Simmon's Kevin Love to Boston Scenario

[quidinqui33]

This scenario is actually very close to my dream scenario for this summer except that Simmons gives up one more first round pick than I would like to give up.  I'd like to hold on to this years Brooklyn pick as I think there will be good value at 17.

Giving up next years Boston pick and the Clippers pick should be OK as both would be later in the first round assuming these trades happen and assuming the clips don't implode because something goes wrong with the sale of the team.   

He also forgets to spell out who we would send to Houston for Asik.  Sign and trade Hump, and a second round pick?  Perhaps AB and a pick for Asik?  Perhaps Bass and AB (assuming bass is not involved in Love trade)?

Anyway, article below.

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Boston Celtics: They have a war chest of assets, including two 2014 picks (no. 6 and no. 17), two 2015 first-rounders (their own and an unprotected Clippers pick), two unprotected Brooklyn first-rounders (2016 and 2018), a pick swap from Brooklyn in 2017 (unprotected), a $10.3 million trade exception, Keith Bogans?s waivable-ASAP contract ($5.1 million, perfect for trade match), Brandon Bass?s deal (expires in 2015) and two decent young players (Jared Sullinger and Kelly Olynyk). They can accommodate ANY Kevin Love trade. Oh, and they have Brad Stevens and one of the league?s most respected organizations, as well as the team that keeps celebrating its players and welcoming them home even after they retire. That too.

The most logical offer: Both 2014 picks, both 2015 picks, Sullinger, Bogans and Bass?s expiring for Love. That?s four first-rounders (including the no. 6 pick). If they pulled it off, they?d have to move quickly on Houston?s Asik, even if it meant taking Jeremy Lin?s contract as the price for Asik ? conceivably, they could absorb Asik with the aforementioned trade exception and absorb Lin?s deal with their cap space ? which helps Houston because they need to dump the Lin/Asik contracts to pursue Carmelo. You tell me: Could you compete in the East with a starting five of Love, Rajon Rondo, Asik, Jeff Green and Free Agent 2-Guard TBA? And could you make the Finals with a Big Three of James Harden, Dwight Howard and Carmelo Anthony? YES AND YES! Let?s do this!

(And if all of this happens, followed by an unhappy Celtics season and Love and Rondo bolting in 2015 to sign with the Lakers and Knicks, respectively, then I?m moving to England and throwing myself into the Premier League. No farewell column, no good-bye party, nothing. I?m out. Nice knowing you.)

http://grantland.com/features/the-nba-simmons-self-mailbag/

[Monkhouse]

Don't like post, or trade proposal at all.. 4 picks? Ainge shouldn't trade away the future like that for Love... 2-3 picks should be the max... And 2 honestly should be good enough in my own opinion.

[Roy H.]

conceivably, they could absorb Asik with the aforementioned trade exception and absorb Lin's deal with their cap space

I don't think this is right.  The trade exception counts against our cap space, meaning it's going to be an either/or situation, not both.

Now, we could take on Lin if Minnesota would agree to take on Anthony's salary + filler, rather than Bogans' non-guaranteed deal, with the Celts then flipping Bogans to Houston.

[Smokeeye123]

Is it even possible to trade all our picks in 2014 and 2015? I thought you couldnt go 2 years without a pick (Why teams like the lakers traded every other years picks for Nash)

I know we could have Philadelphia's first if they make the playoffs but that's not certain. No matter what though I'm keeping the Nets picks.

[Irish Stew]

I don't think you can trade all your number one picks in consecutive years.

[knuckleballer]

conceivably, they could absorb Asik with the aforementioned trade exception and absorb Lin's deal with their cap space

I don't think this is right.  The trade exception counts against our cap space, meaning it's going to be an either/or situation, not both.

Now, we could take on Lin if Minnesota would agree to take on Anthony's salary + filler, rather than Bogans' non-guaranteed deal, with the Celts then flipping Bogans to Houston.

Does the 25% rule apply to the trade exception.  I assume it does not, but I'm not sure.  Larry Sanders makes 11.5m and the TE is 10m.  Can we absorb his salary because it is within 25%?

[CelticSooner]

That makes the KG trade in 2007 look pedestrian. Love now still isn't better than KG at 31. Three first rounders is about all I could see Ainge giving up. This year's lottery pick, the Clippers pick, and a Nets pick being most likely.

[CelticSooner]

Is it even possible to trade all our picks in 2014 and 2015? I thought you couldnt go 2 years without a pick (Why teams like the lakers traded every other years picks for Nash)

I don't think you can trade all your number one picks in consecutive years.

The C's could have a handshake agreement in place with Minnesota and select a player then trade the picks after the draft.

[Tr1boy]

That makes the KG trade in 2007 look pedestrian. Love now still isn't better than KG at 31. Three first rounders is about all I could see Ainge giving up. This year's lottery pick, the Clippers pick, and a Nets being most likely.

i agree. The trade exchange should be about th same if Love won't committ to resign.

However the Wolves unless they are overpaid x2 won't give him up. They can wait until the trade deadline and if the wolves are in the playoffs by then maybe Love won't want to go

[Roy H.]

conceivably, they could absorb Asik with the aforementioned trade exception and absorb Lin's deal with their cap space

I don't think this is right.  The trade exception counts against our cap space, meaning it's going to be an either/or situation, not both.

Now, we could take on Lin if Minnesota would agree to take on Anthony's salary + filler, rather than Bogans' non-guaranteed deal, with the Celts then flipping Bogans to Houston.

Does the 25% rule apply to the trade exception.  I assume it does not, but I'm not sure.  Larry Sanders makes 11.5m and the TE is 10m.  Can we absorb his salary because it is within 25%?

Nope.  You can add $100k to the trade exception, but that's it.

[Lucky17]

I don't think you can trade all your number one picks in consecutive years.

As long as you own one pick, and not necessarily your own.

Boston has five picks between 2014 and 2015: both of its own picks, a 2014 1st from Brooklyn, a 2015 pick from the Clippers, and a 2015 pick from Philadelphia that is protected for picks 1-14.

The protection on the Philly pick leads me to believe that it cannot be counted in hand. So I don't think the Celtics could part with all four of the other four 1sts.

But they could part with the Philly pick and three of the other 1sts.

[Roy H.]

Is it even possible to trade all our picks in 2014 and 2015? I thought you couldnt go 2 years without a pick (Why teams like the lakers traded every other years picks for Nash)

I don't think you can trade all your number one picks in consecutive years.

The C's could have a handshake agreement in place with Minnesota and select a player then trade the picks after the draft.

Yeah, so long as it was done on draft night, it would be a legal deal.  The Celts would just select for the Twolves.  Those type of arrangements are fairly typical.

[Birdman]

If Love isn't sign to a long term contract, then I wouldn't do it..if they trade for Love and he bolt after one season, it will sent this franchise back another 5-7 years

[PhoSita]

If Love isn't sign to a long term contract, then I wouldn't do it..if they trade for Love and he bolt after one season, it will sent this franchise back another 5-7 years

Yeah, this is a big reservation of mine as well.  If the Celtics surrender so many assets for Love (and Asik) and things don't go swimmingly that first season, the Cs could see Rondo, Love, and Asik all leave in free agency. 

The Celtics would be left with a great lot of nothing.  Hope you're ready to suck for the next ten years.

[BballTim]

If Love isn't sign to a long term contract, then I wouldn't do it..if they trade for Love and he bolt after one season, it will sent this franchise back another 5-7 years

Yeah, this is a big reservation of mine as well.  If the Celtics surrender so many assets for Love (and Asik) and things don't go swimmingly that first season, the Cs could see Rondo, Love, and Asik all leave in free agency. 

The Celtics would be left with a great lot of nothing.  Hope you're ready to suck for the next ten years.

  Pure heaven for all the tankers in the crowd though.