Simmon's Kevin Love to Boston Scenario

[Monkhouse]

If Love isn't sign to a long term contract, then I wouldn't do it..if they trade for Love and he bolt after one season, it will sent this franchise back another 5-7 years

Yeah, this is a big reservation of mine as well.  If the Celtics surrender so many assets for Love (and Asik) and things don't go swimmingly that first season, the Cs could see Rondo, Love, and Asik all leave in free agency. 

The Celtics would be left with a great lot of nothing.  Hope you're ready to suck for the next ten years.

I just don't think Love is the type of player to leave especially if there are hints that he would like to stay.

Obviously if for some reason we don't make the playoffs, and Love is here. I can't see him staying. He has admitted he just wants a new scenery, but I think he meant he would love to enter the playoffs for the first time.

[PhoSita]

If Love isn't sign to a long term contract, then I wouldn't do it..if they trade for Love and he bolt after one season, it will sent this franchise back another 5-7 years

Yeah, this is a big reservation of mine as well.  If the Celtics surrender so many assets for Love (and Asik) and things don't go swimmingly that first season, the Cs could see Rondo, Love, and Asik all leave in free agency. 

The Celtics would be left with a great lot of nothing.  Hope you're ready to suck for the next ten years.

I just don't think Love is the type of player to leave especially if there are hints that he would like to stay.

Obviously if for some reason we don't make the playoffs, and Love is here. I can't see him staying. He has admitted he just wants a new scenery, but I think he meant he would love to enter the playoffs for the first time.

I think he's like every other star in this league.  Unless he's on a glamour team with a bright spotlight, he wants to play with talented teammates who know what they're doing, with an experienced and proven coach and for an organization that isn't incompetent.

 The Celtics offer some of those things, but I don't think Rondo alone would be enough star power to guarantee that he sticks around if things don't come together that first season.

[KamikazeK]

I am pretty sure Love already said he is open to resigning with the C's if DA has a plan.

[PhoSita]

I am pretty sure Love already said he is open to resigning with the C's if DA has a plan.

Open to re-signing means he doesn't hate the team or location so much that he would definitely leave.  It doesn't mean he wouldn't still be interested in exploring free agency.

[BleedGreen1989]

I am pretty sure Love already said he is open to resigning with the C's if DA has a plan.

Open to re-signing means he doesn't hate the team or location so much that he would definitely leave.  It doesn't mean he wouldn't still be interested in exploring free agency.

Yeah, it's certainly a gamble.

Ainge on Toucher and Rich even admitted it was a risk, but he said a risk he would absolutely take (trading for a star in their final contract year).

[Monkhouse]

If Love isn't sign to a long term contract, then I wouldn't do it..if they trade for Love and he bolt after one season, it will sent this franchise back another 5-7 years

Yeah, this is a big reservation of mine as well.  If the Celtics surrender so many assets for Love (and Asik) and things don't go swimmingly that first season, the Cs could see Rondo, Love, and Asik all leave in free agency. 

The Celtics would be left with a great lot of nothing.  Hope you're ready to suck for the next ten years.

I just don't think Love is the type of player to leave especially if there are hints that he would like to stay.

Obviously if for some reason we don't make the playoffs, and Love is here. I can't see him staying. He has admitted he just wants a new scenery, but I think he meant he would love to enter the playoffs for the first time.

I think he's like every other star in this league.  Unless he's on a glamour team with a bright spotlight, he wants to play with talented teammates who know what they're doing, with an experienced and proven coach and for an organization that isn't incompetent.

 The Celtics offer some of those things, but I don't think Rondo alone would be enough star power to guarantee that he sticks around if things don't come together that first season.

Of course, I absolutely agree, if I was in Love's position, I would want to be playing with talented teammates, and a proven organization, and a proven coach.

Brad Stevens isn't exactly that type of coach right now. His first year could be determined by people with different perceptions of success. I thought Brad Stevens did a pretty good job, and got players to play hard for him. There were occasional turnouts with Wallace, Lee, and Bogans, but stuff like that happens in a losing season.

If you believe BOS is a big market team, then BOS should able to give Love the proper media attention that he deserves. Marketing wise, Love being a young superstar in the making, is also going to want to demand some media coverage at least.

The only positive thing is that Rondo is a great pass first point guard who can compliment Love well, and Danny Ainge is a masterful GM. No one expected the 2007 blockbuster trade to occur, and it did. Love to me, just sounds like a guy who's lost too many games, and just wants to try a taste of the playoffs. Love/Asik/Rondo alone should get us in the playoffs in the weak East. After that it depends on what Ainge does.

Personally, I think Ainge is hoping to grab Love, go to the playoffs, and figure out what the team needs to focus on strengths, and weaknesses. What possible roster changes, and trades that he can conjure, and try to go after someone in FA in '15.

[thehumburger]

If Love isn't sign to a long term contract, then I wouldn't do it..if they trade for Love and he bolt after one season, it will sent this franchise back another 5-7 years

Yeah, this is a big reservation of mine as well.  If the Celtics surrender so many assets for Love (and Asik) and things don't go swimmingly that first season, the Cs could see Rondo, Love, and Asik all leave in free agency. 

The Celtics would be left with a great lot of nothing.  Hope you're ready to suck for the next ten years.

I know Ainge has supposedly said that he'd make a trade without the extension, but I find that hard to believe. I think it goes without saying that any major trade necessitates the player sign an extension.

[Smokeeye123]

I am pretty sure Love already said he is open to resigning with the C's if DA has a plan.

No he has not. Closest thing is Love's camp saying 'he wants to play for a winning franchise'. people have based this as meaning that Love would resign here which might not be the case.

[Casperian]

Picasso of the trade machine? More like van Gogh.

That's a lot to give up for Kevin Love. Simmons is really desperate, huh?

[PhoSita]

If Love isn't sign to a long term contract, then I wouldn't do it..if they trade for Love and he bolt after one season, it will sent this franchise back another 5-7 years

Yeah, this is a big reservation of mine as well.  If the Celtics surrender so many assets for Love (and Asik) and things don't go swimmingly that first season, the Cs could see Rondo, Love, and Asik all leave in free agency. 

The Celtics would be left with a great lot of nothing.  Hope you're ready to suck for the next ten years.

I know Ainge has supposedly said that he'd make a trade without the extension, but I find that hard to believe. I think it goes without saying that any major trade necessitates the player sign an extension.

The bare minimum for me is that he agrees to exercise his player option for the 15-16 season, if the Celtics are giving up anything close to the amount of value Simmons has the Celtics giving up.

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Boston Celtics: They have a war chest of assets, including two 2014 picks (no. 6 and no. 17), two 2015 first-rounders (their own and an unprotected Clippers pick), two unprotected Brooklyn first-rounders (2016 and 2018), a pick swap from Brooklyn in 2017 (unprotected), a $10.3 million trade exception, Keith Bogans?s waivable-ASAP contract ($5.1 million, perfect for trade match), Brandon Bass?s deal (expires in 2015) and two decent young players (Jared Sullinger and Kelly Olynyk). They can accommodate ANY Kevin Love trade. Oh, and they have Brad Stevens and one of the league?s most respected organizations, as well as the team that keeps celebrating its players and welcoming them home even after they retire. That too.

The most logical offer: Both 2014 picks, both 2015 picks, Sullinger, Bogans and Bass?s expiring for Love. That?s four first-rounders (including the no. 6 pick). If they pulled it off, they?d have to move quickly on Houston?s Asik, even if it meant taking Jeremy Lin?s contract as the price for Asik ? conceivably, they could absorb Asik with the aforementioned trade exception and absorb Lin?s deal with their cap space ? which helps Houston because they need to dump the Lin/Asik contracts to pursue Carmelo. You tell me: Could you compete in the East with a starting five of Love, Rajon Rondo, Asik, Jeff Green and Free Agent 2-Guard TBA? And could you make the Finals with a Big Three of James Harden, Dwight Howard and Carmelo Anthony? YES AND YES! Let?s do this!

(And if all of this happens, followed by an unhappy Celtics season and Love and Rondo bolting in 2015 to sign with the Lakers and Knicks, respectively, then I?m moving to England and throwing myself into the Premier League. No farewell column, no good-bye party, nothing. I?m out. Nice knowing you.)

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We'd have to keep on of those 4 picks I think. Plus thats a lot of picks considering they are already getting a top 6th, and Sully who is still really young.

Plus the Wolves can't take on too much to soon. They still have a full roster full of long term contracts. It's also the reason why DA will move a pick even if it's over paying a bit.

I'd rather see Sully,Filler, 6th, Clips 2015, and a couple second rounds. Maybe even our 2016, since the Nest may be worse, I'd be a little greedy. But at least if an other team comes and out bids a bit, you could still pull a Nets pick to sweeten the deal. 

[SHAQATTACK]

If Love isn't sign to a long term contract, then I wouldn't do it..if they trade for Love and he bolt after one season, it will sent this franchise back another 5-7 years

Yeah, this is a big reservation of mine as well.  If the Celtics surrender so many assets for Love (and Asik) and things don't go swimmingly that first season, the Cs could see Rondo, Love, and Asik all leave in free agency. 

The Celtics would be left with a great lot of nothing.  Hope you're ready to suck for the next ten years.

Yeah....and Stevens would quit too.   He an't no tanker......he isn't tanking one more year , much less 10 on purpose.   I think when you put those three players together ....it HAS to be under a contract for multiple years ......I don' see how you can trade off all the young players and picks for a one year rental ......with failure resulting in the the coach fleeing too.

Lakers can take chances like this....because they historically can reload at the drop of a hat ......the Celtics would be disaster city for a very long time.

A rental had to be A lot cheaper in terms of assets out.......

[Tr1boy]

Simmons is an idiot. No way ainge trades all those pickd

[CM0]

If Love isn't sign to a long term contract, then I wouldn't do it..if they trade for Love and he bolt after one season, it will sent this franchise back another 5-7 years

Yeah, this is a big reservation of mine as well.  If the Celtics surrender so many assets for Love (and Asik) and things don't go swimmingly that first season, the Cs could see Rondo, Love, and Asik all leave in free agency. 

The Celtics would be left with a great lot of nothing.  Hope you're ready to suck for the next ten years.

Yeah....and Stevens would quit too.   He an't no tanker......he isn't tanking one more year , much less 10 on purpose.   I think when you put those three players together ....it HAS to be under a contract for multiple years ......I don' see how you can trade off all the young players and picks for a one year rental ......with failure resulting in the the coach fleeing too.

Lakers can take chances like this....because they historically can reload at the drop of a hat ......the Celtics would be disaster city for a very long time.

A rental had to be A lot cheaper in terms of assets out.......

This would be the worst trade in Celtics history IMO. Worse than Billups for Anderson. We'd be almost fully negating the enduring awesomeness that is the Brooklyn trade for a moderate upgrade at our current position of greatest strength. We would lose all of our flexibility to arbitrarily become a fringe contender at the absolute wrong time in the rebuild. The Celtics are currently poised to compete for a 6-8 seed next year while filling long-term holes through this draft AND freeing up a TON of salary and making a huge FA splash in 2015. Making that splash even better, we'll have a far clearer picture of our current players and team identity. Making this trade now would leave us at mercy of free agents that would rather live in a warmer climate.

On a more fundamental level: the trade proposed would have the Celtics overpay by about 200% in terms of strict value IMO. The Bogans and Bass contracts are both extremely valuable: Bogans as a trade chip and Bass to free up salary for next year. I wouldn't mind moving next year's picks for Love given that neither would be a lottery pick (in all likelihood), but the Celtics need fresh legs at multiple positions now- regardless of whether or not Love is on the team. Moreover, this proposed trade would rob the Celtics of nearly any asset necessary to obtain a rim-protector to compliment Love, that is unless you want to give away EVEN more pieces.

These Love trades are just a bribe to the wolves for essentially allowing Love to enter FA a year early. It's nonsense, especially when you look at Love's career stats and realize that he was only slightly more productive than Sully at 22 years old. The Celtics are much better off drafting two guys this year, re-signing Bradley, and bringing in an affordable stop-gap rim-protector on the cheap to help this team gel and make the playoffs before big offseason moves in 2015.

[j804]

If Love isn't sign to a long term contract, then I wouldn't do it..if they trade for Love and he bolt after one season, it will sent this franchise back another 5-7 years

Yeah, this is a big reservation of mine as well.  If the Celtics surrender so many assets for Love (and Asik) and things don't go swimmingly that first season, the Cs could see Rondo, Love, and Asik all leave in free agency. 

The Celtics would be left with a great lot of nothing.  Hope you're ready to suck for the next ten years.

Yeah....and Stevens would quit too.   He an't no tanker......he isn't tanking one more year , much less 10 on purpose.   I think when you put those three players together ....it HAS to be under a contract for multiple years ......I don' see how you can trade off all the young players and picks for a one year rental ......with failure resulting in the the coach fleeing too.

Lakers can take chances like this....because they historically can reload at the drop of a hat ......the Celtics would be disaster city for a very long time.

A rental had to be A lot cheaper in terms of assets out.......

This would be the worst trade in Celtics history IMO. Worse than Billups for Anderson. We'd be almost fully negating the enduring awesomeness that is the Brooklyn trade for a moderate upgrade at our current position of greatest strength. We would lose all of our flexibility to arbitrarily become a fringe contender at the absolute wrong time in the rebuild. The Celtics are currently poised to compete for a 6-8 seed next year while filling long-term holes through this draft AND freeing up a TON of salary and making a huge FA splash in 2015. Making that splash even better, we'll have a far clearer picture of our current players and team identity. Making this trade now would leave us at mercy of free agents that would rather live in a warmer climate.

On a more fundamental level: the trade proposed would have the Celtics overpay by about 200% in terms of strict value IMO. The Bogans and Bass contracts are both extremely valuable: Bogans as a trade chip and Bass to free up salary for next year. I wouldn't mind moving next year's picks for Love given that neither would be a lottery pick (in all likelihood), but the Celtics need fresh legs at multiple positions now- regardless of whether or not Love is on the team. Moreover, this proposed trade would rob the Celtics of nearly any asset necessary to obtain a rim-protector to compliment Love, that is unless you want to give away EVEN more pieces.

These Love trades are just a bribe to the wolves for essentially allowing Love to enter FA a year early. It's nonsense, especially when you look at Love's career stats and realize that he was only slightly more productive than Sully at 22 years old. The Celtics are much better off drafting two guys this year, re-signing Bradley, and bringing in an affordable stop-gap rim-protector on the cheap to help this team gel and make the playoffs before big offseason moves in 2015.

I agree with all of this if the price for Love is THAT high as Simmons laid it out, pass. Im hoping Phil gets desperate and we can steal Melo from the Knicks somehow