Simmon's Kevin Love to Boston Scenario

[clover]

Don't like post, or trade proposal at all.. 4 picks? Ainge shouldn't trade away the future like that for Love... 2-3 picks should be the max... And 2 honestly should be good enough in my own opinion.

Four first-round picks and Sully for one year of Love?

We're officially in the NBA silly season.

[Irish Stew]

To those that oppose a Love trade, you do understand that if we don't become competitive next year, Rondo will probably leave for New york, Houston or LA. At that point we will back at ground zero. You need to have 3 all-stars to win a title and we will have none. No big time free agent is coming here under that scenario. Three number ones, Sullinger and expiring contracts are a very reasonable price for a 20-10 guy in the prime of his career. If they demand salary relief from Kevin Martin's contract, that would be easy with our nonguaranteed contracts. If you think Ainge got all of those draft choices to draft 9 or 10 teenagers, you're mistaken. Our last championship was created by using our draft assets to bring in Allen and Garnett.

[BballTim]

Simmons is an idiot. No way ainge trades all those pickd

  Agree on both counts.

[jambr380]

If Love isn't sign to a long term contract, then I wouldn't do it..if they trade for Love and he bolt after one season, it will sent this franchise back another 5-7 years

Yeah, this is a big reservation of mine as well.  If the Celtics surrender so many assets for Love (and Asik) and things don't go swimmingly that first season, the Cs could see Rondo, Love, and Asik all leave in free agency. 

The Celtics would be left with a great lot of nothing.  Hope you're ready to suck for the next ten years.

Yeah....and Stevens would quit too.   He an't no tanker......he isn't tanking one more year , much less 10 on purpose.   I think when you put those three players together ....it HAS to be under a contract for multiple years ......I don' see how you can trade off all the young players and picks for a one year rental ......with failure resulting in the the coach fleeing too.

Lakers can take chances like this....because they historically can reload at the drop of a hat ......the Celtics would be disaster city for a very long time.

A rental had to be A lot cheaper in terms of assets out.......

This would be the worst trade in Celtics history IMO. Worse than Billups for Anderson. We'd be almost fully negating the enduring awesomeness that is the Brooklyn trade for a moderate upgrade at our current position of greatest strength. We would lose all of our flexibility to arbitrarily become a fringe contender at the absolute wrong time in the rebuild. The Celtics are currently poised to compete for a 6-8 seed next year while filling long-term holes through this draft AND freeing up a TON of salary and making a huge FA splash in 2015. Making that splash even better, we'll have a far clearer picture of our current players and team identity. Making this trade now would leave us at mercy of free agents that would rather live in a warmer climate.

On a more fundamental level: the trade proposed would have the Celtics overpay by about 200% in terms of strict value IMO. The Bogans and Bass contracts are both extremely valuable: Bogans as a trade chip and Bass to free up salary for next year. I wouldn't mind moving next year's picks for Love given that neither would be a lottery pick (in all likelihood), but the Celtics need fresh legs at multiple positions now- regardless of whether or not Love is on the team. Moreover, this proposed trade would rob the Celtics of nearly any asset necessary to obtain a rim-protector to compliment Love, that is unless you want to give away EVEN more pieces.

These Love trades are just a bribe to the wolves for essentially allowing Love to enter FA a year early. It's nonsense, especially when you look at Love's career stats and realize that he was only slightly more productive than Sully at 22 years old. The Celtics are much better off drafting two guys this year, re-signing Bradley, and bringing in an affordable stop-gap rim-protector on the cheap to help this team gel and make the playoffs before big offseason moves in 2015.

I agree with all of this if the price for Love is THAT high as Simmons laid it out, pass. Im hoping Phil gets desperate and we can steal Melo from the Knicks somehow

Yeah, I am not an enormous Carmelo fan, but he pretty much fits the bill as a disgruntled Pierce looking for a change - he would fit in very well with Boston. If Kevin Love is going to cost as much as proposed, then I totally pass. He is good, but I think people are overrating him a little on this board because he's actually attainable (although people were stammering for Aldridge last year when he wasn't sure about staying in Por - and I would rather have him than Love).

[JBcat]

Was just thinking if Lebron decides to head back to Cleveland it will probably push Cleveland's ownership to trade their number 1 pick for Love.  If Lebron stays in Miami my guess is they might just keep the pick.  A Love Irving led team would be good but maybe not enough to entice Love to stay. 

So for people who want Love in Boston we might have to root for Lebron to stay in Miami so we are next in line for a trade partner.  Weird.

[McHales Pits]

Why do people think LeBron will go back to Cleveland? I don't see it...

[CoachBo]

To those that oppose a Love trade, you do understand that if we don't become competitive next year, Rondo will probably leave for New york, Houston or LA. At that point we will back at ground zero. You need to have 3 all-stars to win a title and we will have none. No big time free agent is coming here under that scenario. Three number ones, Sullinger and expiring contracts are a very reasonable price for a 20-10 guy in the prime of his career. If they demand salary relief from Kevin Martin's contract, that would be easy with our nonguaranteed contracts. If you think Ainge got all of those draft choices to draft 9 or 10 teenagers, you're mistaken. Our last championship was created by using our draft assets to bring in Allen and Garnett.

Indeed, although you realize that some here have contended that Rondo loves the Celtics as much as they love him, apparently, and would never, ever leave.

Living on Fantasy Island can be an ugly thing at times.

I am inclined to think that four picks is a tad much. Three is about right - if Minny doesn't insist on the Celtics absorbing a Martin contract, although at least with Martin, you get some production for overpaying, unlike the horror of the Gerald Wallace deal.

With that said, there's NO chance I would allow Kevin Love to slip away by lowballing Minny. None whatsoever. Agree with you entirely - Rondo is outta here at the end of next season if he's surrounded with the same collection of flotsam as last year.

[CoachBo]

I am pretty sure Love already said he is open to resigning with the C's if DA has a plan.

No he has not. Closest thing is Love's camp saying 'he wants to play for a winning franchise'. people have based this as meaning that Love would resign here which might not be the case.

Don't believe this is accurate.

[aporel#18]

"just one year of love
is better than a lifetime alone..." NO

Love screams "Laker" to me, let other GMs enter a bidding war for Love.

Let the kids develop and accumulate assets for February 2015 and go for Marc Gasol. Chris Wallace just has taken over and he owes the Celtics a lot not only for his days here, but for giving the Fakers 2 championships with the Gasol trade.

In two years Sully will be better than Love, and Kelly could be the best out of the three.

[BballTim]

To those that oppose a Love trade, you do understand that if we don't become competitive next year, Rondo will probably leave for New york, Houston or LA. At that point we will back at ground zero. You need to have 3 all-stars to win a title and we will have none. No big time free agent is coming here under that scenario. Three number ones, Sullinger and expiring contracts are a very reasonable price for a 20-10 guy in the prime of his career. If they demand salary relief from Kevin Martin's contract, that would be easy with our nonguaranteed contracts. If you think Ainge got all of those draft choices to draft 9 or 10 teenagers, you're mistaken. Our last championship was created by using our draft assets to bring in Allen and Garnett.

Indeed, although you realize that some here have contended that Rondo loves the Celtics as much as they love him, apparently, and would never, ever leave.

Living on Fantasy Island can be an ugly thing at times.

  Some here actually pay some attention to what Rondo's actually said as opposed to basing their comments on speculation from people who generally don't have any idea what they're talking about. For instance:

  http://nba.si.com/2013/10/09/rajon-rondo-commitment-boston-celtics/?xid=nl_siextra

  "And Rondo continues to insist that all changes considered, he wouldn?t want to be anywhere else.

?I love it here, the fans are great here, (president of basketball operations) Danny (Ainge) has been straight with me, so why would I want to leave?? he said. ?Why would I want out? This is a brand new start for us as a team.?"

  That was widely publicized, and he's made similar comments at other times. It doesn't mean that he'd "never ever leave", but the only fantasy in the situation is your post.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

To those that oppose a Love trade, you do understand that if we don't become competitive next year, Rondo will probably leave for New york, Houston or LA. At that point we will back at ground zero. You need to have 3 all-stars to win a title and we will have none. No big time free agent is coming here under that scenario. Three number ones, Sullinger and expiring contracts are a very reasonable price for a 20-10 guy in the prime of his career. If they demand salary relief from Kevin Martin's contract, that would be easy with our nonguaranteed contracts. If you think Ainge got all of those draft choices to draft 9 or 10 teenagers, you're mistaken. Our last championship was created by using our draft assets to bring in Allen and Garnett.

Indeed, although you realize that some here have contended that Rondo loves the Celtics as much as they love him, apparently, and would never, ever leave.

Living on Fantasy Island can be an ugly thing at times.

I am inclined to think that four picks is a tad much. Three is about right - if Minny doesn't insist on the Celtics absorbing a Martin contract, although at least with Martin, you get some production for overpaying, unlike the horror of the Gerald Wallace deal.

With that said, there's NO chance I would allow Kevin Love to slip away by lowballing Minny. None whatsoever. Agree with you entirely - Rondo is outta here at the end of next season if he's surrounded with the same collection of flotsam as last year.

After we gut the team and pay RR and Love what team do we have anyway? As if RR is gonna thinks Love is the answer to getting a chip. Who else are we adding after Love is the question. Forget RR leaving, what stops Love from leaving when he realises we will make the playoffs but can't afford to get better to win a chip because his deal cleaned us out. We are gonna have 7 Hollins on the bench playing for vet min... if the good vets didn't come for PP and KG whene we were good enoughto be a stones throw from the finals, why are they coming now? Again without players left for the bench after the Love deal, we are going to need like 7 vet min players Lol.

[JBcat]

Why do people think LeBron will go back to Cleveland? I don't see it...

Let's say that does happen, then I think Miami instantly puts Bosh on the block and go's into a full rebuild.   We would be among the few teams that could put package together that Bosh might agree to an extension all while not giving up as much for Love since he is older. 

[Irish Stew]

To those who believe that Rondo would not leave or force Boston to trade him if he believes that the Celtics roster is years away from being a good one, I have a bridge in Brooklyn on the real estate market. For example, let's quickly review the Celtics acquisition of Kevin Garnett from the Wolves. One minute Garnett was saying that Boston had a poor racial climate and he wanted to finish his career in Minnesota. The next he was holding up a Celtic jersey at a press conference. Talk is cheap when reality sets in that you are stuck in a hopeless situation.

[BballTim]

To those who believe that Rondo would not leave or force Boston to trade him if he believes that the Celtics roster is years away from being a good one, I have a bridge in Brooklyn on the real estate market. For example, let's quickly review the Celtics acquisition of Kevin Garnett from the Wolves. One minute Garnett was saying that Boston had a poor racial climate and he wanted to finish his career in Minnesota. The next he was holding up a Celtic jersey at a press conference. Talk is cheap when reality sets in that you are stuck in a hopeless situation.

  You're probably overstating KG's comments, and Rondo being on the Celts isn't a hopeless situation. That kind of thing occurs when you're on a bad (but not too bad) team with no great tradeable assets or a good cap situation. We're miles from there.

[LarBrd33]

Simmons is an idiot. No way ainge trades all those pickd

  Agree on both counts.

Curious... do you guys hate Simmons' trade idea more... or the one from Zach Harper:

Celtics receive: Kevin Love
Wolves receive: Kelly Olynyk, Jared Sullinger, Brandon Bass, Phil Pressey, Vitor Faverani, Nos. 6 and 17 picks in 2014, Celtics? first-round pick in 2016

Here, the Wolves are basically getting the picks and then a bunch of cap filler and former first-rounders. There?s no reason to pretend Olynyk and Sullinger would be pieces for the Wolves at all. Being a Wolves fan since they've come into the NBA, I am pretty good at recognizing overvalued first-round picks who won?t be as good as you hope they are. This is about the picks, and with Nos. 6, 13 and 17 in this draft, they could load up or move up.