, four first-rounders?  I don't think so, especially for A) a guy who can't play D and B) someone who's unlikely to sign a long-term deal as part of a sign and trade, since he can get paid better by waiting until the summer to sign.

I'm a season-ticket holder, and frankly, it sucks knowing that we're rebuilding.  I hate going to the games and watching the C's lose, and I know that the package we got for Garnett and Pierce, which I believe is just short of grand larceny, will take a few years to pay off.  But it will pay off: Brooklyn is going to suck, and we have their 2016, 17 and 18 picks (assuming that we will be better than they are in 17).  The only thing that sucks worse than waiting 3-5 years is giving up a huge chunk of that future for a guy who might not be around more than two in an effort to win now, which we can't do, even with Rondo and Love.

I'm okay going after Asik.  Heck, I'm okay going after Asik and Love.  But what I'm not okay with is trading away the second half of this decade to do so. 

I know we've never been a big destination for free agents (when Xavier McDaniel counts as your best free agent signing, you've got issues), but if we had Rondo and, say, Asik (who we couldn't get with the TPE but could get with only one or two future assets), perhaps we could convince a third (and even fourth, given an upcoming increase in the cap) to be willing to come here to win a championship, a la Garnett agreeing to be traded here.

Hey, if we could get Love as part of a S&T for #6, 17 and Sully, I'm all over it.  But I don't think that's going to get the job done and, if Love really wants to be in California, he'll just stick it out for a year and let the bidding begin next summer.

Mike

Re: IF we do not get Love what to do
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2014, 12:48:38 AM »

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WHY is Love worth two first and Sully? I just don't get it.

Re: IF we do not get Love what to do
« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2014, 01:02:54 AM »

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WHY is Love worth two first and Sully? I just don't get it.

Because he is a MVP-caliber player.  If you don't accept that assessment of his talent level, there's really no hope that we can agree on anything here.
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Re: IF we do not get Love what to do
« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2014, 05:06:34 AM »

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I bet you we could agree to disagree. lol.

MVP caliber? Really?

Re: IF we do not get Love what to do
« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2014, 07:18:22 AM »

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Because he is a MVP-caliber player.

I don't think he is an MVP type player either.  He is very productive but MVP?   C'mon, that is a stretch.

That being said, I 'd love to get him if the price was right but I have concerns about his porous D.